Speculation: What would you trade for Brady Tkachuk?

[freester]

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

[PromoTheRobot]

Other teams can watch our games, you know.

And where is this speculation you refer to?

Edited November 22 by PromoTheRobot

[mjd1001]

5 hours ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

Ottawa says no.

I'm not saying its not a package that has potential upside. If Cozens gets hot and Quiin turns into what most on this forum that he would be just 2 months ago, it would be a good deal for Ottawa.  So why does Ottawa say no?  They are likely to get a much better package (with a guy/guys who are ACTUALLY producing now and aren't 'projects') from someone else.

I'm not sure there is a new rumor that he 'wants out'.   As far as a trade wanting him, I think that rumor came form last season, and I'm pretty sure that was a lot more 'smoke' and not as much 'fire' anyway.

Edited November 23 by mjd1001

[triumph_communes]

33 minutes ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

Trash for treasure. Ueahhhh 

[Porous Five Hole]

3 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Trash for treasure. Ueahhhh 

To be fair, Cozens has scored 30 goals on what was projected to be a team friendly contract, Quinn is an Ottawa kid who still has a bright future, and a third piece may be fair…but it won’t be just Rosen lol

They may take a prospect like Rosen + a first rounder.  That’s four good pieces.  

[Scottysabres]

46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Other teams can watch our games, you know.

And where is this speculation you refer to?

Marc Methot put a post out on X about the possibility of an Ottawa core piece possibly being moved if the beatings continue in Ottawa.

Who knows, but I can't see them moving Tkachuk unless the piece(s) coming back are cornerstone.

[inkman]

1 hour ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

Ottawa all day.  They’ll want Owen Power. 

[JoeSchmoe]

33 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

Marc Methot put a post out on X about the possibility of an Ottawa core piece possibly being moved if the beatings continue in Ottawa.

Who knows, but I can't see them moving Tkachuk unless the piece(s) coming back are cornerstone.

Maybe we can reunite the Stutzle-Peterka line from the world Juniors. 

[Flashsabre]

Cozens, Quinn, Kulich, Levi

would you do that deal for Brady?

 There are certain people clamouring for Brady but to get Ottawa to trade their captain in division it would hurt. And I don’t know if those pieces would entice them.

Edited November 23 by Flashsabre

[SABRES 0311]

50 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Cozens, Quinn, Kulich, Levi

would you do that deal for Brady?

 There are certain people clamouring for Brady but to get Ottawa to trade their captain in division it would hurt. And I don’t know if those pieces would entice them.

Yes. All of them have high ceilings and offer a promising future core. For the Sabres they all suck right now except Kulich.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

I do. Hard no!

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

Cozens, Quinn, Kulich, Levi

would you do that deal for Brady?

 There are certain people clamouring for Brady but to get Ottawa to trade their captain in division it would hurt. And I don’t know if those pieces would entice them.

Again, hard no!

[Night Train]

They'd trade him to the other conference. Not to the rival Sabres . 

[GoPuckYourself]

We wouldn't get Tkachuk unless at least 1 cornerstone piece+ others go back to Ottawa which would probably mean Power+ our 1st+ Kulich or Helenius + Quinn imo. I'd still be looking at Nikolaj Ehlers of WPG, he's only 28, tons of speed, top 20 in pts, +10, fits the solid defensive game were trying to play. He only has a year left on his deal so what he'd reasonably sign for if we acquire him would be the question. I'm thinking our 1st, Rosen and Jokiharju would possibly be enough.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, Night Train said:

They'd trade him to the other conference. Not to the rival Sabres . 

I agree.

I think doing that is one of the dumbest things in sports (not trading within division or to your rivals), but I agree it does happen that way often.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I agree.

I think doing that is one of the dumbest things in sports (not trading within division or to your rivals), but I agree it does happen that way often.

I understand your position but disagree with it. In my view, there should be one overriding consideration: Does the deal make your team better? If you believe it does, then pull the trigger. How it impacts the other team shouldn't be a disqualifying factor for the team trading a player. Just my opinion. 

Edited November 23 by JohnC

[Archie Lee]

42 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

We wouldn't get Tkachuk unless at least 1 cornerstone piece+ others go back to Ottawa which would probably mean Power+ our 1st+ Kulich or Helenius + Quinn imo. I'd still be looking at Nikolaj Ehlers of WPG, he's only 28, tons of speed, top 20 in pts, +10, fits the solid defensive game were trying to play. He only has a year left on his deal so what he'd reasonably sign for if we acquire him would be the question. I'm thinking our 1st, Rosen and Jokiharju would possibly be enough.

I’m not going to have a link, but my recollection is that Ehlers was willing to accept a trade to Buffalo (he has some, but not full, trade protection), but the stumbling blocks were the cost (Jets wanted the moon) and an extension. Ehlers was not interested in signing an extension. There was no clarity on why?  It could have just been that he preferred getting to Buffalo first and seeing how he liked it and how he fit in. I don’t think it necessarily meant he was outright opposed to re-signing with the Sabres. With the start that the Jets and Ehlers have had, I don’t think such a trade has become more likely. 

[GoPuckYourself]

52 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I’m not going to have a link, but my recollection is that Ehlers was willing to accept a trade to Buffalo (he has some, but not full, trade protection), but the stumbling blocks were the cost (Jets wanted the moon) and an extension. Ehlers was not interested in signing an extension. There was no clarity on why?  It could have just been that he preferred getting to Buffalo first and seeing how he liked it and how he fit in. I don’t think it necessarily meant he was outright opposed to re-signing with the Sabres. With the start that the Jets and Ehlers have had, I don’t think such a trade has become more likely. 

Yes I remember hearing this also, that is the risk you take with any rental but if you have a great environment around him there is no reason he can’t be persuaded to re-sign. If he is part of the reason we make it to the playoffs in 13 years I’m sure he’ll see how awesome the fan base can be.

 

[Demoted]

16 hours ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

Anyone that isn't the Sabres says no.

[sabresparaavida]

1 hour ago, GoPuckYourself said:

We wouldn't get Tkachuk unless at least 1 cornerstone piece+ others go back to Ottawa which would probably mean Power+ our 1st+ Kulich or Helenius + Quinn imo. I'd still be looking at Nikolaj Ehlers of WPG, he's only 28, tons of speed, top 20 in pts, +10, fits the solid defensive game were trying to play. He only has a year left on his deal so what he'd reasonably sign for if we acquire him would be the question. I'm thinking our 1st, Rosen and Jokiharju would possibly be enough.

I don’t see why the team that’s been the best in the league this season would trade a guy playing like a high end first liner. 

[kas23]

I don’t think Cozens or Quinn are damaged goods. They just need some extra time to figure things out. They may benefit from a change in scenery, but I would give other teams a discount based on their current production. The only negative with Cozens is is his contract. Luckily Quinn doesn’t have such an anchor around his neck. 

[Jorcus]

17 hours ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

The question is why does he want out? If it's true is there a legit reason? Is it an Eichel type situation or something else. He is worth a lot and Ottawa is not under any gun to do a deal. With his contract it would take more than an Eichel deal to get it done for any team and even more for a division team. 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

17 hours ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

Me.

[LTS]

18 hours ago, freester said:

I’m offering Cozens, Quinn , Rosen.
 

Who says no? 

I don't Tkachuk anywhere near the Sabres.  Until he grows up he's a liability on the ice. Not only that, but what the Sabres give up creates more holes in the lineup than Tkachuk fills.

The Sabres get Tkachuk and people are going be mad every time he takes a stupid penalty.

[Taro T]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I agree.

I think doing that is one of the dumbest things in sports (not trading within division or to your rivals), but I agree it does happen that way often.

Except there is a logic to having a reluctance to trade with your rivals; especially if the trade involves a "star" player.  Your fans will come after you with pitchforks every single time that star player does something good against your team.  And even if the fans get to a point where they might forget about it, the local media drums the fury back up every time it happens and the pitchforks and torches are back out.  If the fans come after you often enough and hard enough, your job security tumbles.

It's the psychology of the game.  And it's in the same vein of why a guy like Danny Paille essentially got ran out of town here in Buffalo but was a contributor on a SC winning Bruins squad.  He was a 1st rounder here, and had expectations of being a top 6 F because of that.  And he couldn't live up to those expectations because he wasn't anywhere close to a 1st or even a 2nd liner.  But he was a very effective 4th liner.

[mjd1001]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

I understand your position but disagree with it. In my view, there should be one overriding consideration: Does the deal make your team better? If you believe it does, then pull the trigger. How it impacts the other team shouldn't be a disqualifying factor for the team trading a player. Just my opinion. 

Well that is my point. I think it is dumb to not trade in your division. If a trade makes you better, do it.

If you can be .001% better by trading with Boston instead of Vegas, then trade with Boston. Sure you might be making Boston better, but the goal is to win the cup, you have to beat EVERYONE to do that.

I don't care if its Boston, Toronto....doesn't matter, you make the trade that makes your team best, division or not.