Enough Already - Terry Fire Adams and Sell the Team! - This is actually a positive thread.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Terry you have driven this franchise into the ground.  Do yourself and the city and the fans a favor fire your Yes-Man Adams and sell the team.   Give a willing owner the chance to hire competent management to fix this team.  There is actually enough here to build from, but you and Adams are not the men for the job.

The sad thing is that there is a core of something that could work, but the team is so mismanaged and the roster so poorly constructed the puzzle pieces will never work without a fresh look

This is what we really have 

????? Tage Tuch

Benson ????? JJP

Quinn ?????  Greenway

?????? McLeod ??????  

 

Dahlin  ??????

Byram ??????

??????  ?????

 

UPL

??????

To make this work Power, Cozens, Byrson, Joki, Krebs, Samuelsson, and Clifton all need to go.  I like Zucker and I'd keep him until the deadline, trade him and then bring him back on another one year smaller deal.  We need two playmakers hopefully at center.  We need partners with a bent toward defensive play for Dahlin and Byram.  We also need our D to be tougher and more physical.  

Edited 14 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[Kristian]

I only read “sell the team” and hit the like button. That’s enough for me.

[Wyldnwoody44]

I was yelling some fun, distasteful things on the way out.... Mostly about Kevyn and Terry. 

[PerreaultForever]

I agree but there's an easier fix. Elevate Ruff to director of all hockey operations (so above Adams) with full control and move down to Florida and just count your cash Terry. 

But ya, Terry gone is what i have wanted for a long time. 

[zow2]

I've wanted Terry to sell the team for over 4 years now.  Any new owner would come in and accidently fall into better hires and player performances than what Terry has done.   

[JP51]

The level of incompetence and disdain literally knows no bounds. 

[Stoner]

21 minutes ago, JP51 said:

The level of incompetence and disdain literally knows no bounds. 

Disdain rings true with me. The owner simply doesn't speak to the fans. If I had to guess I'd say getting booed on RJ night was some version of marital irreconcilable differences.

[Carmel Corn]

Selling the team means moving the team as well…..which may seem like the lesser of the evils after last night’s embarrassment.

[mjd1001]

I have argued with many that I think the problem is more Pegula than Adams or any other GM.  We can go back and forth on who is the biggest problem all day.

But yeah, I think MOST (not all but most) will accept that Pegula is at least some sort of problem.  It just feels like, and over a decade of missing the playoffs seems to confirm...that this team is in need a a major reset. A reset bigger than trading any few players can bring. A reset bigger than bringing in a new GM can bring.  It needs all of that and probably more (Pegula).

This thought enters my mind quite a bit:  Selling the team means moving the team.  Yeah, I can see that as a possibility.  But, just how crazy would it be that the day a new owner took over, and said he would make this 'hockey heaven', and that the 'sole reason for the existence' of the team was to win the cup, and that money wouldn't be an object 'I'll drill another well'....just how Ironic would it be that it would be THAT guy who said THOSE thing that immediately put the team on the road and drove the car himself... to no longer being in Buffalo?

[JP51]

57 minutes ago, Stoner said:

Disdain rings true with me. The owner simply doesn't speak to the fans. If I had to guess I'd say getting booed on RJ night was some version of marital irreconcilable differences.

We may be way off and too self focused... but It certainly feels like there is utter disdain for Sabre fans and its personal coming from this disorganization. 

[EM88]

As with many others, I do not see how things change with Pegula at the top. Even if he fires everyone below him, it will be him picking their replacements.

I have zero confidence he will pick people who are great at the job they do, rather than pick people who make him feel 'warm and fuzzy' and comfortable around them.

[DarthEbriate]

But Darth Pegulas the Wise and GM Sheevyn want to be here.

Unlike Eichel, Reinhart (top 10 in scoring in the league in scoring), Montour (16th among D), Ullmark, and many, many others.

[phil_soisson]

Curious how Pegula seems to have gotten the Bills right (with essentially the same fanbase as the Sabres), while having owned the Sabres several years longer.

[Archie Lee]

I don’t have the heart or stomach for hoping or wanting anyone to be fired, cut, demoted, traded. I’m neither cynical nor naive. When pro sports teams fail, someone eventually pays the price. I don’t doubt that Pegula has some motivations beyond putting the best team on the ice, but I don’t for a minute think he wants to, or is even remotely ok with, subjecting fans to this. Adams has done things his way. He will likely not survive this with his job. I still think that the projected positive impact of Lindy Ruff was the greatest off-season canard. If I had to turn this over to anyone within the hierarchy it would be Karmanos, but I have no idea how that would turn out. 

I do believe that there are inflection points where a team can go in the right or wrong direction. After the 22-23 season Adams came to two roads diverged in the yellow-wood. In pro sports, there is lots of history and evidence to support what the best path to success is. For some reason Adams chose the road not taken and opted against providing veteran support to his youthful team that had missed the playoffs by a single point. That decision, in my opinion, set the team back both in performance and culture. He simultaneously passed on an opportunity to utilize a window of time to upgrade the talent and experience level of the team, while also sending the returning young players the message that winning was only a stretch-target; great if it happens, but not yet the organization’s top priority. That has made all the difference.

[WhenWillItEnd66]

54 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Selling the team means moving the team as well…..which may seem like the lesser of the evils after last night’s embarrassment.

I do not even live in Buffalo anymore. If they move, i will still follow them. If that's what it takes to make them better, i am totally ok with that

[Pimlach]

10 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Terry you have driven this franchise into the ground.  Do yourself and the city and the fans a favor fire your Yes-Man Adams and sell the team.   Give a willing owner the chance to hire competent management to fix this team.  There is actually enough here to build from, but you and Adams are not the men for the job.

The sad thing is that there is a core of something that could work, but the team is so mismanaged and the roster so poorly constructed the puzzle pieces will never work without a fresh look

This is what we really have 

????? Tage Tuch

Benson ????? JJP

Quinn ?????  Greenway

?????? McLeod ??????  

 

Dahlin  ??????

Byram ??????

??????  ?????

 

UPL

??????

To make this work Power, Cozens, Byrson, Joki, Krebs, Samuelsson, and Clifton all need to go.  I like Zucker and I'd keep him until the deadline, trade him and then bring him back on another one year smaller deal.  We need two playmakers hopefully at center.  We need partners with a bent toward defensive play for Dahlin and Byram.  We also need our D to be tougher and more physical.  

It looks like we can’t win with Dahlin, Power, Thompson and Cozens as the Core. The other guys are just filler.  The core cannot get us there.  

You wanna fix it, change the core and that changes the culture.  

[John Tucker]

7 minutes ago, phil_soisson said:

Curious how Pegula seems to have gotten the Bills right (with essentially the same fanbase as the Sabres), while having owned the Sabres several years longer.

Every squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.  Pegula lucked out with the Beane/McDermott hires.  I go back to the Lafontaine fiasco.  Something felt fishy about his departure back then and it should've been a red flag right from the start.  I really think that Lafontaine would've been a great team president, overseeing the hockey department.  Pegula gets his hockey ignorant hands on too many decisions.

[DarthEbriate]

10 minutes ago, phil_soisson said:

Curious how Pegula seems to have gotten the Bills right (with essentially the same fanbase as the Sabres), while having owned the Sabres several years longer.

An MVP-caliber QB will do that for you. Replace Josh Allen with...   the NY Jets running string of QBs since Allen was drafted...  and they're a talented roster that's maxing out at 7 wins.

That has nothing to do with the owner.

[EM88]

32 minutes ago, phil_soisson said:

Curious how Pegula seems to have gotten the Bills right (with essentially the same fanbase as the Sabres), while having owned the Sabres several years longer.

He lucked into a coach/GM combo, through no skill of his own.

Remember the Rex Ryan fiasco? Obviously he wasn't a good coach for the team, but it was the Pegula's who wanted him after talking to him in person a few times. That wasn't a hire that 'football people' suggested to him.  Pegula (or the Pegulas), seem to run their teams like fans, but not even well educated fans, they run their team like 14-year-old boy fans.

Also, getting one of the top 5 players in the league helps.  Take Josh Allen off the Bills and they are a middling team probably not making the playoffs, just like the Sabres. On the other side, add one of the top 5 players in the NHL to the Sabres (McDavid, Matthews, Kucheroff, McKinnon) and they are likely a much better team.

-I have always thought in Football, the game is more complex and there are more 'layers' between the owner and the roster. Roster construction is more complex. Ther are more players to choose and contribute to the roster, and there are more bodies between the players and the owner.   In the NHL, when your roster is basically 15-20 important pieces, and maybe 2-3 of your top 20 pieces change out each year, an owner who wants to be involved can have a MUCH greater impact.  In the NFL, you have 40 important pieces, and many more of those change out each year. An owner who spends 20 hours a month in personal meetings or sitting next to and talking to the GM is simply going to have less of an impact on the roster and staff. There are too many people and not enough time to mess things up.  In hockey, smaller rosters, smaller coaching staffs, making it simply a lot easier for a bad owner to mess things up more quickly.

Edited 3 hours ago by EM88

[Crusader1969]

40 minutes ago, phil_soisson said:

Curious how Pegula seems to have gotten the Bills right (with essentially the same fanbase as the Sabres), while having owned the Sabres several years longer.

Josh Allen.

if Sabres won the McDavid lottery, maybe they would have gotten just as lucky 

[Crusader1969]

The "Sell the Team" campaign needs to start

need someone with influence to take charge , whomever that is.  
 

I can actually see Terry crumbling to a fan revolt.    
 

however, I doubt we (the fans) have the energy or the passion to put that kind od pressure on him.   I know I don't.   Ive fallen into the "don't care" category 

 

[DarthEbriate]

8 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

Josh Allen.

if Sabres won the McDavid lottery, maybe they would have gotten just as lucky 

Definitely a possibility. McDavid-Reinhart instead of McDavid-Draisaitl. Maybe name Okposo or ROR the captain instead of McDavid. The Sabres probably run through fewer coaches (probably the same number of GMs, based on why GMTM and GMJBott were let go).

[Carmel Corn]

11 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

The "Sell the Team" campaign needs to start

need someone with influence to take charge , whomever that is.  
 

I can actually see Terry crumbling to a fan revolt.    
 

however, I doubt we (the fans) have the energy or the passion to put that kind od pressure on him.   I know I don't.   Ive fallen into the "don't care" category 

 

Interesting….IMHO, Pegula is not somebody who would crumble.  I instead see him as a silent, but vindictive SOB who will look to sell and MOVE the team at a hefty profit to pay for his stadium overrun.  I don’t think he cares about the Sabre fans and is enough of an a$$hole to move this NHL franchise out of Buffalo to help his bottom line.

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Interesting….IMHO, Pegula is not somebody who would crumble.  I instead see him as a silent, but vindictive SOB who will look to sell and MOVE the team at a hefty profit to pay for his stadium overrun.  I don’t think he cares about the Sabre fans and is enough of an a$$hole to move this NHL franchise out of Buffalo to help his bottom line.

That is the impression I have of him.

When things get back, hide behind a coach, a GM, a president of the team and get away from the criticism. And if that criticism becomes to great, I picture him as the kind of guy who sits in the back room and things/says "I'll show them ALL".  Not the kind of guy that will take criticism, not the type of guy who will step up into a tough situation. In corporate terms, he is much more of a "BOSS" than he is a "LEADER" of an organization.

[Crusader1969]

16 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Interesting….IMHO, Pegula is not somebody who would crumble.  I instead see him as a silent, but vindictive SOB who will look to sell and MOVE the team at a hefty profit to pay for his stadium overrun.  I don’t think he cares about the Sabre fans and is enough of an a$$hole to move this NHL franchise out of Buffalo to help his bottom line.

I've said it before but a sell and move might be the best solution 

with the promise by the league to give Buffalo an expansion franchise within the next decade 

think fresh start might be the only way to go for them