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[GASabresIUFAN]

43 minutes ago, inkman said:

I’m not sure how much winning factors into a franchise’s value 

The gate and playoff revenue are huge factors in their P/L and thus the evaluation.  

[JP51]

23 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

Josh Allen.

if Sabres won the McDavid lottery, maybe they would have gotten just as lucky 

They would have traded him or not resigned him, pi$$ed him off or whatever it is they do with players of value... like Eichel, Reinhardt, OReilly, Montour etc...  Sorry, I just dont believe this management understands how to build a winner...  Like I have posted before other teams GM office conversation:

 

GM: Bob... we need to get a top 3-6 guy thats a difference maker cheap, this week if possible

AGM:  Ok Boss, should I run to the store and grab one??? LOL 

GM: No you idiot get Adams on the phone!

AGM: Well $hit why didnt I think of that!

GM: Just call... 

[LGR4GM]

15 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

At First and then the Arena goes away, no more Concerts, Bandits go Stadium to costly for upkeep.

The Pegulas are winning in Football, AHL Hockey and Bandits

Bills sucked till they got Beane, he is the Key and a Good HC that might be evolving up in his 7th year finally!

 

The key is getting Players that play consistently and TOGETHER. Sabres do NOT have that. There is Talent but much is the same. Top 2 centers are Tall and Lanky with shots but no much else. Defense has offensive guys, NO defensive stalwart. The rest of the guys are all tweener Wingers. I think McLeod could be something Different but have been moving him too much. Make him the 2nd Line Center and get him a scoring Winger

 

Pegula is NOT the issue

 

Adams is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Granto wasn't since Ruff is getting almost the same results. We have the PROOF. Pegula spends money, bought out Skinner

Who makes these decisions????

 

ADAMS

You're a rube if you think Kevyn Adams makes the decisions. 

You're also confuzzled if you blame Adams for a bunch of hires but let Pegula off for hiring Adams. The derth of logic here is mind numbing. 

Edited December 5 by LGR4GM

[LGR4GM]

14 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

 

OK, How about the Bandits and the Amerks??

How about a Daughter in Tennis ranked Top 5??????

You ever see Pegula at a Bandits game? Nope. 

You realize the Amerks are good because Karmanos and all the high draft picks? Nope. 

My daughter would be good at tennis too if I had billions of dollars to support her coaching and life and training. Also, wtf does having a daughter who plays tennis have to do with the Sabres never making the playoffs under his ownership? 

 

10 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Why is Adams still employed?

No idea. It's obvious he can't get things done. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

28 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You ever see Pegula at a Bandits game? Nope. 

You realize the Amerks are good because Karmanos and all the high draft picks? Nope. 

My daughter would be good at tennis too if I had billions of dollars to support her coaching and life and training. Also, wtf does having a daughter who plays tennis have to do with the Sabres never making the playoffs under his ownership? 

 

No idea. It's obvious he can't get things done. 

Hasn't that been obvious for years?   The fans should boycott a game completely and maybe he'll do something.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Hasn't that been obvious for years?   The fans should boycott a game completely and maybe he'll do something.

Bring back the guys in the upper deck with the weekly signs across the wall. I’ll start, 

“TERRY PEGULA IS THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO HOCKEY IN BUFFALO”

”TERRY, SELL THE TEAM OR STAY HOME”

”TERRY PEGULA RUINED MY FAVORITE HOCKEY TEAM”

“PEGULA SUCKS”

[JohnC]

13 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Why is Adams still employed?

I have even a better question: Why was Adams hired? 

[GASabresIUFAN]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I have even a better question: Why was Adams hired? 

I asked that question that day he was hired given his complete lack of front-office experience.  It seems my reservations were correct.  That said, the hiring is now in the past and it's time for a fresh look at this team and Adams and Pegula are not the people I trust to make the necessary decisions to fix this franchise.

[Alaska John]

I said before the season that the best trade Adams could make, would be to trade himself for a bag of used pucks.  That would open the door for a real GM to come in.  

[mjd1001]

23 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I have even a better question: Why was Adams hired? 

He made Pegula feel comfortable. He wouldn't talk back to Pegula. He wouldn't  say "no" to Pegula.

Basically, its not that Pegula "Trusted" him....its more that Pegula "Trusted adams to do what Terry wants".

[Stoner]

TARO SEZ: TP NOT VERY CHARMIN'

[Thorner]

20 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

So you are in charge as of right now, what do you do?

He would manage expectations 

19 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Well I do think the fans have crossed over the breaking point. They were booing with about 30 seconds to go and the team was only down a goal with the net empty. I have never seen that in my entire life. After it's over sure, but never when a team is down by 1 late. It's understandable, but I think it's a new low. 

The players on this team *absolutely* despise the fans lol. I’d bet on it. 

Id feel bad for them, tbh, if we didn’t have it oh so much worse 

Edited December 5 by Thorner

[Thorner]

16 hours ago, JohnC said:

Lindy is not the problem.  Adams should be fired. Who should take over? Karmonos or Ventura with Lindy giving considerable input. 

Hell no. Another first time GM is no bueno 

It can’t even be a consideration 

16 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

As long as we acknowledge doing this doesn't fix this year.

Or next year for that matter. It will require patience. It shall require the managing of expectations 

[Thorner]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

The critical issue isn't fixing anything on any timeline. The critical issue is getting the right people in place. Then, the timeline matter will work itself out. The requirement is getting on the right pathway so that this franchise can become a meaningful NHL franchise. As it stands, we have a GM who doesn't understand how to build a roster. He has also demonstrated that he isn't too adept in smartly structuring contracts. That cripples your options when attempting to trade players.  

How much time has been wasted under this clueless owner with his churning of staff. The one constant in this embarrassing era of mediocrity is his ownership. The measure of success in sports is easy to gauge. It's the team's record. It's gotten so predictably bad that one of WGR's hosts commented that he hates to talk about the Sabres because it always the same old shiiiiit. (Paraphrasing of course.)

This season is not a lost cause, although it is slipping away, again. In my estimation this team has enough talent to compete for a fringe playoff spot. The sad reality is that when you are a Sabre fan your aspirations have to be limited. When you are rooting for a team that lacks resiliency you, end up expecting nothing but futility. The Colorado fiasco embodies that point. It is a sad state of affairs that has been going on for too long. 

Hard disagree. The timeline employed is a central factor, maybe the utmost, in selecting the proper people. We cannot afford to elect for someone who proposes a long-form timeline 

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You're a rube if you think Kevyn Adams makes the decisions. 

You're also confuzzled if you blame Adams for a bunch of hires but let Pegula off for hiring Adams. The derth of logic here is mind numbing. 

So, if you could hypothetically switch out Terry for whoever you consider to be the ideal owner, would you be fine with Adams getting a reprieve? 

[JohnC]

13 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

He made Pegula feel comfortable. He wouldn't talk back to Pegula. He wouldn't  say "no" to Pegula.

Basically, its not that Pegula "Trusted" him....its more that Pegula "Trusted adams to do what Terry wants".

I'm aware of that. Pegula hired a person who would do whatever he wanted him to do. What is obvious to everyone in the hockey business is that he hired a person that not only no other organization would have hired but also no organization would have even considered for an interview. The end result is that the owner got exactly what he wanted. And to no one's surprise, the irrelevant that he presides over continues to flounder. The lesson to be learned is that "mediocrity breeds mediocrity". 

What's confounding to me is that the owner has two franchises in his sports empire that should demonstrate the right way to function i.e. the Bills and Bandits. Both are resounding successes in their respective sports and also entertaining products with regular full houses. 

[Thorner]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm aware of that. Pegula hired a person who would do whatever he wanted him to do. What is obvious to everyone in the hockey business is that he hired a person that not only no other organization would have hired but also no organization would have even considered for an interview. The end result is that the owner got exactly what he wanted. And to no one's surprise, the irrelevant that he presides over continues to flounder. The lesson to be learned is that "mediocrity breeds mediocrity". 

What's confounding to me is that the owner has two franchises in his sports empire that should demonstrate the right way to function i.e. the Bills and Bandits. Both are resounding successes in their respective sports and also entertaining products with regular full houses. 

How do we know Adams can’t do the job if he’s only doing what Pegula wants? I keep hearing things like “only” and “all”, ie, Terry is making all the decisions.

if this was the case, 

a) we actually can’t tie anything negative (nor positive) to Kevyn Adams. He would be an unknown. I don’t think willingness to do what the GM says is a great argument against him as, who wouldn’t, if they were willing to pay you a professional salary to do it? Are you confident in saying, without a track record to go on, he’s unemployable as GM? 

b) for an oil guy, with literally zero qualifications to run a professional sports team, Terry is actually a relatively great NHL GM. Almost every year he’s constructing teams finishing ahead of some assembled by actual professionals.

That’s like my old ass playing in the nhl and finishing like 696th in scoring out of 700. Heck of a freaking accomplishment 

Edited December 5 by Thorner

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, Thorner said:

Hard disagree. The timeline employed is a central factor, maybe the utmost, in selecting the proper people. We cannot afford to elect for someone who proposes a long-form timeline 

 

I strenuously disagree. The Sabres are not devoid of talent on the roster and within the system. They have assets to parlay. A good hockey person at the helm should be able in a relatively short time span make enough judicious move to upgrade this roster. 

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

How do we know Adams can’t do the job if he’s only doing what Pegula wants? I keep hearing things like “only” and “all”, ie, Terry is making all the decisions.

You are answering your own question. If he could do the job, he wouldn't simply be Terry's yes man because that isn't doing the job. He would find ways to convince Terry of his better ideas. If he can't than he can't do the job. 

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

How do we know Adams can’t do the job if he’s only doing what Pegula wants? I keep hearing things like “only” and “all”, ie, Terry is making all the decisions.

if this was the case, 

a) we actually can’t tie anything negative (nor positive) to Kevyn Adams. He would be an unknown. I don’t think willingness to do what the GM says is a great argument against him as, who wouldn’t, if they were willing to pay you a professional salary to do it? Are you confident in saying, without a track record to go on, he’s unemployable as GM? 

b) for an oil guy, Terry is actually a relatively great GM 

Tell me what franchise would have considered KA as a GM candidate other than Pegula? 

[7+6=13]

It's actually pathetic that so many of you want to talk about this nonsense again.  As if it's some original thought.  Epic fail/thread.

[Thorner]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I strenuously disagree. The Sabres are not devoid of talent on the roster and within the system. They have assets to parlay. A good hockey person at the helm should be able in a relatively short time span make enough judicious move to upgrade this roster. 

Not sure what you are disagreeing with, then. We agree a short time span is necessary 

[mjd1001]

Just now, 7+6=13 said:

It's actually pathetic that so many of you want to talk about this nonsense again.  As if it's some original thought.  Epic fail/thread.

That is what a message board is for, talking about things and if more than 1 person wants to keep talking about it, than it is a converstation.

If we discussed something in the past, should it be off limits to ever talk about it again?  Who are you to decide if its a 'failure' because others want to talk about something that YOU PERSONALLY don't want to or need to hear? Geez.

[JohnC]

Just now, Thorner said:

Not sure what you are disagreeing with, then. We agree a short time span is necessary 

We do agree on that issue. What I'm arguing is that with smart stewardship this team can be back in the fray in short order. 

[Thorner]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You are answering your own question. If he could do the job, he wouldn't simply be Terry's yes man because that isn't doing the job. He would find ways to convince Terry of his better ideas. If he can't than he can't do the job. 

Right, I do hear that argument a lot and I get it. But like I’m pretty critical of Adams and even I struggle a bit with that one, as I pointed out. It’s sounds great in theory but how much can we really expect one man to punch above his weight in a power dynamic? Terry can buy and sell his sorry ass with ease. Not being able to MAKE or convince someone well above you in the chain of command to do it your way is sort of far down the list of things I’d blame Adams for tbh 

[Pimlach]

39 minutes ago, Stoner said:

TARO SEZ: TP NOT VERY CHARMIN'

I wish Steve was still here to read this ^

 

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/phantomsignmakers/71-8fbf275a-203a-4cf5-8f39-bdee5b94977b

 

Edited December 5 by Pimlach