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[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, JustOutsideChicago said:

When Eichel wanted to do the alternate neck surgery, do you think it was ultimately Terry that said no? My guess is it was him.

From a risk perspective, I can understand it. But when it’s already tough to acquire free agents and get off no trade lists, I feel like he needed to give in. Frankly I think that entire situation gave them a pretty big black eye as far as optics. Feel like there needed to be a forest through the trees mentality in that scenario. 

I'm sure Terry was informed but I think it was Adams. And most of the "black eye" was generated by Eichel's management, pumping out info to friendly media to pressure the Sabres.

It's not the popular take but the Sabres were 100% right not to cave to Eichel.. He already said he wanted out. Then he expected the Sabres to assume all the risk of his surgery? 

Another unpopular take: Adams did a great job with the Eichel trade while the hockey world second-guessed him every step of the way. The pressure to "just move on" and "get whatever" for Eichel was intense. (That was certainly the belief of 90% of posters here.) But he held his cards until a team paid proper value.

Adams has been through the wringer and still manages to maintain his poise. And he doesn't get any credit for his player decisions. Waiting for UPL to click, picking Benson when everyone said Rossi, trading up for JJ Peterka, signing Zucker, trading for McLeod, etc. 

If the Sabres are that unbearable, I challenge anyone who feels that way to shut the team off. Don't watch, don't go to games, don't follow them because you already know that will disappoint you, right?

[LabattBlue]

A lot of McD and BB mistakes are covered up by the greatness of Allen.  They are both in the top half of the NFL, but not sure I would say either is top 5.  

[#freejame]

1 hour ago, inkman said:

Exactly none. Everyone loves to bitch but not actually do anything about it. 

I’ll have you know I had to sign into my gmail account to give Terry a ***** score so I did my part 

[Thorner]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm sure Terry was informed but I think it was Adams. And most of the "black eye" was generated by Eichel's management, pumping out info to friendly media to pressure the Sabres.

It's not the popular take but the Sabres were 100% right not to cave to Eichel.. He already said he wanted out. Then he expected the Sabres to assume all the risk of his surgery? 

Another unpopular take: Adams did a great job with the Eichel trade while the hockey world second-guessed him every step of the way. The pressure to "just move on" and "get whatever" for Eichel was intense. (That was certainly the belief of 90% of posters here.) But he held his cards until a team paid proper value.

Adams has been through the wringer and still manages to maintain his poise. And he doesn't get any credit for his player decisions. Waiting for UPL to click, picking Benson when everyone said Rossi, trading up for JJ Peterka, signing Zucker, trading for McLeod, etc. 

If the Sabres are that unbearable, I challenge anyone who feels that way to shut the team off. Don't watch, don't go to games, don't follow them because you already know that will disappoint you, right?

Forest from the trees. The reputation risk seemed to go unbalanced in the equation. I think their chosen tact was far more risky, and it bore out: BEFORE we even consider the on-ice roster differences resulting *directly* from the Vegas swap.

The other end of it is, as you present it, almost entirely rooted in scorned emotion: “he asked out, now he wants this? Screw him.”

Zero accountability from the organization, when it mattered most. Why is that? *THEY* tanked to get Jack Eichel. Prioritizing Jack above the rest of the roster wasn’t just what they signed up for, it was their *enacted strategy from day one*. They thought they could renege in the end, after failing to build a team around the man they torpedoed the team for, and anointed savior?

They refused to lie in the bed they made, when a franchise player asked out, not even because of their failings, but because they intimated they wanted to replicate them, in enacting another long form rebuild, their cheap “hack” to get high talent, at the cost of the prime of the player they burned the first go-round?

So full of hubris. 

You let him get the surgery. Look at the results of situation, with an honest eye, I dare you, or anyone 

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm sure Terry was informed but I think it was Adams. And most of the "black eye" was generated by Eichel's management, pumping out info to friendly media to pressure the Sabres.

It's not the popular take but the Sabres were 100% right not to cave to Eichel.. He already said he wanted out. Then he expected the Sabres to assume all the risk of his surgery? 

Another unpopular take: Adams did a great job with the Eichel trade while the hockey world second-guessed him every step of the way. The pressure to "just move on" and "get whatever" for Eichel was intense. (That was certainly the belief of 90% of posters here.) But he held his cards until a team paid proper value.

Adams has been through the wringer and still manages to maintain his poise. And he doesn't get any credit for his player decisions. Waiting for UPL to click, picking Benson when everyone said Rossi, trading up for JJ Peterka, signing Zucker, trading for McLeod, etc. 

If the Sabres are that unbearable, I challenge anyone who feels that way to shut the team off. Don't watch, don't go to games, don't follow them because you already know that will disappoint you, right?

He doesn’t get credit because his teams have averaged 76 points a season since he took over. These teams are inclusive and reflective of the moves you mention 

results 

[Stoner]

Nate Silver says TP has a 33.156% chance of not being the worst owner.

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[inkman]

51 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

A lot of McD and BB mistakes are covered up by the greatness of Allen.  They are both in the top half of the NFL, but not sure I would say either is top 5.  

I mean sure they did also draft and develop our savior 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This.

Buffalo was never the easiest place to get players to sign and the drought doesn't help. So Adams is trying to build through the draft, which takes longer. I like most of Adam's picks. Granato got the team moving in the right direction. Now I'm hoping Ruff completes the job. I see progress but they have to be consistent. Injuries keep setting us back. 

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership? 

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, jad1 said:

In regards to meddling.  Do you think a good GM let's his owner meddle?  Do you think that Big Baller Beane starts off his day every morning waiting for notes from Terry?  Instead of asking Terry what he wants to do, he tells Terry, this is what we're doing.

The Sabres hire a similiarily good GM, and all this talk about meddling will go away.  Just like it did with the Bills.

The flawed assumption is that Pegula will hire a good GM. I think he wants a GM that will allow him to have 'his say'.

As was posted last week, there are several articles, and even direct quotes from the Pegulas that the primary reason they fired Botts is because the hockey dept headed by him wasn't 'listening' to the Pegulas as much as they wanted. So...you hire Adams who is basically the mouthpiece for them.

Was Botts a good GM? I don't know, but the primary reason he was fired is that the Pegulas thought they were being 'shut out' of hockey decisions by him.  They said that directly.

[jad1]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

The flawed assumption is that Pegula will hire a good GM. I think he wants a GM that will allow him to have 'his say'.

As was posted last week, there are several articles, and even direct quotes from the Pegulas that the primary reason they fired Botts is because the hockey dept headed by him wasn't 'listening' to the Pegulas as much as they wanted. So...you hire Adams who is basically the mouthpiece for them.

Was Botts a good GM? I don't know, but the primary reason he was fired is that the Pegulas thought they were being 'shut out' of hockey decisions by him.  They said that directly.

I'm not assuming that he will hire a good GM.  I'm saying that the only way it happens is by luck.  With that said, I don't think he should stop trying, even if the odds are against him hiring a good one.  

As for the GMs who he fired, they deserved it.  Regardless whether the Pegulas felt shut out, they still couldn't build a winner around a team that has two #2 overall picks and two #1 overall picks on the roster.  I got no problem with those guys being fired.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership? 

That depends. Do you want me to base that opinion on what I know or what I can imagine?

[jad1]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That depends. Do you want me to base that opinion on what I know or what I can imagine?

How wild is your imagination? 

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

A lot of McD and BB mistakes are covered up by the greatness of Allen.  They are both in the top half of the NFL, but not sure I would say either is top 5.  

 

2 hours ago, inkman said:

I mean sure they did also draft and develop our savior 

 

Give me a break!  Josh Allen didn't wander in off the street. Brandon Beane had to "Draft Day" his way to the #7 pick to get Allen, when everyone and their mother said Josh was a stiff and we should take Josh Rosen.

And the popular opinion going into this season was the Bills were "in transition" and might not even make the playoffs. Look where we are now. To downplay what Beane and McDermott have done with the Bills is laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

Edited Tuesday at 11:35 PM by PromoTheRobot

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, jad1 said:

How wild is your imagination? 

Everyone is pretty good at coming up with their own fantasies. You don't need mine.

[LabattBlue]

43 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

Give me a break!  Josh Allen didn't wander in off the street. Brandon Beane had to "Draft Day" his way to the #7 pick to get Allen, when everyone and their mother said Josh was a stiff and we should take Josh Rosen.

And the popular opinion going into this season was the Bills were "in transition" and might not even make the playoffs. Look where we are now. To downplay what Beane and McDermott have done with the Bills is laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

You missed my point.  Yes I give them credit for drafting and developing Josh.  I just think a lot of McD & BB misses are overlooked because of Josh being able to cover them up.  

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, jad1 said:

Terry hired a good GM for the Bills, and bad GMs for the Sabres.  How did this happen? Pure luck.  But that's the only difference.

I think the difference is that Terry  knows he doesn't know anything about football so he lets the hired people do their job and just enjoys his investment. 

On the other hand, he THINKS he knows a lot about hockey so he's the de facto GM. 

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That depends. Do you want me to base that opinion on what I know or what I can imagine?

Depends on what? What I know, and you know and everyone else knows is what his franchise's record is during his nearly a generation of ownership. It's not a mystery. If you want to ignore the reality of his tenure, that's your prerogative. His record as an owner is abysmal. 

[inkman]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

Give me a break!  Josh Allen didn't wander in off the street. Brandon Beane had to "Draft Day" his way to the #7 pick to get Allen, when everyone and their mother said Josh was a stiff and we should take Josh Rosen.

And the popular opinion going into this season was the Bills were "in transition" and might not even make the playoffs. Look where we are now. To downplay what Beane and McDermott have done with the Bills is laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

I agree with you? 
 

[Pimlach]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That depends. Do you want me to base that opinion on what I know or what I can imagine?

[jad1]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think the difference is that Terry  knows he doesn't know anything about football so he lets the hired people do their job and just enjoys his investment. 

On the other hand, he THINKS he knows a lot about hockey so he's the de facto GM. 

He could be Toe Blake, and a legit GM would still tell him to stand in the corner and let him do his job.

[Flashsabre]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think the difference is that Terry  knows he doesn't know anything about football so he lets the hired people do their job and just enjoys his investment. 

On the other hand, he THINKS he knows a lot about hockey so he's the de facto GM. 

Well atleast Terry hasn’t outright named himself GM like Jerry Jones.😜

[7+6=13]

7 hours ago, Pimlach said:

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership? 

Yes and do it tomorrow and every day thereafter.  You will then be smart like everyone else.

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think the difference is that Terry  knows he doesn't know anything about football so he lets the hired people do their job and just enjoys his investment. 

On the other hand, he THINKS he knows a lot about hockey so he's the de facto GM. 

This is actually quite obnoxious.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

You missed my point.  Yes I give them credit for drafting and developing Josh.  I just think a lot of McD & BB misses are overlooked because of Josh being able to cover them up.  

No GM/coach/scout is perfect. You'll never find a regime that never whiffed on a player. Who are these misses? Elam, maybe? For every miss they hit on 4 or 5. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, JohnC said:

Depends on what? What I know, and you know and everyone else knows is what his franchise's record is during his nearly a generation of ownership. It's not a mystery. If you want to ignore the reality of his tenure, that's your prerogative. His record as an owner is abysmal. 

I'm being asked for an opinion of ownership without knowing what Terry contributes to team operations. Is he a meddling micro-manager? Is he just an observer, listening to what Adams tells him? I don't know. I'm not there watching him. So how can I pass judgement? His record is obvious but not indicative of his role in it, beyond the hiring of GM's. And we've already established most team owners are just lucky/unlucky with hires.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

Yes and do it tomorrow and every day thereafter.  You will then be smart like everyone else.

This is actually quite obnoxious.

why?