NHL ownership survey, rate your owner

[LGR4GM]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5925301/2024/11/19/nhl-ownership-fan-survey-2024-25?source=user-shared-article

The Athletic is doing an ownership survey. You need a sub to get to it but they ask about willingness to spend, vision, and confidence. 

[Porous Five Hole]

[PromoTheRobot]

How many of you will subscribe just to dump on Terry?

[shrader]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

How many of you will subscribe just to dump on Terry?

I hope they do the nfl too because I want to see those side by side. It’s one hell of a head scratcher. 

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, shrader said:

I hope they do the nfl too because I want to see those side by side. It’s one hell of a head scratcher. 

If you are referring to the difference between the success of the Bills and the Sabres, I don't really think so:

-There are more layers and complexity between the owner and the roster in the NFL than in the NHL. 'meddling' is a bit harder in the NFL (to have as much of an impact)

-Josh Allen.  Without him I doubt this bills team would be in the playoffs all these years.  But a great QB you (or your staff) stumbles upon can do that in the NFL. In the NHL, unless your last name is Hasek and you are in your prime, one 'lucky' or 'random' draft pick turning into a star doesn't grant you that same level of success.

-The Bills are his 'shiny new toy' compared to the Sabres.  He gets more attention from them, and right now they are doing better, so its a lot easier for him to want to cut costs with the Sabres and try to 'do things on the cheap' than it would be with the Bills.

[PromoTheRobot]

9 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

If you are referring to the difference between the success of the Bills and the Sabres, I don't really think so:

-There are more layers and complexity between the owner and the roster in the NFL than in the NHL. 'meddling' is a bit harder in the NFL (to have as much of an impact)

-Josh Allen.  Without him I doubt this bills team would be in the playoffs all these years.  But a great QB you (or your staff) stumbles upon can do that in the NFL. In the NHL, unless your last name is Hasek and you are in your prime, one 'lucky' or 'random' draft pick turning into a star doesn't grant you that same level of success.

-The Bills are his 'shiny new toy' compared to the Sabres.  He gets more attention from them, and right now they are doing better, so its a lot easier for him to want to cut costs with the Sabres and try to 'do things on the cheap' than it would be with the Bills.

Cool story, bro.

[jad1]

7 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

If you are referring to the difference between the success of the Bills and the Sabres, I don't really think so:

-There are more layers and complexity between the owner and the roster in the NFL than in the NHL. 'meddling' is a bit harder in the NFL (to have as much of an impact)

-Josh Allen.  Without him I doubt this bills team would be in the playoffs all these years.  But a great QB you (or your staff) stumbles upon can do that in the NFL. In the NHL, unless your last name is Hasek and you are in your prime, one 'lucky' or 'random' draft pick turning into a star doesn't grant you that same level of success.

-The Bills are his 'shiny new toy' compared to the Sabres.  He gets more attention from them, and right now they are doing better, so its a lot easier for him to want to cut costs with the Sabres and try to 'do things on the cheap' than it would be with the Bills.

Terry hired a good GM for the Bills, and bad GMs for the Sabres.  How did this happen? Pure luck.  But that's the only difference.

[sabremike]

My rating of our ownership:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero

[mjd1001]

33 minutes ago, jad1 said:

Terry hired a good GM for the Bills, and bad GMs for the Sabres.  How did this happen? Pure luck.  But that's the only difference.

I dont' think thats it.  Terry hired a good GM for the Bills sure, but has he hired so many bad GM's in a row for the Sabres? Or is it that he wants to kinda 'play GM himself' to an extent with the Sabres and keeps screwing it up? I think it is more of the latter.

36 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Cool story, bro.

What?

[PromoTheRobot]

7 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I dont' think thats it.  Terry hired a good GM for the Bills sure, but has he hired so many bad GM's in a row for the Sabres? Or is it that he wants to kinda 'play GM himself' to an extent with the Sabres and keeps screwing it up? I think it is more of the latter.

What?

You're take on what Terry is doing.

[JohnC]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

You're take on what Terry is doing.

What's your take on how TP is doing? He's owned the hockey team for nearly a generation. His record is his record. 

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

How many of you will subscribe just to dump on Terry?

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership? 

[jad1]

8 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I dont' think thats it.  Terry hired a good GM for the Bills sure, but has he hired so many bad GM's in a row for the Sabres? Or is it that he wants to kinda 'play GM himself' to an extent with the Sabres and keeps screwing it up? I think it is more of the latter.

What?

Terry hired circus clown Rex Ryan before hired McDermott.  In the two years that Rex stumbled his way through coaching the Bills, there was all manner of discussion of Terry needing to hire director of football operations, a football czar.  Bill Polian was often mentioned for the role (Polian was not a fan of Josh Allen, so we're lucky that never happened).

So Terry fired Rex (Terry is AWESOME at firing people; it's his super power), and hired McDermott.  Why did he make this decision? He made it because Sean was a wrestler, and Terry liked wrestlers.  Sean told Terry that if he's looking for a GM, he knows a guy named Brandon, who would be really good.  Terry hired them and is now considered an exceptional NFL owner.

Terry is just bad at hiring front offices.  He (and we) got lucky that McDermott was a wrestler.  He hasn't gotten lucky on the Sabres side yet, and for some reason he's ignored his super power and has refused to fire Adams for the last 3 or 4 years, so here we are, waiting and praying that Terry is lucky in his next decision.

And Terry isn't unique.  The vast majority of owners have no skill in hiring GMs.  It's all mostly luck.  

[inkman]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

How many of you will subscribe just to dump on Terry?

Exactly none. Everyone loves to bitch but not actually do anything about it. 

[LabattBlue]

13 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership? 

Enquiring minds want to know! 😂

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, jad1 said:

And Terry isn't unique.  The vast majority of owners have no skill in hiring GMs.  It's all mostly luck.  

This.

 

16 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

So how do you rate the Sabres ownership? 

 

29 minutes ago, JohnC said:

What's your take on how TP is doing? He's owned the hockey team for nearly a generation. His record is his record. 

Buffalo was never the easiest place to get players to sign and the drought doesn't help. So Adams is trying to build through the draft, which takes longer. I like most of Adam's picks. Granato got the team moving in the right direction. Now I'm hoping Ruff completes the job. I see progress but they have to be consistent. Injuries keep setting us back. 

[Thorner]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I dont' think thats it.  Terry hired a good GM for the Bills sure, but has he hired so many bad GM's in a row for the Sabres? Or is it that he wants to kinda 'play GM himself' to an extent with the Sabres and keeps screwing it up? I think it is more of the latter.

What?

He’s only hired 3 GMs in 14 years. By far the most likely scenario is they just aren’t good GMs 

 

55 minutes ago, JohnC said:

What's your take on how TP is doing? He's owned the hockey team for nearly a generation. His record is his record. 

He’s not the GM. He’s not micromanaging the roster 

He’s handcuffing Adams with a self-imposed cap 

38 minutes ago, jad1 said:

And Terry isn't unique.  The vast majority of owners have no skill in hiring GMs.  It's all mostly luck.  

And they almost all meddle 

 

37 minutes ago, inkman said:

Exactly none. Everyone loves to bitch but not actually do anything about it. 

Such is why we can find the votes by way of the empty seats, instead 

 

11 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He's owned the team for I believe 13 years. During that period of time he was instrumental in the hiring process of the upper staff. The people who he hired to make the hockey decisions have not succeeded during that extended interlude. The onus of his decisions do not make him a successful owner, at least that is how I view it. 

I agree. He’s staffing under qualified candidates, and failing to maximize their chances by limiting their budget. Of course the buck always stops at the top

What we can reject is that he’s some sort of devil behind the curtain, sabotaging these amazing teams the GMs would be building if he just f*cked off (which, again, almost no owners do)

People are trying way, way too hard to find reasons/evidence for some sort of bizarre behind the scenes strong arming. Occam’s razor is a term literally invented for these moments:

teams that don’t spend don’t make the playoffs. Teams that are really young don’t make the playoffs. We are both. We don’t need to invent anything beyond those handcuffs.

This is the strategy Adams *signed up for* that he said he could use to mold a championship team. They are part and parcel. 

The new Finkle and Einhorn 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thorner

[JohnC]

Just now, Thorner said:

He’s not the GM. He’s not micromanaging the roster 

He's owned the team for I believe 13 years. During that period of time he was instrumental in the hiring process of the upper staff. The people who he hired to make the hockey decisions have not succeeded during that extended interlude. The onus of his decisions do not make him a successful owner, at least that is how I view it. 

[Brawndo]

[Dreams Burn Down]

33 minutes ago, jad1 said:

He made it because Sean was a wrestler, and Terry liked wrestlers.

How about this guy for the next Sabres GM?

 

 

[Thorner]

14 minutes ago, JohnC said:

He's owned the team for I believe 13 years. During that period of time he was instrumental in the hiring process of the upper staff. The people who he hired to make the hockey decisions have not succeeded during that extended interlude. The onus of his decisions do not make him a successful owner, at least that is how I view it. 

I somehow quoted a post from the future 

[LabattBlue]

I let my subscription lapse, but the answer to all questions on a scale of 1 to 5, with 5 being the highest, TP gets a ZERO for all questions. 😂

[JustOutsideChicago]

When Eichel wanted to do the alternate neck surgery, do you think it was ultimately Terry that said no? My guess is it was him.

From a risk perspective, I can understand it. But when it’s already tough to acquire free agents and get off no trade lists, I feel like he needed to give in. Frankly I think that entire situation gave them a pretty big black eye as far as optics. Feel like there needed to be a forest through the trees mentality in that scenario. 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, Dreams Burn Down said:

How about this guy for the next Sabres GM?

 

 

The finding-a-hockey-version-of-Rex-Ryan strategy.

[jad1]

41 minutes ago, Thorner said:

He’s only hired 3 GMs in 14 years. By far the most likely scenario is they just aren’t good GMs 

 

He’s not the GM. He’s not micromanaging the roster 

He’s handcuffing Adams with a self-imposed cap 

And they almost all meddle 

 

Such is why we can find the votes by way of the empty seats, instead 

 

I agree. He’s staffing under qualified candidates, and failing to maximize their chances by limiting their budget. Of course the buck always stops at the top

What we can reject is that he’s some sort of devil behind the curtain, sabotaging these amazing teams the GMs would be building if he just f*cked off (which, again, almost no owners do)

People are trying way, way too hard to find reasons/evidence for some sort of bizarre behind the scenes strong arming. Occam’s razor is a term literally invented for these moments:

teams that don’t spend don’t make the playoffs. Teams that are really young don’t make the playoffs. We are both. We don’t need to invent anything beyond those handcuffs.

This is the strategy Adams *signed up for* that he said he could use to mold a championship team. They are part and parcel. 

The new Finkle and Einhorn 

In regards to meddling.  Do you think a good GM let's his owner meddle?  Do you think that Big Baller Beane starts off his day every morning waiting for notes from Terry?  Instead of asking Terry what he wants to do, he tells Terry, this is what we're doing.

The Sabres hire a similiarily good GM, and all this talk about meddling will go away.  Just like it did with the Bills.

Edited 53 minutes ago by jad1