GDT: Sabres vs Canucks Black Friday 3:00 PM EST MSG-B, SN-Pac, WGR550, SN650

[Thorner]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

Here's the thing you fail to accept .  2 things need to be true in order for a team to give up a top 6 scorer 

1) has to be a free agent at  the end of the current season;

2) the team needs to be out of playoff contention 

This is true of every goal scorer traded since at least 2019-20 

On top of that, most of the upcoming Free Agents have NMCs in their contracts, which Buffalo is always on 

You are asking Adams to do the impossible with few teams are out of contention right now.  Not only that,if you look at the upcoming UFA list, I ask you, who exactly is top 6 forward you would target?  
Hockey trades just don't happen anymore   

 

 

I don’t fail to accept anything except your rants that the team is “cursed!” and should be sold or whatever it was the last time you went off the rails 

I can look literally within our own boundaries and point to Casey Mittelstadt as a player who wasn’t a free agent who was moved during the season 

NMC’s aren’t held by “most” players. They are held by a minority of players.

The time period is 5 years. If your argument is that there aren’t myriad avenues of roster building available to every team within a 5 year period to the tune of being able to craft a playoff team, all transactions and tools at a GM’s disposal included: you have a bad argument, im sorry 

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I don’t care about whatever arbitrary definitions you want to attach to “top 6 scorer” to craft an argument that supposes it is beyond our control to acquire it and therefore can’t expect better. 

we added our 4th best forward this past offseason and didn’t give up an asset to do so 

Edited November 30 by Thorner

[Crusader1969]

3 minutes ago, Thorner said:

I don’t fail to accept anything except your rants that the team is “cursed!” and should be sold or whatever it was the last time you went off the rails 

I can look literally within our own boundaries and point to Casey Mittelstadt as a player who wasn’t a free agent who was moved during the season 

NMC’s aren’t held by “most” players. They are held by a minority of players.

The time period is 5 years. If your argument is that there aren’t myriad avenues of roster building available to every team within a 5 year period to the tune of being able to craft a playoff team, all transactions and tools at a GM’s disposal included: you have a bad argument, im sorry 

When a player is an RFA, what does the FA stand for? 

[Thorner]

“Hockey trades just don’t happen anymore” 

what are we even doing here 

we JUST made one lol. agree to disagree 

Yes, there are no ufa’s available, no trades available, there’s nothing we can do. We are cursed. Does that make you feel better? There, you don’t need to have any expectations, you are safe 

Asking our GM to field a playoff team is “asking the impossible”.

Edited November 30 by Thorner

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, Crusader1969 said:

Here's the thing you fail to accept .  2 things need to be true in order for a team to give up a top 6 scorer 

1) has to be a free agent at  the end of the current season;

2) the team needs to be out of playoff contention 

This is true of every goal scorer traded since at least 2019-20 

On top of that, most of the upcoming Free Agents have NMCs in their contracts, which Buffalo is always on 

You are asking Adams to do the impossible with few teams are out of contention right now.  Not only that,if you look at the upcoming UFA list, I ask you, who exactly is top 6 forward you would target?  
Hockey trades just don't happen anymore   

 

 

This isn’t Adam’s first or even second year at the helm.  He has traded away what are now considered to be 2 superstars and has created this situation on his watch.  He doesn’t deserve any sympathy for being ineffective at his job or using NMC’s as an excuse.  He’s made his own bed and can’t blame somebody else for his ineptitude.

[Thorner]

Just now, Carmel Corn said:

This isn’t Adam’s first or even second year at the helm.  He has traded away what are now considered to be 2 superstars and has created this situation on his watch.  He doesn’t deserve any sympathy for being ineffective at his job or using NMC’s as an excuse.  He’s made his own bed and can’t blame somebody else for his ineptitude.

This is exaclty it, and the term I wanted to use: he made his own bed. I understand the Mike Harrington go to, “tell me, who is going to trade you a mythical top 6 F right now?” line of argument but it’s growing tiring. I’m not saying Adams can just “add one”, I’m saying it’s his own fault we are in the position of needing one.

If you have to ignore all context and operate in a vacuum to make a point, your point doesn’t hold water and doesn’t stand up to the slightest amount of critique. It’s not about Adams’ inability to acquire an all-star on November 30, 2024

it’s about where the roster is on November 30, 2024 after being taken over by Kevyn Adams in 2020.

The situation we find ourselves in is the sum total of the work the GM has done for going on 5 seasons 

[Crusader1969]

11 minutes ago, Thorner said:

“Hockey trades just don’t happen anymore” 

what are we even doing here 

we JUST made one lol. agree to disagree 

Yes, there are no ufa’s available, no trades available, there’s nothing we can do. We are cursed. Does that make you feel better? There, you don’t need to have any expectations, you are safe 

Asking our GM to field a playoff team is “asking the impossible”.

I clearly said the player has to be a Free Agent, how in the world didn't Mitts fall into that catergory? 
this team needs a top 4 RHD much more than it needs a top 6 forward 

Even without a move , are you that sure that this team as it's currently constructed isn't a playoff team? 
cause I think they are 

[Thorner]

4 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

I clearly said the player has to be a Free Agent, how in the world didn't Mitts fall into that catergory? 
this team needs a top 4 RHD much more than it needs a top 6 forward 

Even without a move , are you that sure that this team as it's currently constructed isn't a playoff team? 
cause I think they are 

I’ve been the dude sticking firm at playoffs being 51% likely since before the season started

your must be the other guy 

[Crusader1969]

7 minutes ago, Thorner said:

I’ve been the dude sticking firm at playoffs being 51% likely since before the season started

your must be the other guy 

Nope I'm at 55% 

[Big Guava]

17 hours ago, #freejame said:

I played hockey through college and coached ten seasons of baseball, I think I understand competitive sports. I block shots at 10PM beer league on a Tuesday night because I’m a hockey player. What’s the excuse for the Sabres? 

So you are saying you had your "A" game every night?

I think you are going Uncle Rico with your memory on how things actually went.

[Thorner]

7 minutes ago, Big Guava said:

So you are saying you had your "A" game every night?

I think you are going Uncle Rico with your memory on how things actually went.

If I just could have made that pass…

[#freejame]

22 minutes ago, Big Guava said:

So you are saying you had your "A" game every night?

I think you are going Uncle Rico with your memory on how things actually went.

I never claimed I had an A game every night, only that I’ve been around competitive sports enough to understand them. 

I get Stamkos said the NHL is an 80% league, but the Sabres haven’t earned that right. They don’t consistently play a winning game. It’s easy to go in front of the net every game, you just skate in front of the net. It’s easy to block shots, you just skate in front of the shooting lane. It’s easy to go hard into the corners, you just skate hard into the corners. These are basic things that hockey teams revert back to from the lowest level to the highest and we haven’t be able to do those things consistently for years.

Sometimes you’ll make mistakes doing those things. So what? You still have to do them. Guys on the Sabres don’t want to do that. Either because it’s not their game and they think they’re too good for it, they’re scared, or they don’t understand simple hockey fundamentals. It’s a problem either way. Ruff essentially said they’re too forgetful. Someone’s gotta figure out how to do their job with consistency. 

[eman]

On 11/29/2024 at 8:48 PM, Crusader1969 said:

1 point out of the playoffs, with a game in hand vs the team above you and  it's almost time to give up ? 
 

Not going to beat the Islanders tonight either. I see nothing in this team that says they will make the playoffs this season. I just don't.

[Pimlach]

16 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

I clearly said the player has to be a Free Agent, how in the world didn't Mitts fall into that catergory? 
this team needs a top 4 RHD much more than it needs a top 6 forward 

Even without a move , are you that sure that this team as it's currently constructed isn't a playoff team? 
cause I think they are 

I disagree.  This team just got shutout again, that’s 2 in 3 games.   The top 6 is the biggest problem.  They are weak at center and the top 6 is young, soft, and flawed.  

I’ve been saying this all off season.   If Thompson is your 1C then they don’t have a 2C.  Cozens and Quinn are not top 6 forwards - they might have 2nd line “ceilings” but they are not there yet.  Quinn does not deserve any ice time right now,  he simply does not contribute.   

I don’t get why Tuch gets so much grief either.  Tuch is a great 3rd line player on a very strong team, a 2nd line player on a good team.  He does more than most.  
 

I want more minutes for guys like Tuch, McLeod, Zucker, Greenway, and Benson.  I’m tired of seeing Quinn and Cozens get tossed around like children.  

[JohnC]

17 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

When a player is an RFA, what does the FA stand for? 

There certainly are players that are unattainable due to contract clauses. That doesn't mean that all options are foreclosed in acquiring players. Trades still can be made, quality secondary free agents are available, and players move up from within the system. Compare us to the Capitals who have steadily reworked their roster since they won the Cup in 2018. For the most part, it is a reworked roster with the great Ovie still remaining, although he is now hurt. Their record is 17-6-1. There is no question that some franchises are unappealing destinations. But what puts them in the "disfavor" category is that they are recognized for their systemic incompetence. Who would want to be stuck in such a place?

Edited December 1 by JohnC

[triumph_communes]

Second game in a row where we lose because of anemic power play. We need a new specialist coach not players

[Thorner]

37 minutes ago, JohnC said:

There certainly are players that are unattainable due to contract clauses. That doesn't mean that all options are foreclosed in acquiring players. Trades still can be made, quality secondary free agents are available, and players move up from within the system. Compare us to the Capitals who have steadily reworked their roster since they won the Cup in 2018. For the most part, it is a reworked roster with the great Ovie still remaining, although he is now hurt. Their record is 17-6-1. There is no question that some franchises are unappealing destinations. But what puts them in the "disfavor" category is that they are recognized for their systemic incompetence. Who would want to be stuck in such a place?

Ya like I’m not saying we need to expect the “success” a team like the Winnipeg Jets has seen in an equally undesired market, like I get we are (by our own doing) narratively behind the 8-ball here because of sustained incompetence. But there’s a chasm of gap between the results of two equally hampered markets: we can’t, with handcuffs included, make the playoffs *1 gat-damn time* when they’ve made it 7 times since returning under similar market parameters? 

It’s progressed so far that we can grant Adams and co every single caveat we want, every single excuse, and the reasonable follow-up would still be,

”I get that, but wait, you haven’t made the playoffs *ONCE*?”

Edited December 1 by Thorner

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, Thorner said:

Ya like I’m not saying we need to expect the “success” a team like the Winnipeg Jets has seen in an equally undesired market, like I get we are (by our own doing) narratively behind the 8-ball here because of sustained incompetence. But there’s a chasm of gap between the results of two equally hampered markets: we can’t, with handcuffs included, make the playoffs *1 gat-damn time* when they’ve made it 7 times since returning and similar market parameters? 

It’s progressed so far that we can grant Adams and co every single caveat we want, every single excuse, and the reasonable follow-up would still be,

”I get why, but wait, you haven’t made the playoffs *ONCE*?”

The state of affairs of this franchise is such an absurdity. It takes a lot of effort to be bad for so long. Exponential incompetence is a rarified state to be in. That in itself is an ignominious accomplishment that a lot of others are incapable of achieving. 

[Thorner]

8 minutes ago, JohnC said:

The state of affairs of this franchise is such an absurdity. It takes a lot of effort to be bad for so long. Exponential incompetence is a rarified state to be in. That in itself is an ignominious accomplishment that a lot of others are incapable of achieving. 

Better to reign in hell..