GDT: Winnipeg Jets @ Buffalo Sabres 12/5/24 --7 pm MSG

[Kristian]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Saw a couple of those (drive-bys in the defensive zone) from Thompson late in the game. Immensely talented dude, but yikes.

Tage is the worst floater on this team, and that’s saying something.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, OverPowerYou said:

The bills will win a Super Bowl before the Sabres make the playoffs. Think long and hard about that. What is the Sabres reason for existence again ?

Well yeah. The Super Bowl will be played before this season is even over. 

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

They were in a suite 

The parents were, but weren't the others in the empty section below it? I might have it wrong it was the TSN broadcast and they don't know much about Buffalo. 

[#freejame]

I had fun at the game. 200s are a significant upgrade over anywhere else in the rink. Would have been nice to win or to lose worse so we could have boo’d. 

[JohnC]

I thought the Sabres played hard throughout. If they would have played the same way from start to finish in the Colorado game, they would have won.

I thought Byram was our best player. I also liked the play of Power.  I was critical of the Mitts trade but have become more favorable to it. The Mitts trade would have made more sense from a roster building standpoint if the GM would have added another second line player this offseason. 

During the losing streak, what is evident is that we don't have enough finishers. The lack of scoring is evident. Tage seems to be our main threat, and the opposition is adjusting to him. 

Our PP is awful. 

The disallowance of the Kosak goal was perplexing. The rule should be interpreted that the interference has to affect the play. There is too much traffic and battling for positions around the goal mouth to expect no contact at all, especially incidental contact where the goalie is not impaired. 

What's become obvious is that UPL is establishing himself as our #1 goalie. He's earned that role because of his consistently good play. 

It's a disappointing loss where at least we got a loser point. I can't complain about a lack of effort. 

[nucci]

7 hours ago, Kristian said:

Tage is the worst floater on this team, and that’s saying something.

Actually he's a really good floater, one of the best.

[Pimlach]

Good effort, but just one point.  The overturned goal was rough.  

We have lost all 5 games since the West Coast trip, picking up just 2 out of 10 possible points.  

We now have to pass 5 teams for 8th in the conference.  More sobering, we are just 2 points ahead of Montreal for last place. 

We are going the wrong way.   

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Good effort, but just one point.  The overturned goal was rough.  

We have lost all 5 games since the West Coast trip, picking up just 2 out of 10 possible points.  

We now have to pass 5 teams for 8th in the conference.  More sobering, we are just 2 points ahead of Montreal for last place. 

We are going the wrong way.   

At best, this team can be clawing for a lower playoff qualifying position. The GM and organization overestimated the roster and the progress the young players were going to make. A GM's responsibility is to not only assess his talent but to do so in comparison to the rest of the league. The GM miscalculated in his assessment. Now, what you see is what you get. We're stuck where we are because we are what we are. Reality sucks, especially when a few more smart moves could have made a difference. 

[Brawndo]

6 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

The parents were, but weren't the others in the empty section below it? I might have it wrong it was the TSN broadcast and they don't know much about Buffalo. 

That’s the 200 level which is premium seating-MSG only showed the suite on the broadcast last night 

[Indabuff]

10 hours ago, rickshaw said:

 

Cozens will never be what he truly could have been because of that stupid, ill-advised fight 

Had to rewatch that "fight".  Goddam that last punch he ate was brutal.  

[rickshaw]

8 minutes ago, Indabuff said:

Had to rewatch that "fight".  Goddam that last punch he ate was brutal.  

It is so cringy. And he’s never been the same since. 

[DarthEbriate]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Good effort, but just one point.  The overturned goal was rough.  

We have lost all 5 games since the West Coast trip, picking up just 2 out of 10 possible points.  

We now have to pass 5 teams for 8th in the conference.  More sobering, we are just 2 points ahead of Montreal for last place. 

We are going the wrong way.   

Get goalied by the (tied for) best record in the league: OK, yeah, that happens. Lost in OT, hey, loser point. Lose the back end of a back-to-back on the road: understandable. Lose to the Avalanche: sure, I can see that. Lose to the (tied for) best record in the league in OT: yep, that's something that happens. 

Ahh, but string them all together, put 4 of 5 them at home, [edit: I forgot, and blow a 4-goal lead in on one of the non-OTL games] and it's very, very disheartening. 

The most sobering is still this: Sabres vs. the "non-SC contender" East teams: PIT, CLB, DET, NYI, OTT, MTL, PHI: 2-6-1.

Bad against remotes is one thing, bad against bottom feeders? That's something else.

Edited December 6 by DarthEbriate

[Pimlach]

47 minutes ago, JohnC said:

At best, this team can be clawing for a lower playoff qualifying position. The GM and organization overestimated the roster and the progress the young players were going to make. A GM's responsibility is to not only assess his talent but to do so in comparison to the rest of the league. The GM miscalculated in his assessment. Now, what you see is what you get. We're stuck where we are because we are what we are. Reality sucks, especially when a few more smart moves could have made a difference. 

Your paragraph also applies to last season as well.  Tells me something about the pace Adams works at.  

On the plus side UPL has emerged as a #1, Byram is playing well, and few good vets have been added (at least temporarily).   

I think Adams needs to look closely at whoever he sees as "Core" to build around and re-evaluate.  Dahlin, Thompson, Cozens, Muel, Power, and UPL  - those are the ones he paid so far.   After the season you have decisions on Byram, Peterka, and Quinn.       I can see at least 5 of these 9 helping the team in the future.  Maybe 6.   The others should be moved to refresh the group.  

Looking at these three helpful vets - Greenway, McLeod, and Zucker will be free to go next season.  Tuch has one more year after this one.  I don't see anyone in Rochester that provides what they bring either.  

[Stoner]

16 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Get goalied by the (tied for) best record in the league: OK, yeah, that happens. Lost in OT, hey, loser point. Lose the back end of a back-to-back on the road: understandable. Lose to the Avalanche: sure, I can see that. Lose to the (tied for) best record in the league in OT: yep, that's something that happens. 

Ahh, but string them all together, put 4 of 5 them at home, and it's very, very disheartening. 

The most sobering is still this: Sabres vs. the "non-SC contender" East teams: PIT, CLB, DET, NYI, OTT, MTL, PHI: 2-6-1.

Bad against remotes is one thing, bad against bottom feeders? That's something else.

Narrator: The Sabres are bottom feeders.

[bunomatic]

1 minute ago, Stoner said:

Narrator: The Sabres are bottom feeders.

We are the shite bottom feeders feed on.😳

[Pimlach]

15 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Get goalied by the (tied for) best record in the league: OK, yeah, that happens. Lost in OT, hey, loser point. Lose the back end of a back-to-back on the road: understandable. Lose to the Avalanche: sure, I can see that. Lose to the (tied for) best record in the league in OT: yep, that's something that happens. 

Ahh, but string them all together, put 4 of 5 them at home, and it's very, very disheartening. 

The most sobering is still this: Sabres vs. the "non-SC contender" East teams: PIT, CLB, DET, NYI, OTT, MTL, PHI: 2-6-1.

Bad against remotes is one thing, bad against bottom feeders? That's something else.

The bolded is rationalizations and they should have at least 6 of the last 10 points.  

East teams: PIT, CLB, DET, NYI, OTT, MTL, PHI: 2-6-1  -   These teams look at Buffalo and refuse to yield to them, they will not let the Sabres pass them without a fight.   The Sabres soft play and weak mentality hold them back.  

[Jorcus]

A few comments on last nights game.

If I hear Kulich in with a chance instead of Kulich scores one more time I think I am going to therapy. I have been pretty impressed with his overall game but his lack of scoring has gotten into his head to the point where he is not sure if he should shoot. I do think there will be a turning point where he breaks out but it has been hard to watch. 

The zone entry's on the power play were better than the other night. Overall it still needs to be better. I don't think I like Krebs on the second unit. I only remember one drop back pass to the the two trailing forwards and that was Byram who did it correctly where he was confronted by the attacking forward dropped the puck back and engaged the Jet opening a path for entry to the zone. 

It sounds like Lindy is of the mind to call a review on just about every questionable goalie interference. I did not think I would have called the review at that time of the game. If Lindy wants to cut down on penalties he should start with himself.  

[OverPowerYou]

10 hours ago, shrader said:

Well yeah. The Super Bowl will be played before this season is even over. 

I’m referring to the last 12 years as well 

[Pimlach]

14 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

A few comments on last nights game.

If I hear Kulich in with a chance instead of Kulich scores one more time I think I am going to therapy. I have been pretty impressed with his overall game but his lack of scoring has gotten into his head to the point where he is not sure if he should shoot. I do think there will be a turning point where he breaks out but it has been hard to watch. 

The zone entry's on the power play were better than the other night. Overall it still needs to be better. I don't think I like Krebs on the second unit. I only remember one drop back pass to the the two trailing forwards and that was Byram who did it correctly where he was confronted by the attacking forward dropped the puck back and engaged the Jet opening a path for entry to the zone. 

It sounds like Lindy is of the mind to call a review on just about every questionable goalie interference. I did not think I would have called the review at that time of the game. If Lindy wants to cut down on penalties he should start with himself.  

Kulich has been a nice surprise but he is still not ready to be a full time NHL forward.  He is close.   Buffalo will probably keep Kulich up since his game has passed Quinn. 

In other news: 

• Kozak looked interested in staying in the NHL
• Krebs on PP2 speak volumes
• This teams center spline is not good  

 

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Stoner said:

Narrator: The Sabres are bottom feeders.

And have been for quite some time.

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

The bolded is rationalizations and they should have at least 6 of the last 10 points.  

East teams: PIT, CLB, DET, NYI, OTT, MTL, PHI: 2-6-1  -   These teams look at Buffalo and refuse to yield to them, they will not let the Sabres pass them without a fight.   The Sabres soft play and weak mentality hold them back.  

I can see his point that any one or two of the rationalizations, by themselves, are not so bad. Like, each one on its own merits holds up. But all 5 back-to-back ... ugh, gross.

[WhenWillItEnd66]

I have to admit, I enjoy watching the games when I can care less about the outcomes. They actually did not look too bad but it looked more like boys playing against men. This team is far away from being hard to play against.  Other teams are bigger faster and more aggressive then this team could not be even in their wildest dreams.  This is why 14 years is almost in the bag.  We are always 2 steps behind the power curve.

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, Indabuff said:

Had to rewatch that "fight".  Goddam that last punch he ate was brutal.  

If one punch will forever change the way you play the game, GTFO my team.  

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Your paragraph also applies to last season as well.  Tells me something about the pace Adams works at.  

On the plus side UPL has emerged as a #1, Byram is playing well, and few good vets have been added (at least temporarily).   

I think Adams needs to look closely at whoever he sees as "Core" to build around and re-evaluate.  Dahlin, Thompson, Cozens, Muel, Power, and UPL  - those are the ones he paid so far.   After the season you have decisions on Byram, Peterka, and Quinn.       I can see at least 5 of these 9 helping the team in the future.  Maybe 6.   The others should be moved to refresh the group.  

Looking at these three helpful vets - Greenway, McLeod, and Zucker will be free to go next season.  Tuch has one more year after this one.  I don't see anyone in Rochester that provides what they bring either.  

I just want to focus on Quinn and how he not meeting most of our expectations entering the season has hurt this team. Speaking for myself, I thought he was going to springboard into a 30-goal season. What a difference that would have made for this team and the line he was on. Not knowing the actual source of his struggles, based on what I have seen so far, it seems mostly to relate to his loss of confidence due to not regaining the pop he had before his leg injuries. Sometimes it takes more than a year after the structural healing of an injury to get that lively bounce back to your legs. I'm just conjecturing here but something is definitely off with his game. And without question, not elevating his game to most of our expectations has set this team back. To say the least, very disappointing. It would be terrific if he could find his game again. 

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

That’s the 200 level which is premium seating-MSG only showed the suite on the broadcast last night 

It was all empty below it. So I guess nobody's paying for premium seating. Understandable.