2024-25 Trade Rumors and Speculation

[French Collection]

8 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

 

I can't believe what some people would give up for a 33 year old player.   
 

and you are absolutely right "why is he available?"   

Now trading for Jiricek makes a lot of sense for both teams 

14 years as a Ranger, part of their leadership group.

Trouba hasn’t been there as long, but he is their captain.

Their salaries are above their production and value, so Drury wants someone else. A change in leadership because these guys haven’t got it done on some good teams.

In my mind Drury is not dealing from a position of power because this is out and most teams are up against the cap.

Buffalo is in a position of power, but has not utilized their “mountain” of cap space forever.

 

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

Krieder and Trouba are not likely to be realistic options. Both have partial NTCs with a 15-16 team list. It is near certain we are on the no trade side of their splits. So, it is likely a pointless discussion, except for considering both players as stand-ins for what might become available and what the acquisition cost would be. 

On Krieder specifically, I will defer to those who have seen him play this year more than me. Yesterday, Biron and Shayna Goldman were of the view that he is still an attractive player to add and that the 5v5 defensive system Laviolette runs is not well suited to many of the Ranger veterans. Interestingly, Biron and Goldman said this independently during different segments. My take from their comments, was that Krieder’s centre, Zibanejad, is struggling offensively because he has to focus so much on the defensive requirements of the system and this is impacting the even strength production of his line and Krieder. I have not seen Krieder play a minute this year though. 

Also, I understand the sentiment about not wanting to move players like Quinn or Kulich without getting a return that is a closer to a guaranteed good fit. The problem here is that, looking ahead to next year, Thompson, Tuch, Peterka, Cozens, Benson, Quinn, Kulich, McLeod = 8.  Add in that Krebs is emerging as a possible middle-6 option and that’s 9. This assumes we just let Zucker and Greenway walk in free agency, which would be odd considering they have been very good in their roles this year.  There is no room here to promote a prospect like Rosen. And how much better are we if we let Zucker go and replace him with the sort of vet you would get in return for Rosen?

I don’t think we are getting a legit top 6 forward, under 30 with term and a reasonable AAV, for Kulich or Quinn (or both combined). If that is the required return, it is likely better to just say you are ok with what we have. 
 

 

 

I agree with all of this when you are looking to make a deal with the Rangers. Krieder is not on verge of being washed up. His salary is manageable for many teams. The rangers are still in playoff position, so they are not going to trade for prospects. A lot of teams would want to put a package together for him if they can. Even if this is not just another Ranger or media troll job I don't see that we are in any position to get him because it's going to be a vet for vet deal to keep the Rangers in the playoffs. 

We can get legit top 6 forwards for prospects by dealing with teams that are ready to rebuild or ones that need cap space for returning players from IR. We certainly have the ammunition to do those kinds of deals.   

[Pimlach]

22 hours ago, Taro T said:

Because he's 23 years old and the team is already the youngest in the league.  On day 1 he wasn't going to be in their top 4 so there really wasn't a compelling reason to have him on the Sabres roster sitting in the press box or getting bottom 6 minutes.

He'll get his chances.  But there is no reason for the team to intentionally make itself even younger without a player demonstrating he's clearly better than the guy he's trying to beat out.

Been a long time coming, but the Sabres finally have an NHL caliber roster and kids are no longer gifted roster spots.  (Well, most of them aren't.)  And, his having to earn a spot on the big club is actually a great thing.  MHO.  Ymmv.

You are singing my song Taro.  

[LTS]

2 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

Krieder and Trouba are not likely to be realistic options. Both have partial NTCs with a 15-16 team list. It is near certain we are on the no trade side of their splits. So, it is likely a pointless discussion, except for considering both players as stand-ins for what might become available and what the acquisition cost would be. 

On Krieder specifically, I will defer to those who have seen him play this year more than me. Yesterday, Biron and Shayna Goldman were of the view that he is still an attractive player to add and that the 5v5 defensive system Laviolette runs is not well suited to many of the Ranger veterans. Interestingly, Biron and Goldman said this independently during different segments. My take from their comments, was that Krieder’s centre, Zibanejad, is struggling offensively because he has to focus so much on the defensive requirements of the system and this is impacting the even strength production of his line and Krieder. I have not seen Krieder play a minute this year though. 

Also, I understand the sentiment about not wanting to move players like Quinn or Kulich without getting a return that is a closer to a guaranteed good fit. The problem here is that, looking ahead to next year, Thompson, Tuch, Peterka, Cozens, Benson, Quinn, Kulich, McLeod = 8.  Add in that Krebs is emerging as a possible middle-6 option and that’s 9. This assumes we just let Zucker and Greenway walk in free agency, which would be odd considering they have been very good in their roles this year.  There is no room here to promote a prospect like Rosen. And how much better are we if we let Zucker go and replace him with the sort of vet you would get in return for Rosen?

I don’t think we are getting a legit top 6 forward, under 30 with term and a reasonable AAV, for Kulich or Quinn (or both combined). If that is the required return, it is likely better to just say you are ok with what we have. 
 

 

This is interesting and pertinent I think.  Do the Sabres have players who would fit  the scheme Laviolette wants to run?  I don't think we talk favorably about the 5v5 defensive capabilities of our forwards on here.  Are Kulich or Quinn the kind of players that the Rangers look to add?  Conceivably Greenway meets their needs but he's not a prospect.

Given the lack of success Buffalo has had I would agree that it is more likely than not that if a player has a m-NTC that includes 50% of the league that Buffalo is likely on that list.

I'm not interested in Trouba, I understand why people would be.  I would be interested in Kreider. He's a player that ups the grit level of the team and he has speed. He has a scoring ability and if he amounts to nothing more than a PP specialist due to his net front presence I don't know that the Sabres don't benefit. Zucker is filling that role lately and doing fairly well but in my head Kreider has historically been better.  I wouldn't worry about his contract, if it's one thing the Sabres haven't done is hit the cap.  So let's worry about that when they actually do it.

[North Buffalo]

Interesting article on Preds and potential teams selling. https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-fan-mailbag-november-27-2024

Any interest on pending FA Nyquist

Edited November 27 by North Buffalo

[xzy89c1]

On 11/26/2024 at 11:19 AM, triumph_communes said:

Not sure why Ryan Johnson hasn’t been given more chances I don’t think he’s ever been a liability when he’s played pro. Must not impress in practice 

his ceiling is 5th dman. more likely in out of lineup guy.

[PerreaultForever]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:35 AM, LTS said:

This is interesting and pertinent I think.  Do the Sabres have players who would fit  the scheme Laviolette wants to run?  I don't think we talk favorably about the 5v5 defensive capabilities of our forwards on here.  Are Kulich or Quinn the kind of players that the Rangers look to add?  Conceivably Greenway meets their needs but he's not a prospect.

Given the lack of success Buffalo has had I would agree that it is more likely than not that if a player has a m-NTC that includes 50% of the league that Buffalo is likely on that list.

I'm not interested in Trouba, I understand why people would be.  I would be interested in Kreider. He's a player that ups the grit level of the team and he has speed. He has a scoring ability and if he amounts to nothing more than a PP specialist due to his net front presence I don't know that the Sabres don't benefit. Zucker is filling that role lately and doing fairly well but in my head Kreider has historically been better.  I wouldn't worry about his contract, if it's one thing the Sabres haven't done is hit the cap.  So let's worry about that when they actually do it.

For type of player, it's possible the Rangers would want to make more than one deal so they could create cap space by moving player(s) to us for picks and prospects and then move picks and prospects to somebody like Nashville for example for a player they want to fit. 

Now regarding the NMC issue that is most definitely a reality but this is the Rangers so maybe it's different. Point being lots of players don't want to go to the west coast mid season away from their families and many also don't want to be moved to Canada for tax and travel issues. Being in NY state now, maybe Buffalo would be appealing to them the same way Kane wanted to go to Detroit for the geography and proximity to his family. 

I'm certainly more interested in Kreider than Trouba but if there's a good deal for both as maybe they are more motivated to get rid of Trouba and slightly discount Kreider to do it you make that move. 

Why Adams needs to act also is because you don't want a competitor to make that move. Bruins are talking to Rangers about Kreider. Do you want to see him end up there and make them better or do you want to make a deal and show the fans and players on this team that you are really serious this time. 

[oddoublee]

Last night was a great example of why Kreider should be looked at by the Sabres. One scoring line just ain't gonna do it. Quinn and Benson are just not there yet (yet). 

[nfreeman]

I have admired Kreider for a long time.  He is fast, tough, skilled, has good size, plays with an edge and is a very good goal-scorer.  He's also scored 48 goals in 123 playoff games.  He has 2 more years after this season at $6.5MM per year.  I would take that contract on in a heartbeat.

But he turns 34 in the playoffs this season.  There are very few scoring power forward types who have been effective at that age and later.  Most of them fall off the table pretty quickly.  His ice time is down 1:25 per game from last year.  So I'm not giving up Quinn or Kulich or JJP for him. 

If the Rangers want cap space and an NHL player for him, which I think is the case, I'd give them Greenway or Joki, plus Östlund, Rosen or a #1.

I don't think the Rangers would accept that type of offer, and I don't think KA would part with Quinn, Kulich or JJP for him.

[thewookie1]

8 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I have admired Kreider for a long time.  He is fast, tough, skilled, has good size, plays with an edge and is a very good goal-scorer.  He's also scored 48 goals in 123 playoff games.  He has 2 more years after this season at $6.5MM per year.  I would take that contract on in a heartbeat.

But he turns 34 in the playoffs this season.  There are very few scoring power forward types who have been effective at that age and later.  Most of them fall off the table pretty quickly.  His ice time is down 1:25 per game from last year.  So I'm not giving up Quinn or Kulich or JJP for him. 

If the Rangers want cap space and an NHL player for him, which I think is the case, I'd give them Greenway or Joki, plus Östlund, Rosen or a #1.

I don't think the Rangers would accept that type of offer, and I don't think KA would part with Quinn, Kulich or JJP for him.

I wouldn’t give out 1st the rest is accurate.

 

 

Also Jeff Marek has completely lost his mind by saying the Sabres are willing to trade Cozens, Quinn, Bryan or Power to Edmonton. Unless McDavid is coming our way there isnt a soul on the Oilers I’d trade any of them for. I’m assuming Draisital is also off the table.

[Archie Lee]

9 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I have admired Kreider for a long time.  He is fast, tough, skilled, has good size, plays with an edge and is a very good goal-scorer.  He's also scored 48 goals in 123 playoff games.  He has 2 more years after this season at $6.5MM per year.  I would take that contract on in a heartbeat.

But he turns 34 in the playoffs this season.  There are very few scoring power forward types who have been effective at that age and later.  Most of them fall off the table pretty quickly.  His ice time is down 1:25 per game from last year.  So I'm not giving up Quinn or Kulich or JJP for him. 

If the Rangers want cap space and an NHL player for him, which I think is the case, I'd give them Greenway or Joki, plus Östlund, Rosen or a #1.

I don't think the Rangers would accept that type of offer, and I don't think KA would part with Quinn, Kulich or JJP for him.

I’m sure Krieder’s partial NTC makes the Sabres a non-factor in any trade. 

That said, I don’t think anyone is suggesting JJP should be moved in such a deal. Quinn or Kulich are interesting. Kulich can still go down to the AHL, but at this point considering his role as a centre, he appears to be an NHLer (I would argue, as with Benson, that we didn’t draft him to be a middle-six plug-in and that he should be closer to producing at the NHL level before we promote him, but that ship has sailed with the Sabres’ current regime). 

At the moment, I don’t think we are getting a better player than Krieder in a trade for Quinn or Kulich (not without a ++ addition). So, if Quinn and Kulich (and Benson) are on the team, there really isn’t any space to add unless you are trading Cozens or JJP or Thompson, which is even less realistic. 

Krieder, in his decline, is on pace for a 38 goal season (82 games). Kulich and Quinn combined, are pacing for 7. I’m ok with patience and I’m ok with being aggressive. Adams has chosen to be patient while publicly promoting a willingness to be aggressive if a long-shot near perfect trade opportunity becomes available. He is, clearly in my view, hoping to shoot the gap and squeeze into the playoffs with the kids. 

[Pimlach]

19 hours ago, oddoublee said:

Last night was a great example of why Kreider should be looked at by the Sabres. One scoring line just ain't gonna do it. Quinn and Benson are just not there yet (yet). 

Agree.   And add Cozens to your list of players not there yet - he is on a pace for 16 goals and 32 points. That is not a productive 2C.  Will he get closer to his 31G and 68 point production of 2 years ago?  He is looking like a 3rd line player the past two seasons.  

Benson gives you two way hockey and some intensity, it remains to be seen if he can consistently score in the NHL. 

 

[inkman]

4 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

I wouldn’t give out 1st the rest is accurate.

 

 

Also Jeff Marek has completely lost his mind by saying the Sabres are willing to trade Cozens, Quinn, Bryan or Power to Edmonton. Unless McDavid is coming our way there isnt a soul on the Oilers I’d trade any of them for. I’m assuming Draisital is also off the table.

It’s almost so far fetched it has to be true?  It’s becoming increasingly difficult to take anything these guys seriously.  They sound like all the internet yahoos that just make stuff up 24/7.  

[Flashsabre]

6 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

I wouldn’t give out 1st the rest is accurate.

 

 

Also Jeff Marek has completely lost his mind by saying the Sabres are willing to trade Cozens, Quinn, Bryan or Power to Edmonton. Unless McDavid is coming our way there isnt a soul on the Oilers I’d trade any of them for. I’m assuming Draisital is also off the table.

What was the context of Marek’s comments?

That type of package  would be for a run at McDavid or Draisaitl only. He’s probably playing fantasy GM

[thewookie1]

1 minute ago, Flashsabre said:

What was the context of Marek’s comments?

That type of package  would be for a run at McDavid or Draisaitl only. He’s probably playing fantasy GM

He was on an Edmonton podcast or something of the like.

[tom webster]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

It’s almost so far fetched it has to be true?  It’s becoming increasingly difficult to take anything these guys seriously.  They sound like all the internet yahoos that just make stuff up 24/7.  

Marek never said any of those guys were offered to Edmonton. He mentioned the first three were struggling and then added that there were whispers about Power being available but he never once said any of them were being offered up, he just threw names out there after talking about how Edmonton needed to do something but would probably wait till January/February.

[Crusader1969]

21 hours ago, nfreeman said:

I have admired Kreider for a long time.  He is fast, tough, skilled, has good size, plays with an edge and is a very good goal-scorer.  He's also scored 48 goals in 123 playoff games.  He has 2 more years after this season at $6.5MM per year.  I would take that contract on in a heartbeat.

But he turns 34 in the playoffs this season.  There are very few scoring power forward types who have been effective at that age and later.  Most of them fall off the table pretty quickly.  His ice time is down 1:25 per game from last year.  So I'm not giving up Quinn or Kulich or JJP for him. 

If the Rangers want cap space and an NHL player for him, which I think is the case, I'd give them Greenway or Joki, plus Östlund, Rosen or a #1.

I don't think the Rangers would accept that type of offer, and I don't think KA would part with Quinn, Kulich or JJP for him.

Yep , there is no way you trade a piece like JJP, Quinn or Kulich for a guy who could become dead weight in the very near future.   Father Time catches up with everyone, including a soon to be 34 year old Chris Krieder 

[inkman]

10 hours ago, tom webster said:

Marek never said any of those guys were offered to Edmonton. He mentioned the first three were struggling and then added that there were whispers about Power being available but he never once said any of them were being offered up, he just threw names out there after talking about how Edmonton needed to do something but would probably wait till January/February.

The more I learn about you the less intrigued I get 😐