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4 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

 

Pegula bought failing Franchises and one good one, The Bandits! Paid roughly 1.6 Billion in money. They are now worth over 3 Billion!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Bills a new $2 Billion Stadium being built here in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Apparently Math and Google searches aren’t your strong suit either.  The Bills are valued at $5.35B and the Sabres $1.15B. So yeah, a little more than $3B.  

[LabattBlue]

[ASlugAbove]

6 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

What have you ever done in your life????

 

Pegula bought failing Franchises and one good one, The Bandits! Paid roughly 1.6 Billion in money. They are now worth over 3 Billion!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Bills a new $2 Billion Stadium being built here in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Turned Bills into Perennial Playoff Contenders. Got us probably the most gifted QB ever to play the game!!!!!!!!!!!!  He paid him as such too.

Kept the Bandits Winners and Champions.

Made Amerks one of the Top 5 AHL teams every year and a Very good source of qualified AHLers. Noted as Top most talented AHL Team

His daughter, not super athletic, got the best training from her Dad that money can buy and is Top 5 in Woman's Tennis

 

How about you?

What a sad take. Bcuz he’s had super successful lucky life we should ignore his faults as our owner? God boot lick more 

[Broken Ankles]

[Mango]

9 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

its not just Adams, its the entire front office plus Pegula.  He doesn't make a decision without input from the entire front office (Karmanos, Ventura, Jakubowski, and others) and he doesn't pull the trigger on anything (anything big at least) without running it by Pegula.

Firing Adams fixing NOTHING unless/until Pegula changes the structure of how the front office is run, and all the guys below Adams not only do not get promoted, but are gone also because they are the ones giving him input.

I cannot fathom the constant cries of "Fire Adams" unless you follow it up with the structure, and all other guys around him, going also.

Th egg should go the Bills route and hire a tandem from another org.

Let Lindy grab somebody from the FO and an assistant from NJ and let’s get this thing moving. 

[SABRES 0311]

6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

So rebuild. Maybe we can tank? <ducks>

I don’t want to say rebuild. I will say this. Not every player, regardless of individual talents, is the right fit for a team. Power as an example is a talented player. I’m sure he will have a successful career. I do not see how he is the kind of player this team needs right now. 

We’re sick of being a young team.
We’re sick of the lack of physicality. We’re sick of underperforming players.

Power, Cozens, and Quinn are all of that. So why not try upgrading the team with them as trade pieces?

Do people really think those three are bright spots? 😂 

[Mango]

7 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

What have you ever done in your life????

 

Pegula bought failing Franchises and one good one, The Bandits! Paid roughly 1.6 Billion in money. They are now worth over 3 Billion!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Bills a new $2 Billion Stadium being built here in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Turned Bills into Perennial Playoff Contenders. Got us probably the most gifted QB ever to play the game!!!!!!!!!!!!  He paid him as such too.

Kept the Bandits Winners and Champions.

Made Amerks one of the Top 5 AHL teams every year and a Very good source of qualified AHLers. Noted as Top most talented AHL Team

His daughter, not super athletic, got the best training from her Dad that money can buy and is Top 5 in Woman's Tennis

 

How about you?

Question, if McBeane and Allen walked away, do you trust Pegula to rebuild the franchise?

I would bet my mortgage and 401k on no and I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep. 

We saw Pegula sans McBeane at OBD and it operated A LOT like the entire history of the Sabres under Terry. 

McBeane are a perfect example of a broken clock is right twice per day. 

Terry Pegula single-handedly ruined NHL hockey in Buffalo. 

Take the “what have you done?” BS and shove it up your….

[SABRES 0311]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

Question, if McBeane and Allen walked away, do you trust Pegula to rebuild the franchise?

I would bet my mortgage and 401k on no and I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep. 

We saw Pegula sans McBeane at OBD and it operated A LOT like the entire history of the Sabres under Terry. 

McBeane are a perfect example of a broken clock is right twice per day. 

Terry Pegula single-handedly ruined NHL hockey in Buffalo. 

Take the “what have you done?” BS and shove it up your….

I agree. This goofy $h!T about KA talking to TP daily is weak sauce. TP needs to know his role and shut his damn mouth.

[Mango]

6 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

Prove he has interfered!!!!!!!!!!!!   If I was Pegula I who sue you for Defamation of Character and make you prove your Statement.

 

One fan that thinks you're WAY off. Think your purposely trying to get fan base to turn against and hurt the value so he has to sell, TRUE????????

 

 

 

 

 

 

SARC

Im glad your mom made space for you to stay in her basement. 

[Cranky old man]

The issue here is the continued failure of this franchise. This gm was hand picked and trained on the job, and after 4.5 years he’s no further along. New players, another coach; same story. So we are left to aim our rage at ownership who can’t seem to get it right and is spending under the cap every year. The nhl is watered down so almost everyone can get back to the playoffs and still Buffalo fails. Considering the waves of cost cutting inflicted on the organizations’ staff, scouting, and operations since the Pegulas took over, one can see that on ice performance is second to real estate, downtown development and the Buffalo Bills. TP kept the Sabres here and for that I am grateful. The hard truth is, the Sabres are run like Walmart, which is a fine retailer, but it will never be confused with Harrods. Until ownership is $$$$$committed we will continue to flounder. Soft on ice, soft in the owners box. Mooey gooey.

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I don’t want to say rebuild. I will say this. Not every player, regardless of individual talents, is the right fit for a team. Power as an example is a talented player. I’m sure he will have a successful career. I do not see how he is the kind of player this team needs right now. 

We’re sick of being a young team.
We’re sick of the lack of physicality. We’re sick of underperforming players.

Power, Cozens, and Quinn are all of that. So why not try upgrading the team with them as trade pieces?

Do people really think those three are bright spots? 😂 

Nope, they are most definitely a big part of the problem. I'm not sure there's a way to move them and make the team better in the process though. You certainly don't want to move people for even more picks and prospects. 

Philly wants a center for Michkov. Would they take Cozens? idk. Doubt it. Not if Torts sees the game video and has a say. 

Maybe Anaheim would take Power. They could use an offensive guy to pair with Trouba (see what I did there? )

Quinn is only going to some rebuild team like Chicago who might take a chance. 

[SABRES 0311]

14 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Nope, they are most definitely a big part of the problem. I'm not sure there's a way to move them and make the team better in the process though. You certainly don't want to move people for even more picks and prospects. 

Philly wants a center for Michkov. Would they take Cozens? idk. Doubt it. Not if Torts sees the game video and has a say. 

Maybe Anaheim would take Power. They could use an offensive guy to pair with Trouba (see what I did there? )

Quinn is only going to some rebuild team like Chicago who might take a chance. 

Hell man, send KA an email because I doubt he sees the possibilities. He’ll have to check with TP though. Might just want to CC him.

[Kristian]

1 hour ago, SABRES 0311 said:

I don’t want to say rebuild. I will say this. Not every player, regardless of individual talents, is the right fit for a team. Power as an example is a talented player. I’m sure he will have a successful career. I do not see how he is the kind of player this team needs right now. 

We’re sick of being a young team.
We’re sick of the lack of physicality. We’re sick of underperforming players.

Power, Cozens, and Quinn are all of that. So why not try upgrading the team with them as trade pieces?

Do people really think those three are bright spots? 😂 

Because two of them are straddled with insane contracts. Both Cozens and Power are virtually untradeable, with the deals we gave them.

And because Pegula wants them here. Anyone else wonder why Cozens isn’t in the stands watching yet? There’s you answer - The meddling owner.

Kevyn is not in charge of the top-6, I guarantee you Pegula is.

Edited December 8 by Kristian

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

What have you ever done in your life????

 

Pegula bought failing Franchises and one good one, The Bandits! Paid roughly 1.6 Billion in money. They are now worth over 3 Billion!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Bills a new $2 Billion Stadium being built here in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Turned Bills into Perennial Playoff Contenders. Got us probably the most gifted QB ever to play the game!!!!!!!!!!!!  He paid him as such too.

Kept the Bandits Winners and Champions.

Made Amerks one of the Top 5 AHL teams every year and a Very good source of qualified AHLers. Noted as Top most talented AHL Team

His daughter, not super athletic, got the best training from her Dad that money can buy and is Top 5 in Woman's Tennis

 

How about you?

 

Who cares about the obscene increases in valuations of the Buff sports franchises Pegula purchased? That benefits none of us in any way. Congrats to him on getting even richer. The Sabres are still a bare bones joke of an NHL organization. Crazy that they were his passion project, and yet their organizational spending has been SO restricted especially in recent years. Almost like it's now just a business, and one that is NOT succeeding. Gotta invest in the bizz and remove himself by at least one executive layer, if he wants to turn things around. 

[LabattBlue]

14 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Why do people think owners hold PCs? They don’t and Terry speaking would be a bigger disaster than Adams.

I said interviewed or press conference. 😉

[JustOneParade]

Something I really need to get off my chest and this is probably the best place to do it. It’s regarding the $$ allocated to the roster. One of two things must be true. KA has repeatedly said TP has put no restraints on him (no internal cap) and KA has chosen not to utilize the $$. Or TP has instituted an internal cap. If the first is true then KA should be fired for doing nothing with the cap space to help this roster. If the second is true then TP is letting KA stand up and lie about what’s happening and is knowingly letting KA absorb the slings and arrows on his behalf while remaining silent. As the leader that’s about as gutless a move one can make.

[French Collection]

5 minutes ago, JustOneParade said:

Something I really need to get off my chest and this is probably the best place to do it. It’s regarding the $$ allocated to the roster. One of two things must be true. KA has repeatedly said TP has put no restraints on him (no internal cap) and KA has chosen not to utilize the $$. Or TP has instituted an internal cap. If the first is true then KA should be fired for doing nothing with the cap space to help this roster. If the second is true then TP is letting KA stand up and lie about what’s happening and is knowingly letting KA absorb the slings and arrows on his behalf while remaining silent. As the leader that’s about as gutless a move one can make.

He has never weaponized cap space. In the early days of the rebuild he did not take on contracts or act as a third party in trades that could have netted more of those “precious” draft picks. That has got to be TP not wanting to spend actual $$.

[Pimlach]

17 hours ago, EM88 said:

Ruff is really the only new voice in the room.

All the other guys, Karmanos, Venture, all of them. They all have had input into the current roster and they way things are done here.

The only voice in the room I would trust maybe is Ruff.  Keep any of those other guys and you may as well keep Adams also.

Ruff is not a GM.  He knows the game, he knows players, etc,  but he has no contracts experience.  He may be strategic, we don’t know,but the inner details of a general manager are not his strength.  

I think Karmanos would be better than Adams  or Ruff. 
 

[GoPuckYourself]

On 12/4/2024 at 10:00 AM, EM88 said:

He lucked into a coach/GM combo, through no skill of his own.

Remember the Rex Ryan fiasco? Obviously he wasn't a good coach for the team, but it was the Pegula's who wanted him after talking to him in person a few times. That wasn't a hire that 'football people' suggested to him.  Pegula (or the Pegulas), seem to run their teams like fans, but not even well educated fans, they run their team like 14-year-old boy fans.

Also, getting one of the top 5 players in the league helps.  Take Josh Allen off the Bills and they are a middling team probably not making the playoffs, just like the Sabres. On the other side, add one of the top 5 players in the NHL to the Sabres (McDavid, Matthews, Kucheroff, McKinnon) and they are likely a much better team.

-I have always thought in Football, the game is more complex and there are more 'layers' between the owner and the roster. Roster construction is more complex. Ther are more players to choose and contribute to the roster, and there are more bodies between the players and the owner.   In the NHL, when your roster is basically 15-20 important pieces, and maybe 2-3 of your top 20 pieces change out each year, an owner who wants to be involved can have a MUCH greater impact.  In the NFL, you have 40 important pieces, and many more of those change out each year. An owner who spends 20 hours a month in personal meetings or sitting next to and talking to the GM is simply going to have less of an impact on the roster and staff. There are too many people and not enough time to mess things up.  In hockey, smaller rosters, smaller coaching staffs, making it simply a lot easier for a bad owner to mess things up more quickly.

I just don't believe this to be true at all, so everything they've done right is dumb luck, everything bad is because they meddle? And take Josh Allen out of the equation and what do you have? Ok take Tom Brady away from the Pats, take Patrick Mahomes from the Chief, that's a terrible argument imo.

I'm pretty sure Pegula has alot of say at least on the hockey side of things but I don't think it's lack of trying at least for head coaches... He wen't with with old coaches Ted Nolan/Lindy Ruff/Dan Bylsma, new coaches in Ron Rolston/Phil Housley/Don Granato and the outside the box hire of Ralph Krueger. Also I don't think it was a lack of trying for players either as they drafted Jack Eichel and he stayed with matt Moulson's family, had Brian Gionta as captain while bringing in guys like Evander Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, Brandon Montour. Also drafting Sam Reinhart, Linus Ullmark amongst other and later even adding Taylor Hall.

Where I think we've gone wrong since Regier is that every GM we hired was a 1st time GM, this time around we should go with a GM who has done it before and even if he wasn't successful lately I think having any sort of past success will be beneficial to us but that's my take on it.

[JustOneParade]

46 minutes ago, French Collection said:

He has never weaponized cap space. In the early days of the rebuild he did not take on contracts or act as a third party in trades that could have netted more of those “precious” draft picks. That has got to be TP not wanting to spend actual $$.

Correct. And the ‘palm trees and taxes’ excuse wouldn’t apply to the weaponizing of the cap space. What KA could have gained from doing so is currency to make helpful trades to upgrade the roster. (For those without NMC’s).

[Pimlach]

20 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

OMG, this is hilarious.  You all are actually going to do this again?  Pure gold.

Read this.  Buffalo local media and the national media are aligned with the thoughts commonly made here at SabreSpace.  

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/sabres-gms-comments-on-no-palm-trees-and-taxes-miss-mark-in-buffalo/

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-players-dont-want-to-go-to-the-sabres-because-they-stink-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-palm-trees-and-taxes

There are hundreds of news clips and tweets like this out there.  Your defense of Pegula and Adams and their plan for the Sabres is misguided and kind of sad.  

Edited December 8 by Pimlach

[KC Scouts]

Are the Buffalo Sabres the New York Jets of the NHL?

OR

Are the New York Jets the Buffalo Sabres of the NFL?

And.... am I insulting the New York Jets by comparing?...Just wondering....😆

[Archie Lee]

I really like Adams. I have empathy as I’m sure he was having that kinda day on Friday and that if he could do it over he would strike the exact opposite tone (lord knows McDermott has said at least one thing even more regrettable). It’s going to be hard for Adams to survive this though. Pegula’s support will need to be nearly unbreakable. 

[Kristian]

15 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

Why did the fans chase Eichel away????

Yeah sure - The Sabres being dogshit for ages, showing no improvement, had absolutely nothing to do with it.

It’s always those scummy fans, why can’t they just give us their money and be quiet?

[LTS]

16 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

Also Powers is 20 or 21, not his fault either and up in Top of League for offense defensemen

So, his name is Power, not Powers and he's 22.  Why do I bring this up?

16 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

Try READING

Try learning who the players on the team you are blindly supporting are.

15 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

I am not an ungrateful SOB who realizes Terry Pegula saved Buffalo Sport. Rebuilding Downtown starting with Harbor Center bringing in NHL main Events. Building a Super Stadium where he can at Least apply to Sponsor a Super Bowl!

Hell, I bought the whole Pegula Bed Set

So we should be grateful that someone has owned the Buffalo Sabres and made them the laughing stock of the NHL? I guess I set my standards a bit higher than setting the record for futility. It seems that is your goal.

Also, the Bills can't get a Super Bowl, but clearly you haven't read enough to know why they cannot. I'm missing some of those NHL main events. As far as I know the only thing in Buffalo is the combine. The Sabres were in the inaugural WInter Classic, but that predates Pregula.  SInce then, under Pegula the Sabres have been in two additional outdoor games where they were considered the home team, neither of those games were in Buffalo.

15 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

Why do you care to Post why you want Terry Pegula gone and anyone would care you wrote that????

 

Isn't that the reason this Blog exists to debate the fact FANS think they actually run the TEAMS   😂

This is a forum.  A blog is something completely different.  I figured I should point that out since you wanted to point out how someone spelled defence.  Which, of course was ignorant in its own right since defence is a perfectly good spelling of the word just not commonly used in the US variant of English. Defence however is specifically how Canada spells it when referring to their Department of National Defence and it's origination from the UK who spells it that way.

Curious how you missed that information in your READING.

15 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

Fans asked for this when they didn't scream they didn't want to TANK

 

Get better Properly losing. That is what we are doing now 😂

Why did the fans chase Eichel away????

Ahhh, the fans chased Eichel away. That's rich and spoken as someone who is truly a sycophant for the wealthy and famous. But, unfortunately, the fans did not chase Jack Eichel away. That's been covered ad nauseum and I won't go into it. You can try that READING thing you love so much.

One final note, see how I included all of your inane responses into a single response?  You can do it too, it's called multi-quoting. You simply hit the plus sign next to the quote and it queues all of the posts you want to respond to into a single response. It's an amazing technology that you should use.