This situation is toxic...

[PerreaultForever]

I hate the word "toxic" as it's the most overused word around today and gets way over used in all the woke political nonsense but yes, maybe it is the right word for the Sabres now. There's a fair bit of environmental discussion that says frakking leaves a lot of "toxic" land and water behind it so maybe it's just something Terry has to do 😉

There's a solution that won't happen. Terry sells the team and/or moves it to another city. Buffalo gets an expansion team with a new owner. Complete toxic free start over. It will of course never happen but probably should. 

The only other solution I see is Terry sells it and it stays with a new owner who hires respected hockey people to run it and they tear it down and rebuild it into a "destination city". 

Destination city stuff should be *****. Sure there's taxes, but that holds for every Canadian team and most of the league to some degree. Buffalo used to be a great destination and as a border town if you can't get Canadian players interested in being there you are doing something incredibly wrong. 

[JP51]

56 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I hate the word "toxic" as it's the most overused word around today and gets way over used in all the woke political nonsense but yes, maybe it is the right word for the Sabres now. There's a fair bit of environmental discussion that says frakking leaves a lot of "toxic" land and water behind it so maybe it's just something Terry has to do 😉

There's a solution that won't happen. Terry sells the team and/or moves it to another city. Buffalo gets an expansion team with a new owner. Complete toxic free start over. It will of course never happen but probably should. 

The only other solution I see is Terry sells it and it stays with a new owner who hires respected hockey people to run it and they tear it down and rebuild it into a "destination city". 

Destination city stuff should be *****. Sure there's taxes, but that holds for every Canadian team and most of the league to some degree. Buffalo used to be a great destination and as a border town if you can't get Canadian players interested in being there you are doing something incredibly wrong. 

agreed, and if you are a contender and players dont want to come because of the weather or whatever I dont want them... I want the ones who spend their waking moments trying to win everything they do and want to be surrounded by the same things...  I mean look, Bowman stayed here regardless of team on the 14th fairway of transit valley cc, Neale, Sittler, Dionne, all moved here... Ray, Peters, Biron, et al... if you cant get people to come here look at yourself KA not the weather... 

[ska-T Palmtown]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I hate the word "toxic" as it's the most overused word around today and gets way over used in all the woke political nonsense but yes, maybe it is the right word for the Sabres now. There's a fair bit of environmental discussion that says frakking leaves a lot of "toxic" land and water behind it so maybe it's just something Terry has to do 😉

There's a solution that won't happen. Terry sells the team and/or moves it to another city. Buffalo gets an expansion team with a new owner. Complete toxic free start over. It will of course never happen but probably should. 

The only other solution I see is Terry sells it and it stays with a new owner who hires respected hockey people to run it and they tear it down and rebuild it into a "destination city". 

Destination city stuff should be *****. Sure there's taxes, but that holds for every Canadian team and most of the league to some degree. Buffalo used to be a great destination and as a border town if you can't get Canadian players interested in being there you are doing something incredibly wrong. 

I don't buy that it is all the players fault. Yes, there are some (toxic/cancer/troublemakers/hooligans) out there - but by and large a good coach/manager can fix those things. At the point where the manager/coach starts to call out their BS, the offending party becomes akin to a bully. Once the "good apples" see someone is working to fix the problem, they tend to band together and become more vocal against the "bad seed".

For the case where there is NOT a bad apple in the lockerroom (which I believe is the case), what you have is talented people (yes, professional athletes are talented. period. 🙂 ) who lack a leader. It is sad the players don't have a MacKinnon or Crosby, but let's be honest those players are few and far between. Often the leadership comes from the coaching staff. I think too many current Sabres players have gone too long without that. Look at our outsiders: Zucks, McLoedsie (?), the 4th line guys - no one has voiced any concerns about their effort levels. There have been some very odd calls from a few folks to run them out of town because the 4th line guys are not on pace for 50 pts each or other such silliness. But they skate hard, they *backcheck*, they hound the puck. Benson only had one year under the "hey, go play and hope for the best" regime, so he seems like he is not broken - honestly, I think he becomes MORE tenacious each game.

Maybe Zucker (or Benson?) needs to just slam their helmet down after the game and be like "GUYS!! what the F*CK are we DOING out there??? Gawd!" "Tage, I swear to whatever higher power you believe in, if I see you coast on the back check ONE. MORE. TIME. I will fight you on the ice myself!" 🤷‍♀️

[nucci]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I hate the word "toxic" as it's the most overused word around today and gets way over used in all the woke political nonsense but yes, maybe it is the right word for the Sabres now. There's a fair bit of environmental discussion that says frakking leaves a lot of "toxic" land and water behind it so maybe it's just something Terry has to do 😉

There's a solution that won't happen. Terry sells the team and/or moves it to another city. Buffalo gets an expansion team with a new owner. Complete toxic free start over. It will of course never happen but probably should. 

The only other solution I see is Terry sells it and it stays with a new owner who hires respected hockey people to run it and they tear it down and rebuild it into a "destination city". 

Destination city stuff should be *****. Sure there's taxes, but that holds for every Canadian team and most of the league to some degree. Buffalo used to be a great destination and as a border town if you can't get Canadian players interested in being there you are doing something incredibly wrong. 

kinda like locker room cancer?

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, JP51 said:

agreed, and if you are a contender and players dont want to come because of the weather or whatever I dont want them... I want the ones who spend their waking moments trying to win everything they do and want to be surrounded by the same things...  I mean look, Bowman stayed here regardless of team on the 14th fairway of transit valley cc, Neale, Sittler, Dionne, all moved here... Ray, Peters, Biron, et al... if you cant get people to come here look at yourself KA not the weather... 

It's only in the Pegula era that this don't want to come here thing has emerged. It's reasonable. I mean would you? Nobody likes losing. 

[JP51]

5 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

It's only in the Pegula era that this don't want to come here thing has emerged. It's reasonable. I mean would you? Nobody likes losing. 

This is true I think players are fairly reasonable but if you are so dysfunctional for so long I wouldn't go there and I used to live there

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, ska-T Chitown said:

I don't buy that it is all the players fault. Yes, there are some (toxic/cancer/troublemakers/hooligans) out there - but by and large a good coach/manager can fix those things. At the point where the manager/coach starts to call out their BS, the offending party becomes akin to a bully. Once the "good apples" see someone is working to fix the problem, they tend to band together and become more vocal against the "bad seed".

For the case where there is NOT a bad apple in the lockerroom (which I believe is the case), what you have is talented people (yes, professional athletes are talented. period. 🙂 ) who lack a leader. It is sad the players don't have a MacKinnon or Crosby, but let's be honest those players are few and far between. Often the leadership comes from the coaching staff. I think too many current Sabres players have gone too long without that. Look at our outsiders: Zucks, McLoedsie (?), the 4th line guys - no one has voiced any concerns about their effort levels. There have been some very odd calls from a few folks to run them out of town because the 4th line guys are not on pace for 50 pts each or other such silliness. But they skate hard, they *backcheck*, they hound the puck. Benson only had one year under the "hey, go play and hope for the best" regime, so he seems like he is not broken - honestly, I think he becomes MORE tenacious each game.

Maybe Zucker (or Benson?) needs to just slam their helmet down after the game and be like "GUYS!! what the F*CK are we DOING out there??? Gawd!" "Tage, I swear to whatever higher power you believe in, if I see you coast on the back check ONE. MORE. TIME. I will fight you on the ice myself!" 🤷‍♀️

lol, I suspect that is why he was left off of the USA 4 Nations roster. 

Leadership has definitely been a big problem and still is. I still say Dahlin as captain was repeating the same mistake they made when they named Eichel captain instead of ROR. I wondered when Adams tore it down if Dahlin had too much loser stink on him and should have gone with the big 3 and I still wonder that now. To be clear that is not to suggest that Dahlin is the problem, far from it, but all the guys who have lived through the stink and accepted it at some point are also tainted by it. 

[PerreaultForever]

4 minutes ago, JP51 said:

This is true I think players are fairly reasonable but if you are so dysfunctional for so long I wouldn't go there and I used to live there

In the old days there were a lot of Canadian Sabres who wanted to remain Canadian and they lived in St. Catherines or around that area. Short drive over the bridge. Nowadays they are so rich they just buy a condo in Buffalo and go somewhere in the off season so the border proximity isn't quite as attractive, but the weather certainly isn't a negative. Lots of them come from Northern climates. 

[JP51]

2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

In the old days there were a lot of Canadian Sabres who wanted to remain Canadian and they lived in St. Catherines or around that area. Short drive over the bridge. Nowadays they are so rich they just buy a condo in Buffalo and go somewhere in the off season so the border proximity isn't quite as attractive, but the weather certainly isn't a negative. Lots of them come from Northern climates. 

This is totally about the dysfunction of the organization and the stench of an almost 2 full decades of ineptitude and neglect ... and again if some one doesn't wanna come here to win cause of the weather I don't want them. But we need to show we are a contender first.  Our GM would be extatic with a 1st round playoff loss... celebrating yeah! We are finally mediocre... 

[bunomatic]

13 hours ago, JP51 said:

This is totally about the dysfunction of the organization and the stench of an almost 2 full decades of ineptitude and neglect ... and again if some one doesn't wanna come here to win cause of the weather I don't want them. But we need to show we are a contender first.  Our GM would be extatic with a 1st round playoff loss... celebrating yeah! We are finally mediocre... 

KAs mantra-baby steps

[JP51]

On 12/7/2024 at 11:27 AM, bunomatic said:

KAs mantra-baby steps

I used to think baby steps but after that press conference it was more like "no one puts baby in the corner"

[Carmel Corn]

On 12/7/2024 at 11:27 AM, bunomatic said:

KAs mantra-baby steps

 

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

I used to think baby steps but after that press conference it was more like "no one puts baby in the corner"

I think the baby (Adams) finally crapped in his diaper at the presser.

[steveoat87]

In order to save his own ass, is it possible that Adams tries to put the blame on Lindy, and Lindy is fired?

[Mr Peabody]

4 minutes ago, steveoat87 said:

In order to save his own ass, is it possible that Adams tries to put the blame on Lindy, and Lindy is fired?

I think it would require a player revolt for TP to allow that. 

[Pimlach]

36 minutes ago, steveoat87 said:

In order to save his own ass, is it possible that Adams tries to put the blame on Lindy, and Lindy is fired?

Then Pegula will be paying Granato and Ruff not to coach.  So that answer is probably no.   

 

 

[steveoat87]

21 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Then Pegula will be paying Granato and Ruff not to coach.  So that answer is probably no.   

 

 

So for someone logical the conclusion is that the problem is not the coach (though I don't think Granato was a good coach).

[JP51]

5 hours ago, steveoat87 said:

In order to save his own ass, is it possible that Adams tries to put the blame on Lindy, and Lindy is fired?

Adams is such a weasel i wouldn't put it past him... but in the end if after what he has seen this is acceptable to Pegula there is no one that can help him

[JP51]

5 hours ago, steveoat87 said:

So for someone logical the conclusion is that the problem is not the coach (though I don't think Granato was a good coach).

Totally agree with this they gave Lindy a pig and a tube of lipstick and said make me a super model...

 

[LTS]

19 hours ago, steveoat87 said:

In order to save his own ass, is it possible that Adams tries to put the blame on Lindy, and Lindy is fired?

Adams is from Buffalo, but he never created success for Buffalo.

Lindy is Buffalo.

I mean, is it possible?  Sure. Adams was dumb enough to quote palm trees and taxes. Even if he attempts to blame Lindy it would only be to Pegula and I don't think Pegula would listen to it.

Now, I don't think Lindy is blameless by a long stretch and certainly Pegula is the ultimate problem to date, but Adams has not done what he said he was going to do.

[JP51]

On 12/16/2024 at 9:47 AM, LTS said:

Adams is from Buffalo, but he never created success for Buffalo.

Lindy is Buffalo.

I mean, is it possible?  Sure. Adams was dumb enough to quote palm trees and taxes. Even if he attempts to blame Lindy it would only be to Pegula and I don't think Pegula would listen to it.

Now, I don't think Lindy is blameless by a long stretch and certainly Pegula is the ultimate problem to date, but Adams has not done what he said he was going to do.

I agree here, there is plenty of blame to go around... I think when you literally look from top to bottom... right to the players and asst coaching... they are all failures... Adams, Pegula, Ellis, Cozens... who ever you want to lump in... no one has improved the situation... the word is culture... it is the culture of the organization that started a long long time ago... I literally think those inside the building are actually numb to it at this point... walking around like zombies resigned to their fate... and Pegula fiddling while it all burns cause he likes and trusts the people that he hired and they always tell him yes...  and then he immerses himself in the Bills....  I almost think Toxic is too tame a word at this point... 

[LabattBlue]

1900+ “listings” on seatgeek for Fridays game.  I hope there is the most embarrassing number of Leaf fans ever at KBC. 
 

…and if the Sabres lose, I would love for a Sabre to say after the game, “I don’t blame the fans one bit”.
 

Toxic?  Absolutely! FU Pegula. 

Edited December 18 by LabattBlue

[JP51]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

1900+ “listings” on seatgeek for Fridays game.  I hope there is the most embarrassing number of Leaf fans ever at KBC. 
 

…and if the Sabres lose, I would love for a Sabre to say after the game, “I don’t blame the fans one bit”.
 

Toxic?  Absolutely! FU Pegula. 

That would be something the only time there is pervasive cheering in the arena is leafs fans