Jeff Skinner on trade watch from Edmonton after only 6 points in 17 games

[mjd1001]

6 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

GM decisions: either to ditch Skinner to make the playoffs or reacquire Taylor Hall to go for the draft lottery win.

 

Can you imagine a team with both Jeff Skinner and Taylor Hall on it?

I still remember living it for that half season. pretty vividly.  How many games did they actually play for the Sabres? couldn't have been more than 40 though.

Edited Tuesday at 09:41 PM by mjd1001

[French Collection]

Oilers claimed Kasperi Kapanen from waivers.

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

I still remember living it for that half season. pretty vividly.  How many games did they actually play for the Sabres? couldn't have been more than 40 though.

Just under. It looks like they were together in the lineup for 34 games. Their final game together was a 3-2 SO win over the Rangers on 4/3/21. The Sabres record after that win: 8-23-6.

The result of them together? No playoffs. Unlimited (Owen) Power!

Edited Tuesday at 11:34 PM by DarthEbriate

[PromoTheRobot]

On 11/16/2024 at 2:49 PM, Big Guava said:

Speculation Edmonton is not happy with his lack of production and will be looking to move him soon...

https://oilonwhyte.com/likely-trade-destinations-for-jeff-skinner

On 11/16/2024 at 2:51 PM, Porous Five Hole said:

Zero points and a -5 in the last four games.  I don’t think the Sabres are regretting the buyout.  

Got us a new roof and a scoreboard.

[PromoTheRobot]

On 11/16/2024 at 6:44 PM, Crusader1969 said:

Who could have seen this coming ?  

The people who questioned how we were going to replace his goal scoring on the Sabres.

[JoeSchmoe]

11 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

The people who questioned how we were going to replace his goal scoring on the Sabres.

I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but Skinner is just being miscast. 

If you put Skinner on a line with good players, he's going to score. He'll clean up the garbage and knock home bad angle one-timers that not a lot of other players can. 

He absolutely can not drive a line, so if you put him with 3rd liners that don't generate chances, he's going to suck just like he did with Krueger.

If he were here playing on our 1st line, he'd for sure be a downgrade from Peterka. BUT, if Peterka were on our 2nd line, I think that line would actually be good and we'd be stronger as a team.

Unpopular, I know... But we've seen Skinner play lower in the lineup to the exact same result.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:01 AM by JoeSchmoe

[PerreaultForever]

48 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but Skinner is just being miscast. 

If you put Skinner on a line with good players, he's going to score. He'll clean up the garbage and knock home bad angle one-timers that not a lot of other players can. 

He absolutely can not drive a line, so if you put him with 3rd liners that don't generate chances, he's going to suck just like he did with Krueger.

If he were here playing on our 1st line, he'd for sure be a downgrade from Peterka. BUT, if Peterka were on our 2nd line, I think that line would actually be good and we'd be stronger as a team.

Unpopular, I know... But we've seen Skinner play lower in the lineup to the exact same result.

 

No offense but this is rubbish. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Ruff insisted on Skinner off the roster as a condition to take the job. The guy has ZERO work ethic, is completely uncoachable, and his attitude rubs off on players around him. It is not a fluke that he has never been in the playoffs and it is not a coincidence that more than one team has wanted him gone. 

Yes, Kreuger was right about this. maybe the only thing he was right about, but he was right about this. 

[That Aud Smell]

11 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

If you put Skinner on a line with good players, he's going to score.

And the team will ultimately miss the playoffs. 

Book it.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

And the team will ultimately miss the playoffs. 

Book it.

I have never been a Skinner basher. However, Carolina understood beyond the goal scoring stats what he was as a player and how he fit in with what the coaching staff wanted to establish as a team. (He didn't fit in.) We then belatedly came to our own conclusion about him as a player. It seems that Edmonton is now coming to the same realization. If one dimensional players are not prolific, they then become liabilities. He is what he is and what he has always been. Some organizations are quicker to see. 

[EM88]

13 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

If you put Skinner on a line with good players, he's going to score.

 

Technically correct.  He will score just like he has this year, but scoring 3 goals is scoring, but certainly not enough.  He has had some time with Edmonton's top players. I think he was skating with McDavid on a line and McDavid set him up on Skinner's first goal of the year.  But in the time he spent with those top guys, he did so little that they quickly removed him from those guys and his ice time fell.

2 or more years ago I think it would be correct to say that if you put him on a top line he would put away the garbage and put up goals.  But in the last year or two I think his ability to do that has drastically receded and he just doesn't have much of it left anymore.

Skinner is not a skater he functions better in the half-court type of game.  I think his best bet to return to maybe a 20-25 goal scorer would be if he was moved to Toronto. I think he would function well on one of their 2 top lines. But that is one of the few places left I think he would fit in, and even then I have my doubts he would reach those heights of production.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I have never been a Skinner basher. However, Carolina understood beyond the goal scoring stats what he was as a player and how he fit in with what the coaching staff wanted to establish as a team. (He didn't fit in.) We then belatedly came to our own conclusion about him as a player. It seems that Edmonton is now coming to the same realization. If one dimensional players are not prolific, they then become liabilities. He is what he is and what he has always been. Some organizations are quicker to see. 

Does Carolina really deserve all that much credit since they kept the guy around for 8 years?

[Thorner]

Teams have made the playoffs with players worse than Skinner, teams will make the playoffs this year with players worse than Skinner, and teams will continue to make the playoffs going forward with players worse than Skinner. Bogosian was a mystic detriment to a team making the playoffs until he wasn’t. The sabres were a point away two years ago: the gods didn’t step in because of Jeff: he was a central reason we were as close as we were.

Edmonton is in a playoff spot right now. 

I’m not saying he’s who you target specifically, at this stage of his career: but sometimes I think people actually think Taylor Hall provides lottery luck or Jeff Skinner represents a curse against making it 

Edited yesterday at 02:57 PM by Thorner

[That Aud Smell]

28 minutes ago, Thorner said:

but sometimes I think people actually think ... Jeff Skinner represents a curse against making it 

[spndnchz]

Ohhhh bitch fight!

[That Aud Smell]

1 hour ago, spndnchz said:

Ohhhh bitch fight!

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, shrader said:

Does Carolina really deserve all that much credit since they kept the guy around for 8 years?

Based on Carolina's record and playoff history over the past decade I would give a lot of credit to their decision-making. You are making a big mistake if you want to make a determinative judgment on a team's operation based on a single player transaction. Overall, their body of work associated with hockey decisions is stellar. How do I know? Their record and playoff participation. Overall, the body of work associated with Buffalo's hockey decision is to put it kindly is very inadequate. How do I know? Check out our record and playoff appearances over the past decade or so. 

[Crusader1969]

18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

The people who questioned how we were going to replace his goal scoring on the Sabres.

He fell off a cliff once he lost his 1st line winger job to JJP

 

6 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

And the team will ultimately miss the playoffs. 

Book it.

I agree, imagine if he was on a line with McDavid? Or if he was on a line with Draisaitl ?  He would be scoring like crazy.  
oh wait, I'm just being told  he did start the season playing on lines with 2 of the best players on the NHL and did so well that he now plays on a line with RNH

They just claimed Kapanen off waivers.  He could find a spot in the press box next.   I can't imagine any role for him once Kane returns 

The biggest issue with Skinner is and always will be - if he isn't scoring, he brings you absolutely nothing else 

for the last year or so, he scores in 1 in every 7 games or so   The other 6, how much does he cost you ?? And is that worth it for a goal in the 7th game?   Not a chance 

 

[Crusader1969]

18 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

No offense but this is rubbish. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Ruff insisted on Skinner off the roster as a condition to take the job. The guy has ZERO work ethic, is completely uncoachable, and his attitude rubs off on players around him. It is not a fluke that he has never been in the playoffs and it is not a coincidence that more than one team has wanted him gone. 

Yes, Kreuger was right about this. maybe the only thing he was right about, but he was right about this. 

1000%.   Truer words have never been spoken.   
my guess is that yes the Oilers will make the playoffs and that Jeff Skinner will be traded.   The Oilers seem to have realized already that this isn't a player you want on your team 

[That Aud Smell]

Looking at some of the recent posts - including my own - I want to add: I don't mean the criticism of Skinner's play to be an indictment on dude's character. I mean - I'm sure he's a nice guy and even a good hang.

The more distance I have from him, though, the more I conclude that, with regard to his preparation and play, he is, at his best, a light-hearted agent of chaos. 

With regard to the chaos: He can (could?) score in bunches because he can (could?) snipe and his edge work is (was ?) ridiculous. But he doesn't fit well within systems. He's not reliable. He's not predictable.

[Thorner]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

Looking at some of the recent posts - including my own - I want to add: I don't mean the criticism of Skinner's play to be an indictment on dude's character. I mean - I'm sure he's a nice guy and even a good hang.

The more distance I have from him, though, the more I conclude that, with regard to his preparation and play, he is, at his best, a light-hearted agent of chaos. 

With regard to the chaos: He can (could?) score in bunches because he can (could?) snipe and his edge work is (was ?) ridiculous. But he doesn't fit well within systems. He's not reliable. He's not predictable.

He predictably led the league or was near the top of the league in penalties drawn for quite a few years, allowing any team with a capable power play a world of opportunity. Scholars will document whether we capitalized on that. Skinner may be totally shot, now, I don’t watch much hockey, but there was a good stretch of time where he was a very strong overall positive in the right fit 

If the buyout was the right call, it was the right call. But it’s not hindsight to say that re: team competitiveness, which is the only important factor, clearing the cap space was always only the first half of the equation 

[shrader]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Based on Carolina's record and playoff history over the past decade I would give a lot of credit to their decision-making. You are making a big mistake if you want to make a determinative judgment on a team's operation based on a single player transaction. Overall, their body of work associated with hockey decisions is stellar. How do I know? Their record and playoff participation. Overall, the body of work associated with Buffalo's hockey decision is to put it kindly is very inadequate. How do I know? Check out our record and playoff appearances over the past decade or so. 

So you're crediting them for the decision to move on from Skinner but you don't want to judge a team's operations based on a single player transaction?  You don't have to argue with every single post, particularly the ones that are rhetorical.

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, shrader said:

So you're crediting them for the decision to move on from Skinner but you don't want to judge a team's operations based on a single player transaction?  You don't have to argue with every single post, particularly the ones that are rhetorical.

Absolutely, getting rid of Skinner was the right decision for us. My judgment on the team's operation is based on its performance for the past 13 years. That's more than enough body of work to make a fair judgment. At least it is for me. 

[shrader]

3 hours ago, JohnC said:

Absolutely, getting rid of Skinner was the right decision for us. My judgment on the team's operation is based on its performance for the past 13 years. That's more than enough body of work to make a fair judgment. At least it is for me. 

Ok, we’re on a different page here, talking about different organizations.