Roster question?

[Weave]

5 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

This is good to hear, but it would leave the question as to who plays center? We're left with McLeod who is really a 3C as top center. That's not going to work either. 

(which also  takes us back to Adams trading away Mitts)

And this is why keeping Kozak up and sitting Cozens makes no sense.

[PerreaultForever]

8 hours ago, Weave said:

And this is why keeping Kozak up and sitting Cozens makes no sense.

So no matter how bad he plays, Cozens always gets to play. Is that a good plan?

[Weave]

11 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

So no matter how bad he plays, Cozens always gets to play. Is that a good plan?

No, but when the team has no reasonable Option becuase their is no depth, replacing him with a kid not ready doesn’t do anyone any good.

Edited December 11 by Weave

[PerreaultForever]

Just now, Weave said:

No, but when the team has no reasonable Option becuase their is no depth, replacing him with a kid not ready doesn’t do anyone any good.

Well we're not going to agree but you can't just let it go. You have to do something. 

I don't have an answer to fixing this. I'm not sure it's fixable. I could fix it all if I was GM and had carte blanche and a full cap limit but I think many people here feel they could do that too. We might be right, we might be wrong. Adams certainly hasn't done it right. 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well we're not going to agree but you can't just let it go. You have to do something. 

I don't have an answer to fixing this. I'm not sure it's fixable. I could fix it all if I was GM and had carte blanche and a full cap limit but I think many people here feel they could do that too. We might be right, we might be wrong. Adams certainly hasn't done it right. 

I get the sentiment but the Sabres had to return either Kozak or Johnson to Rochester right if they wanted to activate Samuelsson from IR.

With them not being entirely certain on Samuelsson returning from injury I think they opted to retain Johnson for insurance.

If Samuelsson was still a few more games away from returning then perhaps they retain Kozak.  If they play Kozak then they'd have to choose between Quinn, Kulich, and Cozens on who would be scratched.  Do you put McLeod at 2nd C and put Kulich at 3C?  Maybe?

Ultimately it didn't matter because Johnson gave them the flexibility on defense covering for Samuelsson in case he could not go and another member of the D suffered an injury or illness unexpectedly.

 

 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, LTS said:

I get the sentiment but the Sabres had to return either Kozak or Johnson to Rochester right if they wanted to activate Samuelsson from IR.

With them not being entirely certain on Samuelsson returning from injury I think they opted to retain Johnson for insurance.

If Samuelsson was still a few more games away from returning then perhaps they retain Kozak.  If they play Kozak then they'd have to choose between Quinn, Kulich, and Cozens on who would be scratched.  Do you put McLeod at 2nd C and put Kulich at 3C?  Maybe?

Ultimately it didn't matter because Johnson gave them the flexibility on defense covering for Samuelsson in case he could not go and another member of the D suffered an injury or illness unexpectedly.

 

 

Send Johnson down. He was garbage. Gilbert gave us more (despite his limitations). 

[Crusader1969]

Talking about roster - Without Dahlin in the lineup, is there a worse defensive core than the Sabres ?  The Sharks perhaps?  
 

[SABRES 0311]

I think Cozens gets traded. We get less value in return do as not to eat any of his contract.

10 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Send Johnson down. He was garbage. Gilbert gave us more (despite his limitations). 

Or sit Muel because he sucks. 

[North Buffalo]

So time to blow this team up again... trade Muel, Cozens and maybe Power... and Adams

[LTS]

19 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Send Johnson down. He was garbage. Gilbert gave us more (despite his limitations). 

Yes.. I agree Gilbert should be in the lineup, but it still only left 6 healthy defense on the roster. That's why they kept Johnson, whether he played or not. It was to have an extra defense on the roster to protect against a last minute injury or illness.  It's happened where players get injured during warmups or fall ill before the game. If they don't have Johnson they are only dressing 5 D and then 13 forwards.

 

[PerreaultForever]

8 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I think Cozens gets traded. We get less value in return do as not to eat any of his contract.

Or sit Muel because he sucks. 

True. There are multiple candidates who are not performing up to their contracts and since we don't have a wealth of veterans or NHL ready replacements in Rochester there are few viable options. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 minutes ago, LTS said:

Yes.. I agree Gilbert should be in the lineup, but it still only left 6 healthy defense on the roster. That's why they kept Johnson, whether he played or not. It was to have an extra defense on the roster to protect against a last minute injury or illness.  It's happened where players get injured during warmups or fall ill before the game. If they don't have Johnson they are only dressing 5 D and then 13 forwards.

 

Well that's why he can be called up but he didn't have to play. Honestly I think I'd rather go with Clague. 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well that's why he can be called up but he didn't have to play. Honestly I think I'd rather go with Clague. 

Yes, he can be called up. But not always on game day. That's my point. If the Sabres have 6 healthy defense on the roster and Gilbert takes a puck to the head in warmups, what do they do? That's the factoring that goes into why Johnson stayed up and Kozak went down.

I also think they want to see what they have in Johnson before they make a trade. Is he ready to be depended on to fill Jokiharju's skates?  We all know Jokiharju will be traded this season at some point.

 

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, LTS said:

Yes, he can be called up. But not always on game day. That's my point. If the Sabres have 6 healthy defense on the roster and Gilbert takes a puck to the head in warmups, what do they do? That's the factoring that goes into why Johnson stayed up and Kozak went down.

I also think they want to see what they have in Johnson before they make a trade. Is he ready to be depended on to fill Jokiharju's skates?  We all know Jokiharju will be traded this season at some point.

 

Only if we eat salary and I doubt we do that. More likely we just let him walk end of the year. Just like VO. 

[Carmel Corn]

39 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Only if we eat salary and I doubt we do that. More likely we just let him walk end of the year. Just like VO. 

IMHO - he’s a right hand shot D-man, so he will have some trade value.  If GMKA doesn’t trade him at the deadline, then I consider that to be another failure on his part.  I’m not saying you’re wrong….after all, we are talking about GMKA here.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

IMHO - he’s a right hand shot D-man, so he will have some trade value.  If GMKA doesn’t trade him at the deadline, then I consider that to be another failure on his part.  I’m not saying you’re wrong….after all, we are talking about GMKA here.

I just don't see him being in high demand. Not the kind of guy teams load up on for the playoffs so why trade for a guy who will be a free agent if he's not a playoff guy?

[LTS]

17 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Only if we eat salary and I doubt we do that. More likely we just let him walk end of the year. Just like VO. 

I think they'll eat salary.. it's not like they are using it for anything else. 🙂

13 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I just don't see him being in high demand. Not the kind of guy teams load up on for the playoffs so why trade for a guy who will be a free agent if he's not a playoff guy?

Perhaps, but then as we continually lament, players from the Sabres roster perform better once they are out of Buffalo. No reason to think he won't. Hell, the joke is that acquiring a Sabres player helps you win the Cup, so using that logic he should be in high demand.

I think he'll get traded.. it might not happen, but I think they'll do whatever they can to move out UFAs.

[mjd1001]

20 hours ago, LTS said:

Yes, he can be called up. But not always on game day. That's my point. If the Sabres have 6 healthy defense on the roster and Gilbert takes a puck to the head in warmups, what do they do? That's the factoring that goes into why Johnson stayed up and Kozak went down.

I also think they want to see what they have in Johnson before they make a trade. Is he ready to be depended on to fill Jokiharju's skates?  We all know Jokiharju will be traded this season at some point.

 

Just how do we all "Know that"?  Just because some fans, some posters on this forum want it, doesn't mean is something that will happen let alone we all know it will happen.

Maybe he's not what we all want, but one of the few ways we can look into how the coaches and organization value a player is their usage.

Dahlin, Power, and Byrum are the top 3 guys, we know that. So after that, you have Jokiharju, Clifton, Bryson, Samelsson...and I guess Gilbert but he has played in only 1/3 of the games. Of all those guys, Jokiharju gets the most ice time.

Hes at the end of his deal so you aren't getting much for him, and thus you certainly aren't showcasing him. But, at least in the coaches eyes, he's the best, the most useful of anyone in not in the top 3.  I don't see how that equates to "we all know he is going to be traded".

If you have an 'asset' that is likely to get you very little on the open market, but yet you USE it more than the other options you have in the bottom 4...I'm not trading that unless /until they are obviously 'sellers' near the deadline.

[LTS]

46 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Just how do we all "Know that"?  Just because some fans, some posters on this forum want it, doesn't mean is something that will happen let alone we all know it will happen.

Maybe he's not what we all want, but one of the few ways we can look into how the coaches and organization value a player is their usage.

Dahlin, Power, and Byrum are the top 3 guys, we know that. So after that, you have Jokiharju, Clifton, Bryson, Samelsson...and I guess Gilbert but he has played in only 1/3 of the games. Of all those guys, Jokiharju gets the most ice time.

Hes at the end of his deal so you aren't getting much for him, and thus you certainly aren't showcasing him. But, at least in the coaches eyes, he's the best, the most useful of anyone in not in the top 3.  I don't see how that equates to "we all know he is going to be traded".

If you have an 'asset' that is likely to get you very little on the open market, but yet you USE it more than the other options you have in the bottom 4...I'm not trading that unless /until they are obviously 'sellers' near the deadline.

I feel like you are making the case here. He's the 4th most used defense player on this team. He's on an expiring contract. I'm not establishing value, just that he'll be moved.

The Sabres gave him a 1 year deal to get him to UFA status. I don't think they did this with the intention of keeping him longer. This is even more reason he will be traded. He may be traded as part of a package deal, which I would expect actually.

I believe he'll be packaged with a rostered forward and perhaps even a pick to obtain a difference making player for this team. Notice I am not saying that "we all know that".

The Sabres are already sellers. Who on here believes this roster is going to make the playoffs? Either they make moves now or they make moves later, but they're going to have to make moves.

[ska-T Palmtown]

47 minutes ago, LTS said:

I feel like you are making the case here. He's the 4th most used defense player on this team. He's on an expiring contract. I'm not establishing value, just that he'll be moved.

The Sabres gave him a 1 year deal to get him to UFA status. I don't think they did this with the intention of keeping him longer. This is even more reason he will be traded. He may be traded as part of a package deal, which I would expect actually.

I believe he'll be packaged with a rostered forward and perhaps even a pick to obtain a difference making player for this team. Notice I am not saying that "we all know that".

The Sabres are already sellers. Who on here believes this roster is going to make the playoffs? Either they make moves now or they make moves later, but they're going to have to make moves.

I would not be shocked at all if his agent refused to even TALK about wasting a single UFA year in the current hockey hellhole known as Buffalo. He has probably been telling Joker since he arrived "I'll get you out. There will be a file in the cake!" With little-to-no prospect of resigning him, unless they are in a playoff spot come trade deadline, I'd wager he is out of here.

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, LTS said:

I think they'll eat salary.. it's not like they are using it for anything else. 🙂

Perhaps, but then as we continually lament, players from the Sabres roster perform better once they are out of Buffalo. No reason to think he won't. Hell, the joke is that acquiring a Sabres player helps you win the Cup, so using that logic he should be in high demand.

I think he'll get traded.. it might not happen, but I think they'll do whatever they can to move out UFAs.

It's possible. I won't argue that. I just think a soft D man like him won't be in demand for the playoffs. Don't worry though, we will get a middle level pick for Clifton next year 🙂