Hockey Heaven!

[Mango]

My hot take is that Pegula wants to sell the Sabres but wants to hide behind a Lombardi before he does it.

He will be run out of town if the Bills falter (like the Sabres) in the post Allen era without a Lombardi and he sells the hockey team. In that scenario he’d be considered one of the worst things to ever happen to Buffalo.

But with a Super Bowl trophy…..

[JohnC]

11 hours ago, SwampD said:

Someone tell me again how this is not yet another bottom.

I ***** hate this team. I just want to watch good hockey and I'm sick of it always being another team.

Don't be in a state of despair. In my view, this isn't a bottom. That's not the issue with me. This is a situation where we are again flirting with the possibility of fighting for one of the last playoff spots and then missing out. My basic point on my numerous points on this subject is that it didn't need to be this way. With a few prudent moves this team could have been improved to the point where it would be climbing up the ranks. That's not the case right now. We seem to be stuck in this never-ending cycle of mediocrity. Our GM is basically a status quo GM whose team has been anchored in the same situation for the past few years. Compare the Sabres to the Washington Capitals? Since their Cup year they have steadily (not dramatically) reworked their roster. Their current record is 18-6-2. Their now reworked roster is at the point where they are in contention. By no means are they an elite team. That's not my point. What they have done in comparison to our flaccid organization is constantly take action to improve their team. It's not just about adding players but more importantly always keeping in mind of building a well-rounded roster. 

If you review the past number of games against good teams (Minn, Vancouver, Colorado and Winnipeg), the difference between winning and losing was miniscule. That's why I put much of the blame on the GM. In my opinion, just a few more judicious personnel decisions over the past couple of years could have made a big difference and altered the low perception of this franchise. There is a saying (I made up 😃)Dullards don't shine. 

[SwampD]

16 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Don't be in a state of despair. In my view, this isn't a bottom. That's not the issue with me. This is a situation where we are again flirting with the possibility of fighting for one of the last playoff spots and then missing out. My basic point on my numerous points on this subject is that it didn't need to be this way. With a few prudent moves this team could have been improved to the point where it would be climbing up the ranks. That's not the case right now. We seem to be stuck in this never-ending cycle of mediocrity. Our GM is basically a status quo GM whose team has been anchored in the same situation for the past few years. Compare the Sabres to the Washington Capitals? Since their Cup year they have steadily (not dramatically) reworked their roster. Their current record is 18-6-2. Their now reworked roster is at the point where they are in contention. By no means are they an elite team. That's not my point. What they have done in comparison to our flaccid organization is constantly take action to improve their team. It's not just about adding players but more importantly always keeping in mind of building a well-rounded roster. 

If you review the past number of games against good teams (Minn, Vancouver, Colorado and Winnipeg), the difference between winning and losing was miniscule. That's why I put much of the blame on the GM. In my opinion, just a few more judicious personnel decisions over the past couple of years could have made a big difference and altered the low perception of this franchise. There is a saying (I made up 😃)Dullards don't shine. 

Every team can say this. It’s not a special case for the Sabres.

Other than stating the obvious, what is your point? If my aunt had a penis, she’d be my uncle. They didn’t get better, so they are not better.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Every team can say this. It’s not a special case for the Sabres.

Other than stating the obvious, what is your point? If my aunt had a penis, she’d be my uncle. They didn’t get better, so they are not better.

My point is simple. Bad decisions by mediocre staffing result in predictable outcomes. And this has been going on for almost a generation. That's what makes this situation such an absurdity. 

Edited December 7 by JohnC

[SwampD]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

My point is simple. Bad decisions by mediocre staffing result in predictable outcomes. And this has been going on for almost a generation. That's what makes this situation such an absurdity. 

And yet you said we shouldn’t despair because this isn’t a bottom. You mean it can get worse?!

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, SwampD said:

And yet you said we shouldn’t despair because this isn’t a bottom. You mean it can get worse?!

It certainly could get worse if the GM makes foolish decisions acting out of desperation. 

[bunomatic]

Kev will keep trading the good players. Its his m.o.

[LTS]

15 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

The posters and maybe you were one, said they'd rather have the team leave Buffalo than have Pegula own the team.  I didn't mean anything different, I just didn't bother to quote them specifically enough. 

I think the sentiment is that if Pegula continues to own this team and they continue to be the joke of an NHL franchise that they have been then who cares if they leave?

I want a quality NHL franchise in the city I was raised. The fans deserve it and the city does. If Pegula cannot make that happen he should sell the team. Now, what happens if no one wants to buy the team and keep it in Buffalo?  Logically the only option is to sell the team and move it. At least it would hopefully become a quality NHL franchise again.  Right now all we have is to hope against thirteen years of evidence that Pegula does something to make this a quality franchise. Soon we'll hope against 14 years.

The Pegula era of Buffalo Sabres ownership has been nothing but a joke with the team managing to match the all-time consecutive winless streak at 18 games as well as setting the record for most consecutive seasons not making the playoffs. In league where every team has a 50/50 shot, that's pathetic.

6 minutes ago, SwampD said:

And yet you said we shouldn’t despair because this isn’t a bottom. You mean it can get worse?!

It can always get worse. It doesn't mean they aren't at the bottom now. It just means they've managed to dig the hole deeper and established a brand new bottom.

[inkman]

Sounds like everyone took their stupid pills today 

[SwampD]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

Sounds like everyone took their stupid pills today 

I do plan on watching today, so you might be right.

[SwampD]

6 minutes ago, LTS said:

I think the sentiment is that if Pegula continues to own this team and they continue to be the joke of an NHL franchise that they have been then who cares if they leave?

I want a quality NHL franchise in the city I was raised. The fans deserve it and the city does. If Pegula cannot make that happen he should sell the team. Now, what happens if no one wants to buy the team and keep it in Buffalo?  Logically the only option is to sell the team and move it. At least it would hopefully become a quality NHL franchise again.  Right now all we have is to hope against thirteen years of evidence that Pegula does something to make this a quality franchise. Soon we'll hope against 14 years.

The Pegula era of Buffalo Sabres ownership has been nothing but a joke with the team managing to match the all-time consecutive winless streak at 18 games as well as setting the record for most consecutive seasons not making the playoffs. In league where every team has a 50/50 shot, that's pathetic.

It can always get worse. It doesn't mean they aren't at the bottom now. It just means they've managed to dig the hole deeper and established a brand new bottom.

They have been digging a new bottom with every season of missed playoffs. Nothing new to see here.

[bunomatic]

6 minutes ago, SwampD said:

They have been digging a new bottom with every season of missed playoffs. Nothing new to see here.

Its like oak island. Jebus just find the friggin gold already.

[GASabresIUFAN]

He should be gone before the game ends!

[nucci]

won't matter if Pegula is still in charge

[PromoTheRobot]

What about the players?

[Flashsabre]

The fascinating part will be what does Terry do if he cans Adams. Adams was the ultimate yes man. Scared to sneeze without Terry’s permission.

The league knows exactly what Pegula is about. No one worth their salt is going to want the job under a meddling owner. And Pegula is not a fan of “NHL people” so who does he get? His buddy Forton? What a mess that would be. Karmanos has been complicit in all this garbage.

Selling the team or Terry looking in the mirror and realizing he is the problem aee the only ways things change.

Edited December 7 by Flashsabre

[JoeSchmoe]

[mjd1001]

its not just Adams, its the entire front office plus Pegula.  He doesn't make a decision without input from the entire front office (Karmanos, Ventura, Jakubowski, and others) and he doesn't pull the trigger on anything (anything big at least) without running it by Pegula.

Firing Adams fixing NOTHING unless/until Pegula changes the structure of how the front office is run, and all the guys below Adams not only do not get promoted, but are gone also because they are the ones giving him input.

I cannot fathom the constant cries of "Fire Adams" unless you follow it up with the structure, and all other guys around him, going also.

[Porous Five Hole]

Posting again because why not?

[Carmel Corn]

5 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

The fascinating part will be what does Terry do if he cans Adams. Adams was the ultimate yes man. Scared to sneeze without Terry’s permission.

The league knows exactly what Pegula is about. No one worth their salt is going to want the job under a meddling owner. And Pegula is not a fan of “NHL people” so who does he get? His buddy Forton? What a mess that would be. Karmanos has been complicit in all this garbage.

Selling the team or Terry looking in the mirror and realizing he is the problem aee the only ways things change.

Maybe the only hope is that he hires Brandon Beane as the President of Hockey Operations…..just half kidding

[Wyldnwoody44]

Let's find the meanest Dan Campbell look alike NHL coach to put behind the bench, someone that will scare the puberty out of half these guys. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

There is no question that a new GM needs Terry to move to the background.  Maybe Ruff has enough pull with Terry to ask him to take a step back.  Maybe Karmanis and Ruff can team up in the short-term to try to fix some things sooner than later and hopefully Terry sells the team this spring and thus allows a fresh look.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Let's find the meanest Dan Campbell look alike NHL coach to put behind the bench, someone that will scare the puberty out of half these guys. 

So Adams AND Ruff.

[7+6=13]

OMG, this is hilarious.  You all are actually going to do this again?  Pure gold.

[EM88]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

There is no question that a new GM needs Terry to move to the background.  Maybe Ruff has enough pull with Terry to ask him to take a step back.  Maybe Karmanis and Ruff can team up in the short-term to try to fix some things sooner than later and hopefully Terry sells the team this spring and thus allows a fresh look.

Ruff is really the only new voice in the room.

All the other guys, Karmanos, Venture, all of them. They all have had input into the current roster and they way things are done here.

The only voice in the room I would trust maybe is Ruff.  Keep any of those other guys and you may as well keep Adams also.