Hockey Heaven!

[TRIP65]

45 minutes ago, Stoner said:

I'm sure Terry talks to the GM of the Bandits daily.

I've said several times maybe just maybe Terry is not out of his element as a football owner. He called himself a football guy and was a power player at PSU. That, a mechanism in place to keep him from meddling, and getting JA might be the secret sauce.

The Bills got the 3-4 QB that draft. How they developed him matters most and recognizing the Talent. Also let Josh be Josh and  play the way he wanted, also get treatment how he wants it.

 

The Sabres got the 2nd best Center of the draft. Could be said they didn't handle the Situation the same. Made him #1 Center Immediately, team Captain and tried to completely Control him.

 

When both of them lost, Josh got Diggs, who did Eichel get to make him better?

 

Seems to me in Both situations this has more to do with GM quality then anything else. One Team helped their STAR player better.

Edited December 8 by TRIP65

[Wyldnwoody44]

I think Trip 65 might be Idemo's brother or cousin or something. Sorry bro, its you against Sparta in here, good luck though. 

Maybe Terry should use his words and speak Mr "hockey heaven" and "Sole existence" you can't spout that crap and then get upset when you're called out. 

My POV, these fans do not make that much $$ compared to the players and the owners, they spend a lot of it making him and them richer.... It is not intrinsically owed to us per se that he has to cater to us... But it's been a pitiful decade of silence and nonsense and there is still expectation that we show up and pay money and buy Swag. 

He needs to be better, or let someone else do it, if the goal isn't to start winning then he deserves every last ounce of this criticism. 

[TRIP65]

25 minutes ago, SwampD said:

So, if it's not Pegula, it's not Ruff, It's not the players, It's not Kevyn, What is wrong with the Sabres? Or are they actually good and I just don't know how to watch hockey.

Biased Score board data input person

[TRIP65]

21 minutes ago, nucci said:

becuase he hired good people who demanded total control. Beane and McDermott run the team, Pegula stays out and just pays the bills

Got to get Lucky too. Look at Pats, took a 6th round QB and benched the 1st Overall pick who won the AFC Championship Game. That 6th Round QB wins the Superbowl and goes on to win the most SB's ever by a player. After 1st SB they trade their 1st Overall pick to team in the Division. That player starts 6-2 half way through Season looking like a HUGE mistake. We then go on to 17 year No playoff bender!

 

Well now you know the Rest Of The Story

[TRIP65]

17 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

You quoted  the example I put of "in board meetings"  I'm not sure why? you are saying that is how I see it and its not true? I am seeing capital letters/shouting that others aren't? If that is not the case I'm not sure why that was included in your quote.

You are obviously the one that needs to feel justified in your posts. As others have said, you have WAY too many replies that are short, vague, with no substance and filled with sarcasm. That is how I see it, and obviously that is how others see it.  It appears the only person, up until this point, who sees things your way is the person with the sticky 'caps lock' key.

I OBJECT!

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/8672/what-do-all-capital-letters-typically-refer-to-in-writing

 

"Contextual emphasis:

Capital letters can be considered a third form of emphasis, among Italics and Bold text."

 

I am sorry you misinterpreted my use of Capital Letters.

 

SO PRESUMPTUOUS!

[Pimlach]

35 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I would have a conversation with you about the question but that's not what you want.  It's an hate filled argument and it's exhausting.  I've explained my position before, not that anyone would or should care.  

It's either get onboard with hating every single thing Sabres, shut up, get insulted or attacked here.

I'm going to challenge you angry folks whenever I feel like it.

 

[TRIP65]

19 minutes ago, steveoat87 said:

I recall in his presser Adams complained that he didn't have a Josh Allen.  If I recall, Allen wasn't a number 1 pick, but he went in the top 10.  Kevin probably wouldn't have picked him (it takes real scouting and investment of time and resources).  He currently has two numbers ones on the team (Dahlin and Power) and look what good this does -- it does not make Buffalo a palm tree destination. 

And he had a #2 overall too. Look how he handled that situation. Not all on Eichel.

[Pimlach]

40 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Fans asked for this when they didn't scream they didn't want to TANK

 

Get better Properly losing. That is what we are doing now 😂

Why did the fans chase Eichel away????

You think the fans are the reason Pegula allowed the tank?   Your replies are bizzare.  

[TRIP65]

39 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

I think Trip 65 might be Idemo's brother or cousin or something. Sorry bro, its you against Sparta in here, good luck though. 

Maybe Terry should use his words and speak Mr "hockey heaven" and "Sole existence" you can't spout that crap and then get upset when you're called out. 

My POV, these fans do not make that much $$ compared to the players and the owners, they spend a lot of it making him and them richer.... It is not intrinsically owed to us per se that he has to cater to us... But it's been a pitiful decade of silence and nonsense and there is still expectation that we show up and pay money and buy Swag. 

He needs to be better, or let someone else do it, if the goal isn't to start winning then he deserves every last ounce of this criticism. 

Are you not entertained??????

 

Then walk away and see how fast things get fixed!

 

Or go and shout your displeasure and point at Pegula or Adams.

 

Pretty sure the fans got rid of O'Reilly, said Reinhart wasn't worth a Multi-year contract for BIG bucks because he wasn't a true scoring Center, that Eichel was a sniveling baby and locker room problem, wanted Tank tank Tank to get McDavid.

 

Wanting things tends to get you more and more in trouble without accepting your blessings.

 

Now you want a new owner. Well he will want a new 1 Billion Dollar Stadium downtown totally funded by your tax dollars.

 

Want you to Pay Per View games on TV.

 

Want Top Dollar for Tickets and Entertainment so he can get you the best Coach and GM your money can buy. All the while he will be looking for a new City who can give him more if he fails or gets Unlucky!

 

He will have already seen this fan base turns on the Owners when things go bad.

 

 

Edited December 8 by TRIP65

[COSabreFan]

1 hour ago, TRIP65 said:

What have you ever done in your life????

 

Pegula bought failing Franchises and one good one, The Bandits! Paid roughly 1.6 Billion in money. They are now worth over 3 Billion!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Bills a new $2 Billion Stadium being built here in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Turned Bills into Perennial Playoff Contenders. Got us probably the most gifted QB ever to play the game!!!!!!!!!!!!  He paid him as such too.

Kept the Bandits Winners and Champions.

Made Amerks one of the Top 5 AHL teams every year and a Very good source of qualified AHLers. Noted as Top most talented AHL Team

His daughter, not super athletic, got the best training from her Dad that money can buy and is Top 5 in Woman's Tennis

 

How about you?

Is that you Terry?

[TRIP65]

8 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You think the fans are the reason Pegula allowed the tank?   Your replies are bizzare.  

No, I think the fans went along cause they thought they would get McDavid. When that didn't happen, thought Eichel wasn't worth all those players lost. When Eichel and crew didn't start getting us to the Playoffs, Fans took this out on Eichel and ended up chasing him away.

 

Eichel has disdain for Sabres Fans now!!!!! There is NO doubt about that and he has The Cup to prove we were wrong!

[mjd1001]

I myself have underestimated the need for veterans..for overpaying for some semi-quality vets as part of development.

The issue with this team now may not be drafting poorly...it may not be awful development in the minors....it may not be bad signings or trades. Instead, not paying money when you did have room under the cap, possibly overpaying.

Someone else just brought this up, and I'm sure a few of the veteran posters have brought this up over the last year or two.  What if, in the last 2-3 years, you signed a vet, either as a free agent or you worked out a trade, and paid a 30 year old who scored 18-22 goals per year $6-$7m over 3 years?  For that production it is an overpay. But if you had room under the cap, how much of a value would 1, 2, or maybe even 3 of those guys be to pair with the young guys?

Have a guy or two like that on a line with Peterka or Quinn instead of having Quinn, Peterka, and Cozens all 'develop' together?

What if you took a 'Good' Dman that wouldn't come here for market value, but you gave that 28-30 year old guy who got $5 someplace else and you gave him $7m here for 3 years...so when Power or Dahlin were in a slump you could pair them with a vet...and you are paying them $7 per year not for their production but for having SOME production and being a settling influence with the young guys.  Erik Johnson was a good idea last year, but I'm talking paying possibly a LOT more to get someone better than him. You had the cap room.

I criticize Pegula alot, and I'm going to take a shot at him here that may or may not be true.  I would think that Adams and the hockey department WOULD want to do something like the above and WOULD want to spend to the cap....but after being burned with bad contracts in the past, it may have been (and I think it was) Pegula that limited the spending and had a desire to stay 'under' the cap until the team started to play better...instead of the other way around.

Paul Hamilton and one of the other Sabres beat guys (forgot the other one) both said that 2 offseasons ago the Sabres were considered an up-and-coming team and they were getting calls from agents asking about coming to Buffalo. That was their chance to do all of the above. But after last season and so far this season, they blew it.

So what do you do now?

McLeod centers a line with Zucker (or Greenway when he gets back), you throw Cozens on that wing. That would be a start. TWO vets with just ONE of the struggling young guys.

Quinn doesn't play for a while until there is an injury or if you want to swap him in for Cozens and Cozens sits.

My main priority trading this season is to get a good center or a very good winger (at least 5-6 years experience and at least 26-27 years old) to fill out the 2nd/3rd line.  Quinn, Cozens, Krebs, Kulich, even Peterka can play, but you do not put 2 of them (of course not all 3 of them) together on the ice at the same time.

Edited December 8 by mjd1001

[TRIP65]

4 minutes ago, COSabreFan said:

Is that you Terry?

I wish

[Billznut]

1 hour ago, Indabuff said:

It might be TP himself. 

It’s definitely a relative of some sort. 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

I love Tage but this doesn’t get discussed.  He’s pitiful in his own end, lazy on the back check, stays on the ice too long for too many shifts, barely touches anyone and makes a lot of bad decisions in the offensive zone.  

He really isn’t a pure center.  He can play there, sure, but its not a natural fit.  I could see him score bunches with a playmaker type 1C. 

[Pimlach]

24 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

No, I think the fans went along cause they thought they would get McDavid. When that didn't happen, thought Eichel wasn't worth all those players lost. When Eichel and crew didn't start getting us to the Playoffs, Fans took this out on Eichel and ended up chasing him away.

 

Eichel has disdain for Sabres Fans now!!!!! There is NO doubt about that and he has The Cup to prove we were wrong!

I don’t think Eichel cares about the fans as much as you think he does.   The fans did not decide Eichel’s. fate in Buffalo.  That was Eichel a Terry Pegula, in mutual agreement to let him go.  

[mjd1001]

22 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

He really isn’t a pure center.  He can play there, sure, but its not a natural fit.  I could see him score bunches with a playmaker type 1C. 

The problem with Tage on wing is he seems to work best when not along the boards. Many of his goals are when he has room both to his left and to his right. 11 of his goals this year according to NHL edge are between the dots. 25 of his 29 last year were between the dots. The previous year he had 28 goals alone from either right in front of the net or between the inside of the circles.

I know that is the prime scoring area for everyone, but if he is that good between the dots and he is the best shooter/best hands on your team, I want him in the position to take the most shots from those areas.

Now maybe some of their data is off by a few feet (going off of diagrams) but the thing is, other than a one-timer on the PP or a set play, he doesn't score well on rushing coming up the ice on the wing. He is most dangerous front and center of the net.

Edited December 8 by mjd1001

[TRIP65]

5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I myself have underestimated the need for veterans..for overpaying for some semi-quality vets as part of development.

The issue with this team now may not be drafting poorly...it may not be awful development in the minors....it may not be bad signings or trades. Instead, not paying money when you did have room under the cap, possibly overpaying.

Someone else just brought this up, and I'm sure a few of the veteran posters have brought this up over the last year or two.  What if, in the last 2-3 years, you signed a vet, either as a free agent or you worked out a trade, and paid a 30 year old who scored 18-22 goals per year $6-$7m over 3 years?  For that production it is an overpay. But if you had room under the cap, how much of a value would 1, 2, or maybe even 3 of those guys be to pair with the young guys?

Have a guy or two like that on a line with Peterka or Quinn instead of having Quinn, Peterka, and Cozens all 'develop' together?

What if you took a 'Good' Dman that wouldn't come here for market value, but you gave that 28-30 year old guy who got $5 someplace else and you gave him $7m here for 3 years...so when Power or Dahlin was in a slump you could pair them with a vet...and you are paying them $7 per year not for their production but for having SOME production and being a settling influence with the young guys.  Erik Johnson was a good idea last year, but I'm talking paying possibly a LOT more to get someone even a little better.

I criticize Pegula alot, and I'm going to take a shot at him here that may or may not be true.  I would think that management WOULD want to do something like the above and WOULD want to spend to the cap....but after being burned with bad contracts in the back, it may have been (and I think it was) Pegula that limited the spending and had a desire to stay 'under' the cap until the team started to play better...instead of the other way around.

Two years ago many of us proposed that over keeping Girg, Okposo and keep bringing in young guys from Rochester developing them here. Really hasn't worked. Most of the guys brought up are not scoring. Tage and Tuch are trades made. Quinn, Cozens, Peterka are guys brought up 2-3 years ago. Peterka is almost there but is streaky.

 

Sabres are where they are at because of Adams playing the young guys approach and feed them with more young guys. The few Veterans were from here through many losing seasons. Many fans bought into this shouting the rest of us Down.

 

It takes a Good Gm and HC to win, get to the Playoffs. Takes players that know winning with a Support System that gets players when needed to fill in spots.

 

Most of all it takes 2-3 Star Players that are Top of their Positions properly paid for Production that is or was proven at least 2-3 years in the League, some could come from 3-4 lines developed and now out performing lineups. Takes a farm System ready to feed cheaper players to finish the job to Consistently win.

 

The Sabres wanted to do this by Developing two young Teams simultaneously and boy have they FAILED! Not only that, the GM has long term contracts with players paid out for many years with 1-2 decent years of Production! Luckily these contracts are cheap in a year or two. Every new losing Team needs Players and have room.  Every Perennial winner who over spent and dumps players have Vets that could help and Sabres have young players these teams need also for Future.

 

Just need a GM who looks at players as Assets and not necessarily Sabres players and gets what The Sabres need.

 

So Fire Adams, If there is a GM out there that Fits now and the right guy get him or just Temp fill a guy on Team Ruff can trust to help right now without selling the House.

 

Try trading Quinn for something that can go to Rochester or picks 2-3 years from now that is allowed. Sabres need Quinn's spot. Waive him to Rochester if you must. Sure you might lose him but also might get lucky. Quinn will be good someday. Takes 2 years with his injuries just to start really coming back as you were.

 

See if you can find #1 Center that is a Play Maker, carry's the puck well through offensive Zone. Can be a older usable player because Rochester has Plenty of Centers coming up. Like McLeod but he is better for 3rd line and move up on injury to get by. Third line of Greenway McLeod and Zucker was good.

 

Nothing BIG will happen this year that is Not on Roster or in Rochester. If Aube not good enough waive him to Rochester and bring up Rousek. Also have Lafferty.

 

Also try to get rid of Krebs, again we need his spot. Waive to Rochester if needed. Got Plenty of Assets! Player that is Young and doesn't score is replaceable once they fail in NHL. Rather play Kosak or Rousek 4th line.

[TRIP65]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

The problem with Tage on wing is he seems to work best when not along the boards. Many of his goals are when he has room both to his left and to his right. 11 of his goals this year according to NHL edge are between the dots. 25 of his 29 last year were between the dots. The previous year he had 28 goals alone from either right in front of the net or between the inside of the circles.

I know that is the prime scoring area for everyone, but if he is that good between the dots and he is the best shooter/best hands on your team, I want him in the position to take the most shots from those areas.

2nd line Center. Gets hurt to much to keep trusting he will be there all the time. One of the wingers on 2nd line should be able to play Center when he is out! Tage can replace 1st line Center that is hurt.

[TRIP65]

14 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I don’t think Eichel cares about the fans as much as you think he does.   The fans did not decide Eichel’s. fate in Buffalo.  That was Eichel a Terry Pegula, in mutual agreement to let him go.  

Eichel ask to be traded cause of the injury and Treatment. Terry Pegula took offense Eichel asked to be Traded. Getting booed a lot also and Eichel definitely made comments contrary the year he won the Cup. That one game in Buffalo when he got the Hat-trick was when it all blew up!

 

The Point of the whole thing is Eichel should still be a Sabre, signed a Contract and all sides of this didn't respect each other, Media too.

 

Losing Eichel took our #1 Center and Tage has tried to fill the shoes but it isn't totally working cause of injuries and he really isn't a Play maker. He is a Scorer!

Imagine if we had both still. Wouldn't matter about Tuch or 1st pick. Krebs is nothing to this equation!

Bet we would be playing Playoff Hockey!!!!

[HumanSlinky39]

I've been a diehard fan since 1992. Through thick and thin through the years, including this 13+ year death march, I still cared and remained engaged. I think they're finally losing me. Something about that Adams presser broke something in me. It just feels so hopeless now.

I've made no effort to watch the last two games. That is VERY unusual for me. Apathy is taking hold, so not sure how many more this season I'll bother with. Thanks, Terry. Thanks, Kevyn. You've finally killed my passion.

Edited December 8 by HumanSlinky39

[Flashsabre]

I can’t believe Pegula has owned the team for 14 years, is 0 for 14 at just making the playoffs, and people are on here defending him and deflecting blame away from him.

Its Charlie Brown and the football every single year and people are still saying “Lucy won’t pull the football away this time you’ll see”

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

What have you ever done in your life????

 

Pegula bought failing Franchises and one good one, The Bandits! Paid roughly 1.6 Billion in money. They are now worth over 3 Billion!!!!!!!!!!!! Got Bills a new $2 Billion Stadium being built here in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Turned Bills into Perennial Playoff Contenders. Got us probably the most gifted QB ever to play the game!!!!!!!!!!!!  He paid him as such too.

Kept the Bandits Winners and Champions.

Made Amerks one of the Top 5 AHL teams every year and a Very good source of qualified AHLers. Noted as Top most talented AHL Team

His daughter, not super athletic, got the best training from her Dad that money can buy and is Top 5 in Woman's Tennis

 

How about you?

I’ve never bought an NHL franchise and turned it into a 14 year long embarrassment. 

[Ctaeth]

I can see the onion article title in my head:

Buffalo NY Hockey GM trying to convince players to come to Buffalo does the opposite by reminding them about NY's taxes and cold climate 

[zow2]

The thing is, Buffalo being situated on the Canadian border and near the massive population of the Golden Horshoe region, has always made it popular w NHL’ers.  Many, made WNY home even after their playing careers.  Hockey players are not scared to live and raise a family in cold climates.  Well, that is until Pegula became owner and made this franchise into the joke of the league.