Canadian Jr (OHL, WHL, QMJHL) players will be allowed in NCAA

[LGR4GM]

 

 

[LGR4GM]

They are going to have to fix the transfer agreement with the AHL impo. If I'm drafted high, I can jump to ncaa then ahl now. As opposed 2 long Jr years. 

[#freejame]

This should be good for player development, college hockey, and USA Hockey in general. I’m wondering if there’s a shot this adds a few more D-1 programs in the coming years. Much more money to be coming in from Canada now. 

[shrader]

31 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They are going to have to fix the transfer agreement with the AHL impo. If I'm drafted high, I can jump to ncaa then ahl now. As opposed 2 long Jr years. 

 CHL players have contracts. They probably can’t just leave like that, particularly those 17-19 year olds you are getting at. If they are able to do that, I’d imagine that the rights still revert back to the CHL team if the player then wants to leave immediately for the NHL. 
 

Also, I can’t imagine may schools would want to or even be able to take a guy for part of a season… and not the important part of the season (the end of it). 
 

This change is going to be a much bigger thing for the guys who have aged out of juniors. 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, shrader said:

 CHL players have contracts. They probably can’t just leave like that, particularly those 17-19 year olds you are getting at. If they are able to do that, I’d imagine that the rights still revert back to the CHL team if the player then wants to leave immediately for the NHL. 
 

Also, I can’t imagine may schools would want to or even be able to take a guy for part of a season… and not the important part of the season (the end of it). 
 

This change is going to be a much bigger thing for the guys who have aged out of juniors. 

If you're 18 and drafted high, lots of ncaa teams would be good taking you for 1 year and letting you go. 

[shrader]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

If you're 18 and drafted high, lots of ncaa teams would be good taking you for 1 year and letting you go. 

If they're able to.  We'll have to see how those contracts are structured.

But if they are allowed to go, would the drafting team want them to jump ship like that?  Depending on what school you jump to, how will that one year of development compare to what they would have gotten in the CHL?  If they're fine with it, we're still dealing with a very small subset of players.  I don't think we will be seeing some reverse Van Ryn loophole that will have a bunch of players abusing a jump to the NCAA.

 

That jump in 21 year old freshmen though?  That's going to be a real thing.  This might be a big help in building up the two bottom feeder conferences.

Edited November 7 by shrader

[JoeSchmoe]

Not counting the superstars, it's common that NCAA hockey players don't start college until 2 years after graduating high school.

With the new supply of potential players... I'm betting you'll see them starting 3 or 4 years after high school now.

[LGR4GM]

 

 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmoe said:

With the new supply of potential players... I'm betting you'll see them starting 3 or 4 years after high school now.

Those guys you’re talking about are the ones who have aged out of the USHL and the other non-CHL junior programs. The ones who can now come over from the CHL? Same age cutoff. 

[French Collection]

I think the USHL may suffer, they were a good option for non CHL players. 
I also think more American kids will try the CHL for draft exposure.

USports (Canadian version of NCAA) will lose guys, they were getting tons of ex CHL players.

Overall, kids will have more options and a longer development path available to them.

[JoeSchmoe]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

Those guys you’re talking about are the ones who have aged out of the USHL and the other non-CHL junior programs. The ones who can now come over from the CHL? Same age cutoff. 

Yeah, you're right. I forgot OHL was 20 not 21. 

[French Collection]

3 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Yeah, you're right. I forgot OHL was 20 not 21. 

Also, CHL teams have a limit of 3 20 year olds.

[JoeSchmoe]

1 minute ago, French Collection said:

Also, CHL teams have a limit of 3 20 year olds.

My son is playing Jr C right now. They're allowed to play a year longer there. That's what had me crossed up.

[French Collection]

1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said:

My son is playing Jr C right now. They're allowed to play a year longer there. That's what had me crossed up.

My youngest is in a similar junior league, I think they can have 8 21 year olds.

[GASabresIUFAN]

It’s going to take years to figure out an equilibrium for the leagues under the new rules.  

 I think this is long overdue and was gong to happen once NIL ended the “amateur” notion in the NCAA.  

My hope is that kids play in the CHL and then jump to college once they’re 20. The CHL has great tradition and I hate to see it die.  

I also hope that more schools will create D1 hockey programs, especially down here.  

My son-in-law is the coach of U of Tenn’s D1 club team and I’d love to see everything he built there evolve into D1 NCAA.   

 

[French Collection]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

My hope is that kids play in the CHL and then jump to college once they’re 20. The CHL has great tradition and I hate to see it die.  

I think the CHL will draw more young (16-19) talent than ever. Some good Canadian kids were going to the USHL or playing tier 2 Junior A to remain eligible. American prospects might want added exposure and competition by playing in the CHL.Tier 2 Junior A in Canada will not attract any real prospects, guys like Makar won’t have to play in the AJHL.

I wonder if there was a possibility of having some USHL teams join the WHL. They already have a bunch of franchises in the Pacific Northwest.

[JoeSchmoe]

2 hours ago, French Collection said:

I think the CHL will draw more young (16-19) talent than ever. Some good Canadian kids were going to the USHL or playing tier 2 Junior A to remain eligible. American prospects might want added exposure and competition by playing in the CHL.Tier 2 Junior A in Canada will not attract any real prospects, guys like Makar won’t have to play in the AJHL.

I wonder if there was a possibility of having some USHL teams join the WHL. They already have a bunch of franchises in the Pacific Northwest.

My son's friend has an NCAA commitment. The OHL team that drafted him begged him to go there instead, but he couldn't say no as the school is one of the top programs both on the ice and academically. So he moved from Ontario to BC this winter to play in the BCHL while he waits to mature enough to play D1.

Had this rule came a year sooner, he'd have stayed in Ontario and played OHL.

As you said, Tier 2 Jr A is definitely going to lose out big with this. There is no reason for high end kids to play there anymore.

Edited November 8 by JoeSchmoe

[shrader]

I wonder if the CHL will want the kid who plans on going to college. Yeah, they’ll want the Makars of the world and then try to woo them to stay.  That’s basically what they’ve been doing already with trying to poach players before they go to college.  I’m not so sure they’ll have much interest in the borderline prospects though. 
 

As we’ve said already, the guys who will benefit the most are the ones who have aged out of juniors and up until now had nowhere to go. 

[JoeSchmoe]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

I wonder if the CHL will want the kid who plans on going to college. Yeah, they’ll want the Makars of the world and then try to woo them to stay.  That’s basically what they’ve been doing already with trying to poach players before they go to college.  I’m not so sure they’ll have much interest in the borderline prospects though. 
 

As we’ve said already, the guys who will benefit the most are the ones who have aged out of juniors and up until now had nowhere to go. 

They'll still want them. Unless they're superstars, NCAA freshmen are usually 20+ years old. 

 

 

[LGR4GM]

10 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

They'll still want them. Unless they're superstars, NCAA freshmen are usually 20+ years old. 

 

 

I'm so confused by this. That isn't accurate at all. Yea there are overagers who start then but most guys get recruited and start college like a normal person at 18.

[shrader]

11 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

They'll still want them. Unless they're superstars, NCAA freshmen are usually 20+ years old. 

 

 

Your definition of “usually” is a bit different than mine. 

[JoeSchmoe]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I'm so confused by this. That isn't accurate at all. Yea there are overagers who start then but most guys get recruited and start college like a normal person at 18.

Go to Elite Prospects and look at the college rosters. You'll see very few 2006's. On the other hand, you'll see a lot of guys who by virtue of their age, wouldn't have started until they were 20. 

FWIW, my son just went through it, and this was the talk amongst the parents.

Edit-

If you really want to see this in action, look up NCAA rosters where they don't get future NHL calibre players. Niagara and Canisius are good examples.

Here are the ages of the Niagara Freshman:

2004, 2003, 2004, 2004, 2004, 2003, 2003

D1 schools want men not boys unless the boy is capable of playing pro.

Edited November 9 by JoeSchmoe

[shrader]

Look beyond that conference. They go after those kind of guys because they can’t draw the high end talent that other schools do. 

[JoeSchmoe]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

Look beyond that conference. They go after those kind of guys because they can’t draw the high end talent that other schools do. 

As I said before, only the high end future pros play at 18. Those are the guys you're talking about. 80-90% of the other kids all have to bide their time in a Tier 2 junior league until they age out. Kids like my son's friend will now choose the CHL route instead. 

If you don't believe me... Pick a team... Any team and look for the 2006's. If they're rostered, you'll also (for the most part) find them on the NHL scouting list or already drafted.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/606/univ.-of-maine

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/773/st.-cloud-state-univ.

Edited November 9 by JoeSchmoe

[shrader]

49 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

As I said before, only the high end future pros play at 18. Those are the guys you're talking about. 80-90% of the other kids all have to bide their time in a Tier 2 junior league until they age out. Kids like my son's friend will now choose the CHL route instead. 

If you don't believe me... Pick a team... Any team and look for the 2006's. If they're rostered, you'll also (for the most part) find them on the NHL scouting list or already drafted.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/606/univ.-of-maine

https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/773/st.-cloud-state-univ.

I worked for a D1 program. We had one 21 year old freshman during my time. It depends on the school, but to say that it is that high of a percentage is crazy. And he’ll, some teams that used to target those guys (actually Maine is a very good example of that), they’ve changed (not Maine this time).