What has happened to Greenway

[steveoat87]

It feels like he has been out forever and there has been no update.  Doesn't even feel like he is on the team.

The team is definitely better when he is on the ice.

[inkman]

13 minutes ago, steveoat87 said:

It feels like he has been out forever and there has been no update.  Doesn't even feel like he is on the team.

The team is definitely better when he is on the ice.

You can thank the wonderful NHL stupidity and their ambiguous day to day week to week nonsense.  If they just went with 4-8 weeks from the start, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.  

[Pimlach]

We are missing him for sure.  With Greenway we have a big forward that plays a strong defensives game, a strong PK, can chip in offensively, and has a physical presence.  

[inkman]

4 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

We are missing him for sure.  With Greenway we have a big forward that plays a strong defensives game, a strong PK, can chip in offensively, and has a physical presence.  

They miss him desperately.  They need to infuse the roster with more Greenways, less Quinn’s.  

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

We are missing him for sure.  With Greenway we have a big forward that plays a strong defensives game, a strong PK, can chip in offensively, and has a physical presence.  

 

1 hour ago, inkman said:

They miss him desperately.  They need to infuse the roster with more Greenways, less Quinn’s.  

I agree that they miss him.  What is a shame is that his absence makes that much of a difference.  He’s not a superstar, but he can still bring an element that is so desperately lacking on this team….which is really sad.  Once again, a POORLY constructed team that has no backfill for his style of play.

[LabattBlue]

5 hours ago, Carmel Corn said:

 

I agree that they miss him.  What is a shame is that his absence makes that much of a difference.  He’s not a superstar, but he can still bring an element that is so desperately lacking on this team….which is really sad.  Once again, a POORLY constructed team that has no backfill for his style of play.

Poorly constructed team.  Perfect 3 word summary of this 13+ year train wreck. 

Edited December 2, 2024 by LabattBlue

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Poorly constructed team.  Perfect 3 word summary of this 13+ year train wreck. 

Yup. Since Pegula took over they have never valued grinders, muckers, checkers, 2 way guys with grit, whatever you want to call them. Last 2 years there's been a small recognition of this and so they've brought in Greenway, Malentstyn, Gilbert, but nothing for the core really. Nothing substantial. It's a long standing mistake most exemplified by trading away Foligno. 

You need a balanced roster and you need toughness with your speed and finesse. It's never really been any different and why they haven't got that is beyond me (but likely because of Pegula and what he wants and values).

[LGR4GM]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Yup. Since Pegula took over they have never valued grinders, muckers, checkers, 2 way guys with grit, whatever you want to call them. Last 2 years there's been a small recognition of this and so they've brought in Greenway, Malentstyn, Gilbert, but nothing for the core really. Nothing substantial. It's a long standing mistake most exemplified by trading away Foligno. 

You need a balanced roster and you need toughness with your speed and finesse. It's never really been any different and why they haven't got that is beyond me (but likely because of Pegula and what he wants and values).

I mean... this is just false. Since the Lucic hit on Miller the Sabres have continually chased these types of players. Steve Ott, John Scott, Nick Deslauriers, ROR, Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, Jordan Greenway, Wayne Simmonds, Connor Clifton, Beck Malenstyn, Sam Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, a host of other 4th line and bottom pairing guys over the years. I don't think it has been "not valuing grinders" I think it is "not having enough talent". 

I have had this argument forever on here. Countless fans, numbers untold, state Buffalo just needs to be grittier, tougher, whatever word you want. If it only were so simple. 

[shrader]

47 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I mean... this is just false. Since the Lucic hit on Miller the Sabres have continually chased these types of players. Steve Ott, John Scott, Nick Deslauriers, ROR, Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, Jordan Greenway, Wayne Simmonds, Connor Clifton, Beck Malenstyn, Sam Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, a host of other 4th line and bottom pairing guys over the years. I don't think it has been "not valuing grinders" I think it is "not having enough talent". 

I have had this argument forever on here. Countless fans, numbers untold, state Buffalo just needs to be grittier, tougher, whatever word you want. If it only were so simple. 

Out of curiosity, how much of your list was brought in by Botterill? Simmonds maybe?

[JP51]

I dont know but he seems like Muel to me.. he is always hurt.

[steveoat87]

9 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I dont know but he seems like Muel to me.. he is always hurt.

Sad but true.  He looks sturdy but  performs like a piece of glass.

[JP51]

22 minutes ago, steveoat87 said:

Sad but true.  He looks sturdy but  performs like a piece of glass.

So strange for a big dude like that... but it is what it is... 

[Night Train]

I miss Greenway but his role is defined aside from being a scorer. I know who we expect  to score. Let's get real about the current issue. Scoring. We know the suspects. 

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I mean... this is just false. Since the Lucic hit on Miller the Sabres have continually chased these types of players. Steve Ott, John Scott, Nick Deslauriers, ROR, Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, Jordan Greenway, Wayne Simmonds, Connor Clifton, Beck Malenstyn, Sam Lafferty, Aube-Kubel, a host of other 4th line and bottom pairing guys over the years. I don't think it has been "not valuing grinders" I think it is "not having enough talent". 

I have had this argument forever on here. Countless fans, numbers untold, state Buffalo just needs to be grittier, tougher, whatever word you want. If it only were so simple. 

Since you've "had this argument" with "countless fans, numbers untold" has the possibility that your position on it is simply dead wrong ever entered your brain?

The word I used was "VALUED" those type of players. The list you give is mostly in the last 2 years, which is as I also said, a recent small attempt. (not that Clifton etc. are all that gritty, but it has been a slight recognition of this problem). Deslauriers is a perfect example of a guy we didn't value, just like we didn't value Foligno. Scott was a Lucic response for sure, but that was a temporary measure to say the least. Getting into ROR and Kane/Bogo is a whole different discussion involving Murray and his perhaps conflicting views with Pegula. 

Show me ONE SEASON in these 13 years where the Sabres were not viewed as soft by the rest of the league. You can't. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Since you've "had this argument" with "countless fans, numbers untold" has the possibility that your position on it is simply dead wrong ever entered your brain?

The word I used was "VALUED" those type of players. The list you give is mostly in the last 2 years, which is as I also said, a recent small attempt. (not that Clifton etc. are all that gritty, but it has been a slight recognition of this problem). Deslauriers is a perfect example of a guy we didn't value, just like we didn't value Foligno. Scott was a Lucic response for sure, but that was a temporary measure to say the least. Getting into ROR and Kane/Bogo is a whole different discussion involving Murray and his perhaps conflicting views with Pegula. 

Show me ONE SEASON in these 13 years where the Sabres were not viewed as soft by the rest of the league. You can't. 

You ever thought your myopic simpleton explanation for why this team has been bad since 2013 is wrong? Don't answer, I hate interacting with you. Everything is like this. 

You couldn't even state my position if you tried. You just lie about what I think and then act like everything I say is wrong. Go cheer for your Bruins.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You ever thought your myopic simpleton explanation for why this team has been bad since 2013 is wrong? Don't answer, I hate interacting with you. Everything is like this. 

You couldn't even state my position if you tried. You just lie about what I think and then act like everything I say is wrong. Go cheer for your Bruins.

That is a pathetic reply. 

[bob_sauve28]

 

On Lafferty:

“He’s doing OK, so it could be one those shorter things,” Ruff said following Monday’s practice in KeyBank Center.

Meanwhile, other injured Sabres are progressing.

Ruff said defenseman Mattias Samuelsson, who has missed the last eight games with a lower-body injury, started skating again Friday.

“Don’t have a timeline, but the fact that he’s back on the ice, he continues to show some progress,” Ruff said.

Ruff said winger Jordan Greenway, who has missed the last seven games with a mid-body injury, skated Monday morning.

“We’ll just see how he’s feeling after he gets a couple of the skill skates, or skates that initially get you going to see when or if we can get him back in practice,” he said.

Greenway recently underwent a procedure that wasn’t surgery. Ruff said they don’t know if it helped him.

“That’s why he’s back on the ice, just to see whether he feels better or something further will have to be dealt with,” he said.

Entering Tuesday’s game against old friend Casey Mittelstadt and the Colorado Avalanche, rookie Tyson Kozak is the Sabres’ only extra forward. He took reps Monday on the fourth line.

Kozak, who was recalled following Friday’s game, sat out Saturday’s 3-0 road loss to the New York Islanders.

Ruff said the fourth trio of center Peyton Krebs, Beck Malenstyn and Nicolas Aube-Kubel played well in Saturday’s loss. Kozak, 21, likely must wait to make his NHL debut.

“They were in on three or four opportunities,” Ruff said of the line. “I thought there puck play was good inside the game, and I think that’s where he fits on our team. So we’ll go through the first game, we’ll evaluate and see where he’s at.

“I know what he brings, the energy, and I think he’s the type of guy that helps lifts other player with just his infectious work ethic. So there’s always a chance, but we’ll evaluate that from game to game.

”https://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-sam-lafferty-sidelined-week-to-week-mattias-samuelsson-jordan-greenway-progressing-from-injuries/

[Wyldnwoody44]

Greenway had a Castration, he's now an official Buffalo Sabre.

[PerreaultForever]

A procedure that wasn't a surgery........................my wild guess is he has a back problem. 

[JP51]

On 12/1/2024 at 10:33 PM, PerreaultForever said:

Yup. Since Pegula took over they have never valued grinders, muckers, checkers, 2 way guys with grit, whatever you want to call them. Last 2 years there's been a small recognition of this and so they've brought in Greenway, Malentstyn, Gilbert, but nothing for the core really. Nothing substantial. It's a long standing mistake most exemplified by trading away Foligno. 

You need a balanced roster and you need toughness with your speed and finesse. It's never really been any different and why they haven't got that is beyond me (but likely because of Pegula and what he wants and values).

Quite honestly, trading away Foligno epitomizes everything wrong with this team... not that he was a savior, but he was a hockey player that was willing to do the nasty stuff in the corner, use his body and make it tough to play against... you are spot on here. 

[JohnC]

On 12/3/2024 at 11:50 PM, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Greenway had a Castration, he's now an official Buffalo Sabre.

That's a ballsy claim to make. 😁

[DarthEbriate]

58 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Quite honestly, trading away Foligno epitomizes everything wrong with this team... not that he was a savior, but he was a hockey player that was willing to do the nasty stuff in the corner, use his body and make it tough to play against... you are spot on here. 

GM JBott and HCPH took the team in a 180-degree direction: puck-moving defense and speed up front. (Which was the flavor of the day; the LAK big-grrr approach was losing out to those speedier lineups [as their players aged, go figure].) In the summer/opening week of that season, JBott/HCPH had the following happen: 

Add: D Antipin, D Beaulieu, D Fedun, D Redmond, F Josefson   (and D Scandella, F Pominville. Then, off waivers because they had a lot less grit/grinder, they claimed F Nolan off waivers right at the beginning of the season.)

Lose to trade: F Foligno, F DesLauriers  (and F Ennis)

Lose to expansion: F Carrier

Lose to UFA: D Kulikov

Lose to retirement: F Gionta

I put the parentheses in decent moves/players that don't fit the puck-moving D or speed-first forward narrative.

You'll notice something. All those grinders and non-PMD like Kulikov: they were young then and are still playing in the league today. All those speedy players, or once-very-good-players like Pominville, they were out of the league shortly thereafter. And Scandella was good enough to be in the top-4 of a Cup-winning Blues squad. You didn't need ALL of them, but you needed a couple reliable grinder cornerstones, especially since they're the ones who get injured from blocking shots and playing physical.

Of course, the end result was drafting #1 overall and Dahlin.

[JP51]

30 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

GM JBott and HCPH took the team in a 180-degree direction: puck-moving defense and speed up front. (Which was the flavor of the day; the LAK big-grrr approach was losing out to those speedier lineups [as their players aged, go figure].) In the summer/opening week of that season, JBott/HCPH had the following happen: 

Add: D Antipin, D Beaulieu, D Fedun, D Redmond, F Josefson   (and D Scandella, F Pominville. Then, off waivers because they had a lot less grit/grinder, they claimed F Nolan off waivers right at the beginning of the season.)

Lose to trade: F Foligno, F DesLauriers  (and F Ennis)

Lose to expansion: F Carrier

Lose to UFA: D Kulikov

Lose to retirement: F Gionta

I put the parentheses in decent moves/players that don't fit the puck-moving D or speed-first forward narrative.

You'll notice something. All those grinders and non-PMD like Kulikov: they were young then and are still playing in the league today. All those speedy players, or once-very-good-players like Pominville, they were out of the league shortly thereafter. And Scandella was good enough to be in the top-4 of a Cup-winning Blues squad. You didn't need ALL of them, but you needed a couple reliable grinder cornerstones, especially since they're the ones who get injured from blocking shots and playing physical.

Of course, the end result was drafting #1 overall and Dahlin.

Totally agree... I was going to go into some others like Torrey Mitchell and dare i say Evander Kane (complete mess that he was)... Des Lauriers as you mentioned... heck back to Zadorov and Brenden Lemieux we could go on... but anyone who wanted to have some grit and toughness was not valued and traded away for nothing or ice capade backups.  Like you said, skill is critical... but someone needs to break the snow path... you have to trust you arent gonna get run every momement, and other teams need to know its gonna be hard to play against you... not necessarily fighting.. just physical I want it more than you and I will physically impose my will to get what i want players... Adams and prior regimes just dont get that.. and geez if I here make the playoffs one more time I am gonna scream... it seems like it is the only goal of this entire pathetic regime to aspire to mediocraty... what happened to Stanley Cup.. if by some chance this cumulation of Golfers that can skate make the playoffs they are going to be eradicated and never want to play Playoff Hockey again... 

Edited December 5, 2024 by JP51

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

Quite honestly, trading away Foligno epitomizes everything wrong with this team... not that he was a savior, but he was a hockey player that was willing to do the nasty stuff in the corner, use his body and make it tough to play against... you are spot on here. 

and he was a local boy with team history. Not only would I have kept Marcus, I'd have signed his brother as a free agent to play with him and lead this locker room. (and no, he wouldn't put up big scoring numbers and he'd probably be over paid in terms of production, but it wouldn't matter, it would be worth it). Heck, put their dad back on the payroll as well as a scout or some type of advisor. They all have and know what it takes.

It was a big mistake and I hated it when it happened. Scandella wasn't a good enough player to justify it in any way shape or form. 

If Marcus was still here I'd have named him captain without question.

[JP51]

14 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

and he was a local boy with team history. Not only would I have kept Marcus, I'd have signed his brother as a free agent to play with him and lead this locker room. (and no, he wouldn't put up big scoring numbers and he'd probably be over paid in terms of production, but it wouldn't matter, it would be worth it). Heck, put their dad back on the payroll as well as a scout or some type of advisor. They all have and know what it takes.

It was a big mistake and I hated it when it happened. Scandella wasn't a good enough player to justify it in any way shape or form. 

If Marcus was still here I'd have named him captain without question.

100%! ok little nothing side story that i just have to tell... So, when I was a kid always went to Pizza Hut for our birthdays... and In walks Mike Foligno with Nick as a toddler and Marcus in a car seat... and my grandmother loved Mike because when the sabres said Merry Christmas on the broadcasts he said Bueno Natalie which is obviously Italian for Merry Christmas ... so we are like let this man eat his Pizza with his kids leave him alone and my Grandmother goes over to him and grabs Marcus out of the car seat and starts in with the what a cute bambino and he is laughing and smiling and Foligno was talking to us... Fast forward 20 years Marcus' first game I am there and he scores... and I am like holy crap thats the baby I held in the Pizza hut LOL...  Oh and then he did the Foligno jump for his Dad.

Edited December 5, 2024 by JP51