Hockey Heaven!

[JohnC]

7 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

yes and no. You make a trade when a trade possibility presents itself that makes your team better. 

Would anyone disagree that the 2nd line isn't good enough? Would anyone argue that we are fine waiting for Samuelson to heal and we couldn't use a solid defensive D man (a Gilbert, but a better than Gilbert one). I think 90% or more of the people here would agree with that, so if you can make a deal that doesn't create a new hole in your roster to fix those issues you make your team better and you increase your chances of making the playoffs. 

So if the Rangers are looking to make a move you have to look at it and try to make something happen. If the price is too high of course you say no thank you, but we do have the assets to afford an immediate overpay, as long as it makes us better. 

What conjectural proposal are you suggesting? 

[Pimlach]

On 11/20/2024 at 8:09 AM, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Buffalo needs Joki to play well now that he is back in the lineup. If he does, that gives KA a piece that is tradable. There are more than a few teams looking for a decent dman. Joki has it in him to be just that! You have to give to get and have that serviceable defenseman can help him get what this team needs! 

They need 2C (assume Cozens goes to wing or) or a top 6 winger (Assume Cozens stays at C).   They also need 4D (assume Muel is moved to 3rd pair or gone). 

Trading Joki is just a piece of whatever multi-player deal brings in one of those players.  

[Pimlach]

On 11/19/2024 at 2:14 PM, PerreaultForever said:

They say we will get a "bomb cyclone" where I live tonight. When did weather get this dramatic? It's going to be windy. 

Bomb Cyclone would be a good nickname for something in hockey though. Like the Surge. We need a BOMB CYCLONE!

Weather on TV is nutso. The national media makes all weather events cataclysmic.  

In another News Flash - airports are crowded for Thanksgiving and Christmas travel.  This is headline news every year on mainstream media.  Long lines and delays at airports -  imagine that?  Meanwhile they sell stories that airlines are not making any money, and we get to see people wearing their pajamas while on airplanes, and fighting with other people because "they know their rights".  

Edited November 27 by Pimlach

[DarthEbriate]

58 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Weather on TV is nutso. The national media makes all weather events cataclysmic.  

True that; we need our sensationalism.

That said, this was a 900-mile diameter storm front with 10+" of rain in California/Oregon, and then very little rain but consistent 60-90 mph wind gusts from Washington up Vancouver Island. I noted it in an earlier post, just call it a category 1 cyclone so everyone knows what it is, because the bomb part just means a specific parameter and isn't necessary.

One neat thing about the cyclone: it spawned a baby cyclone in its wake. Much as when you draw an oar through the water and get 2 or 3 whirlpools. The "bomb" cyclone created a baby, then it looped around to the north and back out west into the Pacific as the baby (low-pressure spinner, nothing to worry about) added more rain showers as it brushed the coast. There were two cyclone eddies side-by-side a few days after the bomb initially struck.

[Weave]

20 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

True that; we need our sensationalism.

That said, this was a 900-mile diameter storm front with 10+" of rain in California/Oregon, and then very little rain but consistent 60-90 mph wind gusts from Washington up Vancouver Island. I noted it in an earlier post, just call it a category 1 cyclone so everyone knows what it is, because the bomb part just means a specific parameter and isn't necessary.

One neat thing about the cyclone: it spawned a baby cyclone in its wake. Much as when you draw an oar through the water and get 2 or 3 whirlpools. The "bomb" cyclone created a baby, then it looped around to the north and back out west into the Pacific as the baby (low-pressure spinner, nothing to worry about) added more rain showers as it brushed the coast. There were two cyclone eddies side-by-side a few days after the bomb initially struck.

The media didn’t coin the term bomb cyclone.  Meteorologists did.  In the 1940s. The media is just repeating what meteorologists are telling them.  It’s not sensationalism, it is a description of a weather phenomenon.

[Big Guava]

Maybe Adams has been listening to some Wiz Khalifa "Black and Yellow"...

 

"Anything I do...I do it big..."

[Thorner]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

yes and no. You make a trade when a trade possibility presents itself that makes your team better. 

Would anyone disagree that the 2nd line isn't good enough? Would anyone argue that we are fine waiting for Samuelson to heal and we couldn't use a solid defensive D man (a Gilbert, but a better than Gilbert one). I think 90% or more of the people here would agree with that, so if you can make a deal that doesn't create a new hole in your roster to fix those issues you make your team better and you increase your chances of making the playoffs. 

So if the Rangers are looking to make a move you have to look at it and try to make something happen. If the price is too high of course you say no thank you, but we do have the assets to afford an immediate overpay, as long as it makes us better. 

Everyone is saying the same thing tbh. There isn’t a single poster suggesting the team make a trade they feel is bad “just to do it”. The entire thing is arguing a straw man 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, JohnC said:

What conjectural proposal are you suggesting? 

Already laid that out but I'd be open to moving ANY prospects or picks that are currently in Rochester or not on the current roster. I'd also be open to moving any fringe player if needed (depending on the return). I'm simply not content to hope that Quinn eventually gets it together and leaps up to Peterka's level. There are weak spots on this roster and since we have the assets and cap space I want to address those weak spots and become a truly good team now. Not later. 

3 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Everyone is saying the same thing tbh. There isn’t a single poster suggesting the team make a trade they feel is bad “just to do it”. The entire thing is arguing a straw man 

No, I think there's still a disagreement on staying the course and sticking with the plan vs. do something now to take the leap. It becomes a question of degree and how much people value various players or not. 

[Thorner]

6 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Already laid that out but I'd be open to moving ANY prospects or picks that are currently in Rochester or not on the current roster. I'd also be open to moving any fringe player if needed (depending on the return). I'm simply not content to hope that Quinn eventually gets it together and leaps up to Peterka's level. There are weak spots on this roster and since we have the assets and cap space I want to address those weak spots and become a truly good team now. Not later. 

No, I think there's still a disagreement on staying the course and sticking with the plan vs. do something now to take the leap. It becomes a question of degree and how much people value various players or not. 

Exactly. Varying degrees. The post you responded to’s thesis was “you make a trade when there’s a good trade”. I mean, ya. No one is arguing otherwise. The disagreement stems from what you said: disagreements on the evaluations. Ie “what’s a good trade?” 

Edited November 27 by Thorner

[PerreaultForever]

3 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Exactly. Varying degrees. The post you responded to’s thesis was “you make a trade when there’s a good trade”. I mean, ya. No one is arguing otherwise. The disagreement stems from what you said: disagreements on the evaluations. Ie “what’s a good trade?” 

That's fair. Plus the timeline and the level of the fan's impatience. 

I would suspect some of the younger guys are more patient and see a longer plan as okay but some of us older guys are just getting desperate for a return of what we grew up with. 

[Thorner]

Just now, PerreaultForever said:

That's fair. Plus the timeline and the level of the fan's impatience. 

I would suspect some of the younger guys are more patient and see a longer plan as okay but some of us older guys are just getting desperate for a return of what we grew up with. 

We are basically in Children of Men territory, now. Diego is gone; there’s no one young left

[LabattBlue]

Back to the front burner. I am sure Terry has some good ideas.  

[JP51]

On 11/14/2024 at 12:55 AM, GASabresIUFAN said:

He is probably going to trade for Tyler Myers.  Can't get bigger then him.

So we can have to gigantic D men whose nicknames should be Casper.

Please no trades... the last person I want with control over our meager assets is this regime. 

[steveoat87]

Kevyn has to go.  He has no sense of urgency while the season may be slipping away.  I hope Lindy gets in his face and reads him the riot act.  He should learn from Brandon Beane -- when the Bills needed a speedy wide receiver they wasted no type in getting Amari Cooper.  This is pathetic.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Terry you have driven this franchise into the ground.  Do yourself and the city and the fans a favor fire your Yes-Man Adams and sell the team.   Give a willing owner the chance to hire competent management to fix this team.  There is actually enough here to build from, but you and Adams are not the men for the job.

The sad thing is that there is a core of something that could work, but the team is so mismanaged and the roster so poorly constructed the puzzle pieces will never work without a fresh look

This is what we really have 

????? Tage Tuch

Benson ????? JJP

Quinn ?????  Greenway

?????? McLeod ??????  

 

Dahlin  ??????

Byram ??????

??????  ?????

 

UPL

??????

To make this work Power, Cozens, Byrson, Joki, Krebs, Samuelsson, and Clifton all need to go.  I like Zucker and I'd keep him until the deadline, trade him and then bring him back on another one year smaller deal.  We need two playmakers hopefully at center.  We need partners with a bent toward defensive play for Dahlin and Byram.  We also need our D to be tougher and more physical.  

Edited December 4 by GASabresIUFAN

[Kristian]

I only read “sell the team” and hit the like button. That’s enough for me.

[Wyldnwoody44]

I was yelling some fun, distasteful things on the way out.... Mostly about Kevyn and Terry. 

[PerreaultForever]

I agree but there's an easier fix. Elevate Ruff to director of all hockey operations (so above Adams) with full control and move down to Florida and just count your cash Terry. 

But ya, Terry gone is what i have wanted for a long time. 

[zow2]

I've wanted Terry to sell the team for over 4 years now.  Any new owner would come in and accidently fall into better hires and player performances than what Terry has done.   

[JP51]

The level of incompetence and disdain literally knows no bounds. 

[Stoner]

21 minutes ago, JP51 said:

The level of incompetence and disdain literally knows no bounds. 

Disdain rings true with me. The owner simply doesn't speak to the fans. If I had to guess I'd say getting booed on RJ night was some version of marital irreconcilable differences.

[Carmel Corn]

Selling the team means moving the team as well…..which may seem like the lesser of the evils after last night’s embarrassment.

[mjd1001]

I have argued with many that I think the problem is more Pegula than Adams or any other GM.  We can go back and forth on who is the biggest problem all day.

But yeah, I think MOST (not all but most) will accept that Pegula is at least some sort of problem.  It just feels like, and over a decade of missing the playoffs seems to confirm...that this team is in need a a major reset. A reset bigger than trading any few players can bring. A reset bigger than bringing in a new GM can bring.  It needs all of that and probably more (Pegula).

This thought enters my mind quite a bit:  Selling the team means moving the team.  Yeah, I can see that as a possibility.  But, just how crazy would it be that the day a new owner took over, and said he would make this 'hockey heaven', and that the 'sole reason for the existence' of the team was to win the cup, and that money wouldn't be an object 'I'll drill another well'....just how Ironic would it be that it would be THAT guy who said THOSE thing that immediately put the team on the road and drove the car himself... to no longer being in Buffalo?

[JP51]

57 minutes ago, Stoner said:

Disdain rings true with me. The owner simply doesn't speak to the fans. If I had to guess I'd say getting booed on RJ night was some version of marital irreconcilable differences.

We may be way off and too self focused... but It certainly feels like there is utter disdain for Sabre fans and its personal coming from this disorganization. 

[EM88]

As with many others, I do not see how things change with Pegula at the top. Even if he fires everyone below him, it will be him picking their replacements.

I have zero confidence he will pick people who are great at the job they do, rather than pick people who make him feel 'warm and fuzzy' and comfortable around them.