Sabres announce Kevyn Adams will have media availability at 11:30 tomorrow

[Kristian]

11 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

You had three different GM’s and numerous coaches trying to right the ship. Buffalo isn’t a high destination city. 

And it has nothing to do with not making the playoffs as KA states. However, it has everything to do with every player and agent across the league knowing what a dysfunctional shitshow ownership and management is.

Buffalo is where careers go to die. Unless you’re lucky enough to get traded away from here, in which case you’ll probably win a cup.

[#freejame]

As if Kevyn Adams would ever go to war

[Archie Lee]

7 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

Necas I believe used us for leverage to sign in Carolina but I read somewhere Ehlers was onboard but wanted a long term deal. I guess Adams didn't want to block the future here and would rather keep losing.

I think it was the opposite with Ehlers. My recollection on the reporting (which was in itself, unverified insider stuff), was that Ehlers accepted a trade to Buffalo but was in no hurry to extend. This scared the Sabres off as the acquisition cost was high and they did not think they could risk losing Ehlers to free agency after only one year. All of these are rumours though. 

[OverPowerYou]

I think I’m done. I’ll check in after the Super Bowl 

[gomper]

6 hours ago, GoPuckYourself said:

It had to have been and I bet it would have had to been a massive overpay for him to come here, he only got a 2 year 13M contract from Carolina so either Adams is lying again or just didn't want him bad enough.

You're probably right.  The thing is, he has to know he has to overpay to get any type of quality player to come here. They have the $, pull the trigger and ignore the noise. I mean, really, what GM with ***** cares about what the media thinks? Lol. I know Don Sweeney doesn't. Adams just did the impossible and made things worse. The palm 🌴 comment will haunt him forever. 

Edited December 7 by gomper

[Carmel Corn]

3 hours ago, #freejame said:

As if Kevyn Adams would ever go to war

Kevyn would bring a knife to a gunfight….just like how he builds a hockey team.

[Pimlach]

20 hours ago, SabresBillsFan said:

I have to agree with one thing I read that Buffalo isn’t a free agent destination for big name players. They have to continue to build through the draft or make trades for some unknowns like Regier did.

Who are these unknowns that Regier traded for?   Drury and Briere were well known before they came to Buffalo.   Drury especially, he had Cups.  Grier was known.  Dumont was known.  

 

[SabresVet]

19 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You kidding? They literally traded Sam Reinhart a 50g scorer and Stanley cup winner to Florida for... magic beans. 

A like for like trade.  As in, moving Huberdeau fresh off a 115 point season for Tkachuck.

[Pimlach]

13 hours ago, kas23 said:

I’m not an NHL GM, nor do I play one on TV. Isn’t it known by now how to build a competitive team? Is it youth, a “generational” talent, defense, vets, what? In the NFL is easy to identify how to build a contender, yet harder to do. You need a great QB with weapons for him and an above average defense. A tried and true formula that works many more times than it doesn’t. So, why is it not clearly known how to build an NHL team? Isn’t there a clear history of how great teams are made? I feel KA is making this up as he goes. 

"Generational talent" is sort of a myth and is not needed to win a Cup.  You do need talent, lots of it.  

Who on Vegas is a generational talent?  Eichel?  Great player, but generational?   He  was not even the best player on that team in that year.  

What about Florida?  Who is generational?  

The whole concept of drafting McDavid was to get a generation talent and that is what got Buffalo into this mess.  

 

[SabresVet]

16 hours ago, ska-T Chitown said:

I'd challenge this, too. The Bills signed Mario Williams, at the time The premier defensive end in the NFL, during free agency. This was more than 10 years into the drought. Hyde and Poyer, although not all-pros yet, both signed before JA was JA.

Players will sign in Buffalo ... for the right money. Especially hockey players - most do NOT come from some big city, they are small town guys. Buffalo, the City, has a great reputation if your name in not Travis Henry or Evander Kane ...

The Sabres franchise is not a FA destination. Hell, most of the players grew up at a higher latitude than Buffalo. And heck - Buffalo is not even that cold! All BS lies by KA and it makes me MAD.

Mario Williams signed the largest UFA contract in NFL history when that deal went down which enticed him to go there.  Sabres aren't going to offer a UFA a record contract.  Hyde and Poyer signed a moderate and low end initial contract with the Bills...to play safety in a defense that featured them.  

And yet, Taylor Hall came to Buffalo just 4 years ago...when they paid him.  But that was before GM Kevyn all but destroyed the team's reputation by negotiating in public about Eichel and the surgery.  

Adams I think believed that pre-emptively signing younger players like Thompson, Cozens, Samuelsson, and Power to contracts before they'd been earned them would demonstrate the Sabres were a good destination.  Right now, only 1 of those guys is remotely earning it, and they're saddled with those contracts. 

[Stoner]

Here's what worries me. KA even agreeing to have this presser. It shows how much security he feels he has. Then his demeanor. Sarcastic and bordering on defiant. He laid it out. He was James Caan shoving a bunch of burning paper down that evil nurse's throat. Eat it! How about frankness we have rarely heard. The destination comment was quite frank. This is it, folks. Kevyn Adams ain't goin' nowhere. Pardon my French. And don't think Terry doesn't have the same disdain for the media and the fans.

This is a rolling disaster.

[darksabre]

3 minutes ago, Stoner said:

Here's what worries me. KA even agreeing to have this presser. It shows how much security he feels he has. Then his demeanor. Sarcastic and bordering on defiant. He laid it out. He was James Caan shoving a bunch of burning paper down that evil nurse's throat. Eat it! How about frankness we have rarely heard. The destination comment was quite frank. This is it, folks. Kevyn Adams ain't goin' nowhere. Pardon my French. And don't think Terry doesn't have the same disdain for the media and the fans.

This is a rolling disaster.

Exactly. Adams is an extension of Pegula. 

[bunomatic]

4 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Exactly. Adams is an extension of Pegula. 

He’s a real dick

[mjd1001]

9 hours ago, Kristian said:

And it has nothing to do with not making the playoffs as KA states. However, it has everything to do with every player and agent across the league knowing what a dysfunctional shitshow ownership and management is.

Buffalo is where careers go to die. Unless you’re lucky enough to get traded away from here, in which case you’ll probably win a cup.

So, you are saying going to buffalo for a player is the 'temporary step back' that allows you to 'spring forward' to your ultimate goal later in your career?

Maybe they should market that to free agents. Show a chart of some kind in a presentation that shows all the players who had success after they left Buffalo. Say the Sabres are a step along the way to your ultimate goal.

8 minutes ago, Stoner said:

Here's what worries me. KA even agreeing to have this presser. It shows how much security he feels he has. Then his demeanor. Sarcastic and bordering on defiant. He laid it out. He was James Caan shoving a bunch of burning paper down that evil nurse's throat. Eat it! How about frankness we have rarely heard. The destination comment was quite frank. This is it, folks. Kevyn Adams ain't goin' nowhere. Pardon my French. And don't think Terry doesn't have the same disdain for the media and the fans.

This is a rolling disaster.

I did not get that at all from him.

[Kristian]

2 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Exactly. Adams is an extension of Pegula. 

I have no doubt Terry wants to win. Only problem is, he only wants to win *his* way.

Initially, by pointing out free agents he wanted signed. Then by tanking for talent. Then by trading for talent. Now by winning only with homegrown talent.

He’s gonna show us scummy, know-nothing fans how smart he is, and win a cup, *his* way.

Just at tiiiiiiiny flaw in that plan. It’s *****…..

2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

So, you are saying going to buffalo for a player is the 'temporary step back' that allows you to 'spring forward' to your ultimate goal later in your career?

Maybe they should market that to free agents. Show a chart of some kind in a presentation that shows all the players who had success after they left Buffalo. Say the Sabres are a step along the way to your ultimate goal.

I did not get that at all from him.

Nah, mostly the “Buffalo is where careers go to die” bit.

[DarthEbriate]

17 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

So, you are saying going to buffalo for a player is the 'temporary step back' that allows you to 'spring forward' to your ultimate goal later in your career?

Maybe they should market that to free agents. Show a chart of some kind in a presentation that shows all the players who had success after they left Buffalo. Say the Sabres are a step along the way to your ultimate goal.

I will laugh when Joker skates with the Cup this year after logging 15:00/game in the Final as an injury fill-in 6D. And I'll be very happy for Henri (unless the losing team in the Final is the Sabres... but, the odds of the Sabres successfully winning the Eastern Conference are app... Shut up!).

[Pimlach]

I think it is safe to say that Buffalo, the City, is not the problem.   Many of these players are from colder climates.  When the big NHL contracts come,  is anyone really worried about paying the taxes differences from state to state.  They can make big money, and taxes are not preventing a very comfortable lifestyle for their families along with long term security, unlike any that they came from.  

The reputation of the Buffalo Sabres Organization is the problem, and its a big one.  It goes back before Adams, but Adams has added on to the poor reputation and he needs to own it and fix it.  

I watched the presser a second time, the first time I listened on the radio.  I don't think Adams said anything to make the fan base feel better.  Despite his smirking and odd body language, he started out ok.  But then the excuses came.  Adams comment and eyeroll "I wish you were their agent" part was classic but Paul kept pressing, "why did you not get another Zucker" with that cap money?    

If the rest of the league cares enough to watch this video, I think it is safe to say that Adams did not help the teams position as a serious hockey organization and a good destination for players.   

At least he showed up, but even this event adds to the folly.  

 

Edited December 7 by Pimlach

[Stoner]

24 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I think it is safe to say that Buffalo, the City, is not the problem.   Many of these players are from colder climates.  When the big NHL contracts come,  is anyone really worried about paying the taxes differences from state to state.  They can make big money, and taxes are not preventing a very comfortable lifestyle for their families along with long term security, unlike any that they came from.  

The reputation of the Buffalo Sabres Organization is the problem, and its a big one.  It goes back before Adams, but Adams has added on to the poor reputation and he needs to own it and fix it.  

I watched the presser a second time, the first time I listened on the radio.  I don't think Adams said anything to make the fan base feel better.  Despite his smirking and odd body language, he started out ok.  But then the excuses came.  Adams comment and eyeroll "I wish you were their agent" part was classic but Paul kept pressing, "why did you not get another Zucker" with that cap money?    

If the rest of the league cares enough to watch this video, I think it is safe to say that Adams did not help the teams position as a serious hockey organization and a good destination for players.   

At least he showed up, but even this event adds to the folly.  

 

Why do you think he agreed to do it?

[Pimlach]

2 minutes ago, Stoner said:

Why do you think he agreed to do it?

The media requested it when they were shut out after the Avalanche in Buffalo. 

He agreed because he probably wanted to shelter Lindy and the players, which is noble of him if true.   

Tensions must be high.  He probably did not want the coaches and players distracted by the media so he took the hits, besides he is accountable for the on ice product too. 

In this way he can defuse, spin, and control the messaging and the players and coaches can move forward and try to fix things.   They need more next game mentality.  

[Jorcus]

20 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I think it is safe to say that Buffalo, the City, is not the problem.   Many of these players are from colder climates.  When the big NHL contracts come,  is anyone really worried about paying the taxes differences from state to state.  They can make big money, and taxes are not preventing a very comfortable lifestyle for their families along with long term security, unlike any that they came from.  

The reputation of the Buffalo Sabres Organization is the problem, and its a big one.  It goes back before Adams, but Adams has added on to the poor reputation and he needs to own it and fix it.  

I watched the presser a second time, the first time I listened on the radio.  I don't think Adams said anything to make the fan base feel better.  Despite his smirking and odd body language, he started out ok.  But then the excuses came.  Adams comment and eyeroll "I wish you were their agent" part was classic but Paul kept pressing, "why did you not get another Zucker" with that cap money?    

If the rest of the league cares enough to watch this video, I think it is safe to say that Adams did not help the teams position as a serious hockey organization and a good destination for players.   

At least he showed up, but even this event adds to the folly.  

 

 

I would say you are right about it not being the city problem for many players. It is the nature of NHL contracts though that prevent a lot of trades. Playing GM in the box I have been looking through teams that want to sell and just about every player you would want has some type of no trade or no movement clause. Adams just admitted what a lot of people claim in this forum that it's harder to get players to come here, at least for right now. Truth be told there was nothing Adams could have said that was going to make anybody happy. He did make it worse by the palm tree statement but he has been consistent about the team building approach. 

The one thing about getting another forward which is a thing we certainly need, it's not just the money we have to clear a roster spot. We have 2 choices, Send Juri back down and put Quinn back in or trade a forward to try and get a better one. This Quinn problem has to be solved.

[bunomatic]

Not sure anyone has noticed but when Quinn is in the lineup when the camera pans past the bench he is often laughing or has a big ***** eating grin on his face. Seems he’s in a pretty good place. No pressure,no problem. Much the way it was for these guys when Granato was coach. I was hoping Lindy would bring the heat to this group but he’s proving to be an old softy as well. I just want to  know if Quinn(and others) know how this looks to the fans when the players appear to be enjoying the show more than the fans are.

[Flashsabre]

So the Pegula legacy went from “Creating Hockey Heaven” to “We don’t have Palm Trees so don’t expect anything good”.  
 

How do you look in the mirror when you own a team and don’t make the playoffs once in 14 years? 

[EM88]

10 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

So the Pegula legacy went from “Creating Hockey Heaven” to “We don’t have Palm Trees so don’t expect anything good”.  
 

How do you look in the mirror when you own a team and don’t make the playoffs once in 14 years? 

Ok, the palm tree warm city thing.

I am sure there is something to it. When you are in your 20's and have millions of dollars, you can show off or enjoy your house and fancy car and use your swimming pool on an off day in the season better than you can in a northern, colder city.

But, a lot of these guys, most of these guys, are from colder climates.  Just as much as I say there is something to it, I also think there are people that do not like those warm climates.  I know people who are miserable up north if the temperature goes above 80 degrees, and don't mind shoveling the driveway, going skiing or ice skating outdoors when it is in the 20's.

[kas23]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

"Generational talent" is sort of a myth and is not needed to win a Cup.  You do need talent, lots of it.  

Who on Vegas is a generational talent?  Eichel?  Great player, but generational?   He  was not even the best player on that team in that year.  

What about Florida?  Who is generational?  

The whole concept of drafting McDavid was to get a generation talent and that is what got Buffalo into this mess.  

 

I was thinking more along the lines of Pittsburgh’s or Chicago’s past successes. But, still, we can all be on board that a generational talent alone simply doesn’t work. At least not anymore. 
 

I guess KA is hung up on how Tampa Bay constructed their roster. Or the Canes. 

Edited December 7 by kas23

[Mango]

“We’re not a destination, nobody wants to be here” is bulletin board material coaches use from taking heads to get the team going.

WTF is the org supposed to do when the messaging comes from inside the org?
 

Somebody should ask Lindy about that? WTF do you do as a coach when the call is coming from inside the house?