K-9 Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, LTS said: Perhaps he should try a tariff to get compliance? I hate myself for even joking about these things, but I have to cope. People could always self-isolate. Unless we think RFKJr. will force people to group hug. I mean I hope we don't have another deadly pandemic, period. I didn't rely on the government during COVID to do what was right for me, I won't need them in the future either. It’s nice that some of us can just self-isolate. However, that is virtually impossible in high density populations when it comes to as virulent a kind of pathogen as SARS Cov 2 was. This administration will seek to censor any information and handcuff the organizations charged with public health policies. 1
Hank Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 If anyone is interested CBS News uploaded a YouTube video of the Trump/Musk briefing, it's about a half hour long.
LGR4GM Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Pam Bondi sent a response that basically says "you would have done as you were told, now we're coming after you" The United States is no longer a functioning democracy.
LGR4GM Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 6 US attorneys have now resigned over this, rather than comply with a corrupt order.
LTS Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 16 hours ago, K-9 said: It’s nice that some of us can just self-isolate. However, that is virtually impossible in high density populations when it comes to as virulent a kind of pathogen as SARS Cov 2 was. This administration will seek to censor any information and handcuff the organizations charged with public health policies. This makes no sense. Either someone can isolate or they can not. Your implication is that people cannot choose to do it by themselves. What does a government mandate do to change one's ability to isolate oneself from the public? If it was virtually impossible then it would not have happened during COVID, and yet it did clearly proving that people can isolate themselves and as such can choose to do it without a government mandate.
K-9 Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 1 hour ago, LTS said: This makes no sense. Either someone can isolate or they can not. Your implication is that people cannot choose to do it by themselves. What does a government mandate do to change one's ability to isolate oneself from the public? If it was virtually impossible then it would not have happened during COVID, and yet it did clearly proving that people can isolate themselves and as such can choose to do it without a government mandate. I implied no such thing. It is simply a fact that in high density populations, isolation is extremely difficult when it comes to super virulent pathogens. That fact has nothing to do with mandates at any level of government.
LGR4GM Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 this is what trump will bring more and more of. All the sexist and racist pos will be doing this type of thing.
Hank Posted February 14 Author Report Posted February 14 Apparently Newsom caved in deporting immigrants https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/13/newsom-sanctuary-law-trump-00204012
K-9 Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 24 minutes ago, Hank said: Apparently Newsom caved in deporting immigrants https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/13/newsom-sanctuary-law-trump-00204012 Caved? Please show me where Newsom ever disagreed with deporting criminals. He’s disagreed with the dem legislature on this issue in the past. Caved? Hardly. More like stuck to his guns on the issue.
LGR4GM Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 37 minutes ago, Hank said: Apparently Newsom caved in deporting immigrants https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/13/newsom-sanctuary-law-trump-00204012 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Caved? Please show me where Newsom ever disagreed with deporting criminals. He’s disagreed with the dem legislature on this issue in the past. Caved? Hardly. More like stuck to his guns on the issue. Deporting criminals has always made sense and the dems dying on that hill has not. Newsom is right.
K-9 Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Deporting criminals has always made sense and the dems dying on that hill has not. Newsom is right. Nobody has ever accused dems, especially California dems, of not being totally clueless at times. That said, there is legitimate concern about non criminals getting swept up as well. Illegally entering our country can be either a felony or misdemeanor, depending on whether it’s a first offense or not. And we’ve already seen ICE raids that have mistakenly targeted US citizens already. I mean some Karen alerted officials because a lady, a US citizen, was speaking Spanish for crissakes.
LGR4GM Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 JD Vance further distance the US from its European allies after what can only be described as some sort of attempt at a Trump style campaign stop where he lied, sounded like an *****, and otherwise was a bombastic buffoon. During this speech he never once criticized Russia or China and even suggested that the biggest threat to Europe was themselves for not doing what the US has done, which is moving to the far right. The speech in Munich has been met with utter condemnation from basically all of our European allies. Germany for example said: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/vance-ukraine-russia-deal-trump-military-tools-rcna192182
LGR4GM Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 (edited) Gets worse. JD Vance also supports the German far right AfD party, the same one Elon Musk backs. The Germans, rightly so, are united against the AfD because they don't like fascists. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-says-vance-should-not-interfere-german-politics-2025-02-14/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceve3wl21x1o Edited February 14 by LGR4GM
Weave Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 I think I have finally seen a working rationale for term limits. Mitch McConnell is not running for re-election. He is the only GOP senator to appose the appointments of Gabbard, Kennedy, Hegseth. Apparently, being free of re-election worry has allowed him to vote with a conscious thought towards the safety of the country. Much too little, much too late, but a demonstration of the influence that continually running a campaign has on legislative action nonetheless. i’m in. 2 terms for executive and legislative branches. 10 years for judicial. 1
K-9 Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 Our only hope is that our military men and women, of all ranks, insist on keeping their first oath to the Constitution and have the courage and fortitude to counterman illegal orders as is their responsibility. Because it couldn’t be more obvious that we are headed for trouble with the current leadership in this country and we will need them to intervene on our behalf sooner or later.
LGR4GM Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: Our only hope is that our military men and women, of all ranks, insist on keeping their first oath to the Constitution and have the courage and fortitude to counterman illegal orders as is their responsibility. Because it couldn’t be more obvious that we are headed for trouble with the current leadership in this country and we will need them to intervene on our behalf sooner or later. The idea of invading Canada doesn't seem far fetched, sadly. I think Trumps constant talk of 51st state is a prelude. Edited February 14 by LGR4GM
K-9 Posted February 14 Report Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: The idea of invading Canada doesn't seem far fetched, sadly. I think Trumps constant talk of 51st state is a prelude. One would think Congress would have enough members with integrity not to let him do that, but then again, the GOP in Congress don’t know the meaning of the word anymore.
LGR4GM Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 House GOP committee just advanced a budget bill that would cut 880 billion from medicare and medicade while using just about all of that for a tax cut that benefits the top 1%
JujuFish Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 9 hours ago, LGR4GM said: The idea of invading Canada doesn't seem far fetched, sadly. I think Trumps constant talk of 51st state is a prelude. I'm guessing someone told Trump that the US will run out of oil in 15 years at the rate we're drilling. 10 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Gets worse. JD Vance also supports the German far right AfD party, the same one Elon Musk backs. The Germans, rightly so, are united against the AfD because they don't like fascists. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/berlin-says-vance-should-not-interfere-german-politics-2025-02-14/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceve3wl21x1o On a totally unrelated note, I've been playing the new Indiana Jones game, and it's kinda nice beating the snot out of a bunch of Nazis.
LTS Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 On 2/14/2025 at 9:35 AM, K-9 said: I implied no such thing. It is simply a fact that in high density populations, isolation is extremely difficult when it comes to super virulent pathogens. That fact has nothing to do with mandates at any level of government. So did isolation happen during COVID or did it not? 17 hours ago, Weave said: I think I have finally seen a working rationale for term limits. Mitch McConnell is not running for re-election. He is the only GOP senator to appose the appointments of Gabbard, Kennedy, Hegseth. Apparently, being free of re-election worry has allowed him to vote with a conscious thought towards the safety of the country. Much too little, much too late, but a demonstration of the influence that continually running a campaign has on legislative action nonetheless. i’m in. 2 terms for executive and legislative branches. 10 years for judicial. I'm not convinced term limits actually solve the problem. The Presidency has term limits and we see at the end of each term limited President actions that blow our minds with regards to last minute mandates, commuting of criminal sentences, etc. A term limit would also limit the ability of a good politician continuing to lead (if such a thing exists). The real problem is that politics should not be a career but a service and that the United States population should pay far more attention to what their politicians are doing. I'm glad we have this conversation here but imagine if people, in general, debated politics as thoroughly as they debated sports. We should know local and regional politics as well as Canadians know junior hockey. We are a byproduct of our own willful ignorance. 16 hours ago, LGR4GM said: The idea of invading Canada doesn't seem far fetched, sadly. I think Trumps constant talk of 51st state is a prelude. Agreed. I don't even want to try and wrap my ahead around the idea it seems so ridiculous but underneath it all I have to accept that I might have to try and do so.
K-9 Posted February 15 Report Posted February 15 1 hour ago, LTS said: So did isolation happen during COVID or did it not? I'm not convinced term limits actually solve the problem. The Presidency has term limits and we see at the end of each term limited President actions that blow our minds with regards to last minute mandates, commuting of criminal sentences, etc. A term limit would also limit the ability of a good politician continuing to lead (if such a thing exists). The real problem is that politics should not be a career but a service and that the United States population should pay far more attention to what their politicians are doing. I'm glad we have this conversation here but imagine if people, in general, debated politics as thoroughly as they debated sports. We should know local and regional politics as well as Canadians know junior hockey. We are a byproduct of our own willful ignorance. Agreed. I don't even want to try and wrap my ahead around the idea it seems so ridiculous but underneath it all I have to accept that I might have to try and do so. Of course people isolated. I never said they didn’t. For some reason, you keep insisting on making this about covid, while I am simply making the point that under this new regime, vital public health information will be limited, if made available in the first place. We saw a huge indication of that yesterday with the dismissal of key personnel at the CDC.
LTS Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 On 2/13/2025 at 3:48 PM, K-9 said: It’s nice that some of us can just self-isolate. However, that is virtually impossible in high density populations when it comes to as virulent a kind of pathogen as SARS Cov 2 was. This administration will seek to censor any information and handcuff the organizations charged with public health policies. 14 hours ago, K-9 said: Of course people isolated. I never said they didn’t. For some reason, you keep insisting on making this about covid, while I am simply making the point that under this new regime, vital public health information will be limited, if made available in the first place. We saw a huge indication of that yesterday with the dismissal of key personnel at the CDC. I guess I'm confused. You seemed to be indicating that it was virtually impossible to self-isolate. Then you agreed that people isolated with a government mandate. So, all I am saying is that it is quite possible, mandate or not. I didn't bring up isolation, you did. When I questioned it you said that it was virtually impossible and then you acknowledge that it happened. It's not virtually impossible. You are the one who framed up COVID... not me. What the government says or does not say should not somehow be a hall pass for the general populace to take off their thinking caps and act stupid. I didn't give a ***** what the CDC said during COVID. I did what I thought was best for me and my family based on information I could put together from all sources. You just keep on preaching the track that the government is the best source of information. That's scary. The government has proven time and again that they have an agenda and are willing to ignore reality to promote it. Once again, you think that the government has the well being of the citizens in mind. It's like believing Human Resources is there to protect the employee from the company.
K-9 Posted February 16 Report Posted February 16 4 hours ago, LTS said: I guess I'm confused. You seemed to be indicating that it was virtually impossible to self-isolate. Then you agreed that people isolated with a government mandate. So, all I am saying is that it is quite possible, mandate or not. I didn't bring up isolation, you did. When I questioned it you said that it was virtually impossible and then you acknowledge that it happened. It's not virtually impossible. You are the one who framed up COVID... not me. What the government says or does not say should not somehow be a hall pass for the general populace to take off their thinking caps and act stupid. I didn't give a ***** what the CDC said during COVID. I did what I thought was best for me and my family based on information I could put together from all sources. You just keep on preaching the track that the government is the best source of information. That's scary. The government has proven time and again that they have an agenda and are willing to ignore reality to promote it. Once again, you think that the government has the well being of the citizens in mind. It's like believing Human Resources is there to protect the employee from the company. Virtually impossible IN HIGH DENSITY POPULATIONS when it comes to extremely virulent pathogens. You conveniently leave that out when quoting my words. And yes, you are confused. You keep reading into things that aren’t there. People don’t need government mandates to isolate and I never said they did. For crissakes, we do that all the time when it comes to things as uncomplicated as the common cold. Public health agencies, at all levels; local, state, and federal play an important role in the dissemination of information and they ARE the best source of information on pandemics because that’s where the data is compiled and evaluated by the medical experts in the field. I happen to respect that, you don’t. Let’s move on. The CDC and NIH were the two preeminent organizations of their kind in the world and every, EVERY other organization of their kind around the world depended on their expertise at one time or another. Indeed, every major facility around the world sent their best to learn here. But for some reason this regime is intent on ruining these great institutions and setting us back for who knows how long. For the first time since the creation of the NIH and CDC, we will be dependent on other countries for such vital scientific and medical expertise. And nobody should be comfortable with that.
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