Adams needs to go!

[Bangarang]

21 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Yet another "Adams needs to go" post or thread, so I'm going to respond again with my same response.

No.

It will not make a difference.

Its Pegula.

Its likely we haven't seen what Adams can do/wants to do as GM because most things go through Pegula.

Pegula needs to take a step back. Take a step back from sitting with Adams at games, Sitting next to him and giving input during practices. From being in pre-draft meetings and on camera for everyone to see giving input into the process.  He has the RIGHT to do that, but he's bad at it.  If you fire Adams and Pegula doesn't change you get the exact same thing.

Adams may be bad at his job...or... he may be good, but it doesn't make sense to just fire him when the true problem is above him.  You can say 'you can't fire the owner', and yeah, thats true, but it doesn't mean firing the GM then will fix things. It won't.

I want things to change. i want the team to be better. I want a lot to be 'different' with this team but I'm mostly convinced its not Adams.

 

You think Pegula was responsible for handling the Eichel situation? Or trading Reinhart? And Mitts? It was Pegula who didn't address the goalie situation and insisted on relying on young and inexperienced players? It was Pegula that handed out long term deals to Samuelson, Cozens and Power? I think you're understating just how much Adams is responsible for and how terrible he is. 

[mjd1001]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:21 AM, Bangarang said:

 

You think Pegula was responsible for handling the Eichel situation? Or trading Reinhart? And Mitts? It was Pegula who didn't address the goalie situation and insisted on relying on young and inexperienced players? It was Pegula that handed out long term deals to Samuelson, Cozens and Power? I think you're understating just how much Adams is responsible for and how terrible he is. 

I think he had a hand in those things yes.  I don't think Cozens gets a 7 year deal at that number unless Pegula wants it (I think its possible he even pushed for it.)  Remember the outdoor Toronto game where Cozens got thrown out but stayed to watch the rest of the game? Who was the one who stood there and talked to him? Terry Pegula.  I can't find the exact quote, but right after that season ended (before his contract), Pegula spoke GLOWINGLY about Cozens.  Fire? no, but for sure some smoke there. Cozens is "his boy".

As far as the 'young inexperienced players', yeah, that was part Pegula also. Remember the whole thing about the "pegula family lifestyle"?  That wasn't too far away from the point where the Sabres stopped spending money on higher priced guys and really went down in cap.  You do that by 'going young'.    Reinhart I think wanted out, nothing was really going to keep him here.

As far as Eichel, Elliotte Freidman was on 590 out of Toronto when the whole thing was going down and he said/reported that he had sources that say that yes, Pegula had 'soured' on how Eichel handled the whole thing.  John Vogl also had a story that pegula specifically wanted Eichel in the western conference, so of course he had knowledge, and even input into that trade. Greg Wyshynski had a piece that he said Adams has the full support of how he is handling the Eichel situation...to me that translates to "Pegula wants him gone too but is hiding behind his GM in case of any backlash" 

How about this one...why was Botts really let go?  He wasn't willing to do Pegula's bidding for him with regard to running the team.  Here you go:

https://www.wivb.com/sports/in-three-weeks-pegulas-find-too-many-differences-in-opinion-with-jason-botterill-that-led-to-his-firing/

“At that time we had just found out that the regular season had ended and then in the next three weeks especially with the announcement of the draft being really pushed back to sometime this fall it gave us a little bit more time to start digging in and say what does the future look like? Let’s start looking and planning for the future and I think that’s what changed in those three weeks,” Kim Pegula said on a zoom call with reporters.

Three weeks ago Kim Pegula told the AP Jason Botterill would stay as #Sabres GM and now they've fired him and hired Kevyn Adams. So what changed? With the draft being pushed back it gave them more time to think and there were too many "differences in opinion." @news4buffalo pic.twitter.com/rFm0NlvltE

— Heather Prusak (@haprusak) June 16, 2020

So, not 'on the same page' as Botts, that statement comes directly from Kim Pegula. Difference in opinion between the "hockey guy" and "the Pegulas" The Pegulas wanted the ON ICE franchise to go in a different direction than the Hockey guy they hired...so, fire him and replace him with someone who will 'do their bidding' instead.

By doing that “digging in” and “looking at the future”, they found they weren’t as much on the same page with Botterill as they originally thought.

-Not enough, here is another one, where the hockey department apparently wasn't doing exactly the owners wanted, so it was replaced because the Pegulas felt like "they weren't being heard"....

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/five-alarm-fire-in-buffalo-sabres-axe-gm-jason-botterill-and-his-assistants-for-starters/article_74de5e12-9a3b-535b-b451-725f62c72c2a.html

Botterill’s dismissal represents a major reversal after a vote of confidence in May. “We felt like we weren’t being heard,” co-owner Terry Pegula said.

BUFFALO, N.Y.—Sabres owners Terry and Kim Pegula reversed course by firing general manager Jason Botterill on Tuesday as part of a drastic cost-cutting purge of front-office staff and scouts

There is SO much smoke (and in some cases  you can even see the fire) that Pegula is telling Adams (or any other GM) things he wants and then expecting them to happen.

Everything you hear (if you are listening), almost everything you read (if you take the time to look for it) Points to Pegula having his hand in hockey decisions, wanting that, and getting rid of people/firing people who push back on that.  He replaced Botts with Adams not because Adams was better as a GM, not because Adams could be worse (of course), but simply because Adams would DO what Pegula wanted, even with the on-ice product.  I just gave you a few examples above, if you look, there are a LOT more out there of this over the last decade+.

Adams isn't terrible. He's trying to keep his job as one of 32 NHL GMs, and in Buffalo with the Sabres under Pegula, you keep your job by letting the boss make decisions and carrying them out.  He got his opportunity by seeing firsthand what happened to the guy before him when that guy had a 'difference of opinion' with Pegs.

Edited November 5 by mjd1001

[JohnC]

On 11/3/2024 at 10:37 AM, LGR4GM said:

Adams philosophy of "everyone gets a say" is rapidly turning into a way to deflect and spread responsibility for this dumpster fire. He's the gm, but he's so vanilla and eeyore about things that he's incapable of making hard and good choices. 

Edit: not eeyore more like milquetoast personified. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=milquetoast&oq=milque&aqs=chrome.0.0i433i512j69i57j0i433i512j0i512l7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I really believe that KA's rebuild would have been a lot more successful if he added some flexibility and creativity to his mostly "draft and develop" plan. Too much patience and not enough urgency. He simply didn't have the wherewithal to sometimes think outside of his self-imposed small box. He's simply not big enough for task.  

[SwampD]

17 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

You think Pegula was responsible for handling the Eichel situation? Or trading Reinhart? And Mitts? It was Pegula who didn't address the goalie situation and insisted on relying on young and inexperienced players? It was Pegula that handed out long term deals to Samuelson, Cozens and Power? I think you're understating just how much Adams is responsible for and how terrible he is. 

Pegula absolutely had a hand in the Eichel situation. Jack said as much in an interview.

[Kristian]

On 11/3/2024 at 2:32 PM, Idemo Buffalo said:

We have a new coach and a new system. You want to fire people, let's see how the team looks at the end of the year.

Oh, just stop. Right now.

On 11/3/2024 at 5:50 PM, Idemo Buffalo said:

End of the year (December) not next year  (season). We already put together a 3 game win streak. No reason why they can't put together a few more or even a few 5 or 6 game win streaks.

Again - stop.

[Kristian]

On 11/3/2024 at 7:50 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

So we are supposed to wait until the season is out of reach before making changes?  

The sooner we make changes the better.  Adam’s can’t be trusted to fix the roster.  Therefore he must be the first to go to begin fixing this mess.  

As to Ruff not having GM experience, at least he been in the NHL and around good GMs for decades. Adams had zero experience in the NHL after he retired as a player.  Ruff and Karmanos could make a very effective duo.  They know what to do unlike Adams.

Don’t feed him, he’s just a troll at this point.

[Kristian]

19 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I think he had a hand in those things yes.  I don't think Cozens gets a 7 year deal at that number unless Pegula wants it (I think its possible he even pushed for it.)  Remember the outdoor Toronto game where Cozens got thrown out but stayed to watch the rest of the game? Who was the one who stood there and talked to him? Terry Pegula.  I can't find the exact quote, but right after that season ended (before his contract), Pegula spoke GLOWINGLY about Cozens.  Fire? no, but for sure some smoke there. Cozens is "his boy".

As far as the 'young inexperienced players', yeah, that was part Pegula also. Remember the whole thing about the "pegula family lifestyle"?  That wasn't too far away from the point where the Sabres stopped spending money on higher priced guys and really went down in cap.  You do that by 'going young'.    Reinhart I think wanted out, nothing was really going to keep him here.

As far as Eichel, Elliotte Freidman was on 590 out of Toronto when the whole thing was going down and he said/reported that he had sources that say that yes, Pegula had 'soured' on how Eichel handled the whole thing.  John Vogl also had a story that pegula specifically wanted Eichel in the western conference, so of course he had knowledge, and even input into that trade. Greg Wyshynski had a piece that he said Adams has the full support of how he is handling the Eichel situation...to me that translates to "Pegula wants him gone too but is hiding behind his GM in case of any backlash" 

How about this one...why was Botts really let go?  He wasn't willing to do Pegula's bidding for him with regard to running the team.  Here you go:

https://www.wivb.com/sports/in-three-weeks-pegulas-find-too-many-differences-in-opinion-with-jason-botterill-that-led-to-his-firing/

“At that time we had just found out that the regular season had ended and then in the next three weeks especially with the announcement of the draft being really pushed back to sometime this fall it gave us a little bit more time to start digging in and say what does the future look like? Let’s start looking and planning for the future and I think that’s what changed in those three weeks,” Kim Pegula said on a zoom call with reporters.

Three weeks ago Kim Pegula told the AP Jason Botterill would stay as #Sabres GM and now they've fired him and hired Kevyn Adams. So what changed? With the draft being pushed back it gave them more time to think and there were too many "differences in opinion." @news4buffalo pic.twitter.com/rFm0NlvltE

— Heather Prusak (@haprusak) June 16, 2020

So, not 'on the same page' as Botts, that statemeng comes directly from Kim Pegula. Difference in opinion between the "hockey guy" and "the Pegulas" The Pegulas wanted the ON ICE franchise to go in a different direction than the Hockey guy they hired...so, fire him and replace him with someone who will 'do their bidding' instead.

By doing that “digging in” and “looking at the future”, they found they weren’t as much on the same page with Botterill as they originally thought.

-Not enough, here is another one, where the hockey department apparently wasn't doing exactly the owners wanted, so it was replaced because the Pegulas felt like "they weren't being heard"....

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/five-alarm-fire-in-buffalo-sabres-axe-gm-jason-botterill-and-his-assistants-for-starters/article_74de5e12-9a3b-535b-b451-725f62c72c2a.html

Botterill’s dismissal represents a major reversal after a vote of confidence in May. “We felt like we weren’t being heard,” co-owner Terry Pegula said.

BUFFALO, N.Y.—Sabres owners Terry and Kim Pegula reversed course by firing general manager Jason Botterill on Tuesday as part of a drastic cost-cutting purge of front-office staff and scouts

There is SO much smoke (and in some cases  you can even see the fire) that Pegula is telling Adams (or any other GM) things he wants and then expecting them to happen.

Everything you hear (if you are listening), almost everything you read (if you take the time to look for it) Points to Pegula having his hand in hockey decisions, wanting that, and getting rid of people/firing people who push back on that.  He replaced Botts with Adams not because Adams was better as a GM, not because Adams could be worse (of course), but simply because Adams would DO what Pegula wanted, even with the on-ice product.  I just gave you a few examples above, if you look, there are a LOT more out there of this over the last decade+.

Adams isn't terrible. He's trying to keep his job as one of 32 NHL GMs, and in Buffalo with the Sabres under Pegula, you keep your job by letting the boss make decisions and carrying them out.  He got his opportunity by seeing firsthand what happened to the guy before him when that guy had a 'difference of opinion' with Pegs.

And that’s why he’s the longest tenured Sabres GM since Darcy - He’s a Pegula handpuppet. Nothing more.

[DarthEbriate]

4 hours ago, Kristian said:

And that’s why he’s the longest tenured Sabres GM since Darcy - He’s a Pegula handpuppet. Nothing more.

[Mango]

On 11/3/2024 at 8:32 AM, Idemo Buffalo said:

We have a new coach and a new system. You want to fire people, let's see how the team looks at the end of the year.

The issue isn't system. 

The issue is that this team under Adams barely looks like it is trying half the time. If we were a try hard, mediocre, 89 point team every single year we would still be averaging 99% attendance. 

We have been saying it for multiple seasons, now Ruff is saying it. Stop falling back on "we did some good things" and start trying hard for 3 full periods. 

I cannot believe we are sitting here in year 5 of Adams, and years 3+ of some of these guys, and saying "man, I wish they would just finally start trying hard". It is wildly embarrassing. 

Dylan Cozens getting punched in the face and then just turtling for an entire season and into the next, is the spirit animal for this roster. There isn't a better mascot. 

Edited November 5 by Mango

[PerreaultForever]

On 11/4/2024 at 8:21 AM, Bangarang said:

 

You think Pegula was responsible for handling the Eichel situation? Or trading Reinhart? And Mitts? It was Pegula who didn't address the goalie situation and insisted on relying on young and inexperienced players? It was Pegula that handed out long term deals to Samuelson, Cozens and Power? I think you're understating just how much Adams is responsible for and how terrible he is. 

I don't think it's Pegula deciding everything but I do think he hires yes men who try to please him rather than just doing their job thinking only about hockey and winning. 

The problem imo is Pegula sitting in all those meetings and having an influence on a constant basis. Like in any corporate environment. Think of it this way (hypothetical). Start of the year Pegula says "I like the look of this team. Fast young guys playing offensive hockey. Love where it's headed. Really like that Jack Quinn. I have high hopes for him. You did a great job drafting him. He will be a star here." Now you're in this meeting later and as a hockey guy you think Quinn is such garbage this year, do you say it with Pegula at the table? Do you dare bring up that the guy you know he liked is garbage? Do you say I might have drafted the wrong guy? No, no you don't. Just one hypothetical possibility but I think that's how a lot of it goes. 

Owners who don't know anything about the sport (but think they do) and meddle in day to day are always a problem. We were all warned when LaFontaine walked out the door. 

[PerreaultForever]

On 11/4/2024 at 10:49 AM, JohnC said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=milquetoast&oq=milque&aqs=chrome.0.0i433i512j69i57j0i433i512j0i512l7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I really believe that KA's rebuild would have been a lot more successful if he added some flexibility and creativity to his mostly "draft and develop" plan. Too much patience and not enough urgency. He simply didn't have the wherewithal to sometimes think outside of his self-imposed small box. He's simply not big enough for task.  

I will just say this here. You do not build a winning franchise by saying things like "this is a development year" . You do it by saying "we want to win now". Winning is all that matters for successful teams. 

[JohnC]

26 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

I will just say this here. You do not build a winning franchise by saying things like "this is a development year" . You do it by saying "we want to win now". Winning is all that matters for successful teams. 

We are in accord. A rare occurrence but obviously so. When he took over the hockey operation it was evident that there was going to be a building process. The time is over with. You get judged on your record just like everyone else in the business. No more excuses!

[Mango]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:44 AM, mjd1001 said:

I think he had a hand in those things yes.  I don't think Cozens gets a 7 year deal at that number unless Pegula wants it (I think its possible he even pushed for it.)  Remember the outdoor Toronto game where Cozens got thrown out but stayed to watch the rest of the game? Who was the one who stood there and talked to him? Terry Pegula.  I can't find the exact quote, but right after that season ended (before his contract), Pegula spoke GLOWINGLY about Cozens.  Fire? no, but for sure some smoke there. Cozens is "his boy".

As far as the 'young inexperienced players', yeah, that was part Pegula also. Remember the whole thing about the "pegula family lifestyle"?  That wasn't too far away from the point where the Sabres stopped spending money on higher priced guys and really went down in cap.  You do that by 'going young'.    Reinhart I think wanted out, nothing was really going to keep him here.

As far as Eichel, Elliotte Freidman was on 590 out of Toronto when the whole thing was going down and he said/reported that he had sources that say that yes, Pegula had 'soured' on how Eichel handled the whole thing.  John Vogl also had a story that pegula specifically wanted Eichel in the western conference, so of course he had knowledge, and even input into that trade. Greg Wyshynski had a piece that he said Adams has the full support of how he is handling the Eichel situation...to me that translates to "Pegula wants him gone too but is hiding behind his GM in case of any backlash" 

How about this one...why was Botts really let go?  He wasn't willing to do Pegula's bidding for him with regard to running the team.  Here you go:

https://www.wivb.com/sports/in-three-weeks-pegulas-find-too-many-differences-in-opinion-with-jason-botterill-that-led-to-his-firing/

“At that time we had just found out that the regular season had ended and then in the next three weeks especially with the announcement of the draft being really pushed back to sometime this fall it gave us a little bit more time to start digging in and say what does the future look like? Let’s start looking and planning for the future and I think that’s what changed in those three weeks,” Kim Pegula said on a zoom call with reporters.

Three weeks ago Kim Pegula told the AP Jason Botterill would stay as #Sabres GM and now they've fired him and hired Kevyn Adams. So what changed? With the draft being pushed back it gave them more time to think and there were too many "differences in opinion." @news4buffalo pic.twitter.com/rFm0NlvltE

— Heather Prusak (@haprusak) June 16, 2020

So, not 'on the same page' as Botts, that statement comes directly from Kim Pegula. Difference in opinion between the "hockey guy" and "the Pegulas" The Pegulas wanted the ON ICE franchise to go in a different direction than the Hockey guy they hired...so, fire him and replace him with someone who will 'do their bidding' instead.

By doing that “digging in” and “looking at the future”, they found they weren’t as much on the same page with Botterill as they originally thought.

-Not enough, here is another one, where the hockey department apparently wasn't doing exactly the owners wanted, so it was replaced because the Pegulas felt like "they weren't being heard"....

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/five-alarm-fire-in-buffalo-sabres-axe-gm-jason-botterill-and-his-assistants-for-starters/article_74de5e12-9a3b-535b-b451-725f62c72c2a.html

Botterill’s dismissal represents a major reversal after a vote of confidence in May. “We felt like we weren’t being heard,” co-owner Terry Pegula said.

BUFFALO, N.Y.—Sabres owners Terry and Kim Pegula reversed course by firing general manager Jason Botterill on Tuesday as part of a drastic cost-cutting purge of front-office staff and scouts

There is SO much smoke (and in some cases  you can even see the fire) that Pegula is telling Adams (or any other GM) things he wants and then expecting them to happen.

Everything you hear (if you are listening), almost everything you read (if you take the time to look for it) Points to Pegula having his hand in hockey decisions, wanting that, and getting rid of people/firing people who push back on that.  He replaced Botts with Adams not because Adams was better as a GM, not because Adams could be worse (of course), but simply because Adams would DO what Pegula wanted, even with the on-ice product.  I just gave you a few examples above, if you look, there are a LOT more out there of this over the last decade+.

Adams isn't terrible. He's trying to keep his job as one of 32 NHL GMs, and in Buffalo with the Sabres under Pegula, you keep your job by letting the boss make decisions and carrying them out.  He got his opportunity by seeing firsthand what happened to the guy before him when that guy had a 'difference of opinion' with Pegs.

Great overall post but I take a little issue with the final bolded. It just implies that Adams is good or would be good at his job if it weren't for Pegula. And I don't buy it.

I think Terry Pegula should be reminded every single day that he has absolutely destroyed this franchise, and his run with the Sabres deserves to be carved into thte mount Rushmore of historically bad sports ownership. I believe the stands should be full of (respectful) signs specifically directed at how bad Terry Pegula has been for hockey in this town. 

That said, Adams roster construction is incredibly flawed and he deserves a lot of criticism.

Edited November 6 by Mango

[Brawndo]

On 11/4/2024 at 11:21 AM, Bangarang said:

 

You think Pegula was responsible for handling the Eichel situation? Or trading Reinhart? And Mitts? It was Pegula who didn't address the goalie situation and insisted on relying on young and inexperienced players? It was Pegula that handed out long term deals to Samuelson, Cozens and Power? I think you're understating just how much Adams is responsible for and how terrible he is. 

There has been an underlying pattern with the Eichel, Reinhart and Mittelstadt Trade, in every instance the players/assets coming to the Sabres in return had a smaller cap hit. 

[Mango]

On 11/5/2024 at 3:45 PM, PerreaultForever said:

I don't think it's Pegula deciding everything but I do think he hires yes men who try to please him rather than just doing their job thinking only about hockey and winning. 

The problem imo is Pegula sitting in all those meetings and having an influence on a constant basis. Like in any corporate environment. Think of it this way (hypothetical). Start of the year Pegula says "I like the look of this team. Fast young guys playing offensive hockey. Love where it's headed. Really like that Jack Quinn. I have high hopes for him. You did a great job drafting him. He will be a star here." Now you're in this meeting later and as a hockey guy you think Quinn is such garbage this year, do you say it with Pegula at the table? Do you dare bring up that the guy you know he liked is garbage? Do you say I might have drafted the wrong guy? No, no you don't. Just one hypothetical possibility but I think that's how a lot of it goes. 

Owners who don't know anything about the sport (but think they do) and meddle in day to day are always a problem. We were all warned when LaFontaine walked out the door. 

I posted it elsewhere but it probably belongs here. 

I don’t think Pegulas issue is personnel meddling per se. I think the issue is his structure and management style. His stupid flat management structure means that he’s always having to take sides internally whether it’s a President, or GM, or HC. Then it becomes a battle internally to get Terry on your side, and the whole thing becomes some stupid HS popularity/Mean Girls/terrible work environment. 

I think the only reason the Bills have escaped this as of late is because McBeane came in together and any/all football  decisions are almost always a 2v1 against Pegula. 

The problem now is that everybody is on the same page but they for the most part suck at their jobs.

No mater what happens this season; I think the best hope for this franchise to dig itself out of the hole is for Lindy to take hold and either bring in his own GM or move into the FO and bring in his own HC. We need a respectable HC/GM combo to outvote Pegula. 

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

There has been an underlying pattern with the Eichel, Reinhart and Mittelstadt Trade, in every instance the players/assets coming to the Sabres in return had a smaller cap hit. 

Nah.  
Eichel & Reino being traded was because the team was in the midst of a sell off to rebuild (again).  That core failed. 
 

The stated goal for trading Mitts was to obtain a top four D. Simple as that.  

[bunomatic]

Starting to look like Lindy just might save Adams bacon.

[Brawndo]

58 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Nah.  
Eichel & Reino being traded was because the team was in the midst of a sell off to rebuild (again).  That core failed. 
 

The stated goal for trading Mitts was to obtain a top four D. Simple as that.  

The franchise has been amongst the league’s lowest in terms of money spend on salaries since Adams became GM, that comes directly from the top. 
 

There is a pattern of salary reduction in each of these trades

 

Eichel 10 million out, Tuch 4.75 million and Krebs 1.3 million in 

Reinhart 5.2 million on his expiring RFA Deal for a First and the rights to Levi

Mitts 2.5 million out/Byram 3.8 in-this season Mitts 5.7 and Byram at 3.8

They have saved money the following season with everyone of them 

[Porous Five Hole]

9 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The franchise has been amongst the league’s lowest in terms of money spend on salaries since Adams became GM, that comes directly from the top. 
 

There is a pattern of salary reduction in each of these trades

 

Eichel 10 million out, Tuch 4.75 million and Krebs 1.3 million in 

Reinhart 5.2 million on his expiring RFA Deal for a First and the rights to Levi

Mitts 2.5 million out/Byram 3.8 in-this season Mitts 5.7 and Byram at 3.8

They have saved money the following season with everyone of them 

You sure don’t miss an opportunity to try to💩 on the owner.  
 

Reino for a 1st Rd pick and a prospect. 
Jack for CNY boy, touted prospect Krebs, and picks. This is how you kickstart a rebuild. 

Both trades with an eye to the future. OF COURSE the Sam & Jack trades were going to reduce money on the cap. 

If you think trading Mitts for Byram was for money concerns, remind me when Byram signs his 7MM extension next offseason.  

[PromoTheRobot]

Adams needs to make a deal...any deal...  \s

 

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Adams needs to make a deal...any deal...  \s

 

I'd be fine moving Byram for a winger but we can't move Cozens unless we have a replacement and we don't. 

Although he might try to move Samuelsson it'll be hard as he isn't value for another team at that salary point. Maybe Philly if we take back a forward Torts doesn't like with a relatively comparable salary. 

[ska-T Palmtown]

On 11/5/2024 at 2:45 PM, PerreaultForever said:

I don't think it's Pegula deciding everything but I do think he hires yes men who try to please him rather than just doing their job thinking only about hockey and winning. 

The problem imo is Pegula sitting in all those meetings and having an influence on a constant basis. Like in any corporate environment. Think of it this way (hypothetical). Start of the year Pegula says "I like the look of this team. Fast young guys playing offensive hockey. Love where it's headed. Really like that Jack Quinn. I have high hopes for him. You did a great job drafting him. He will be a star here." Now you're in this meeting later and as a hockey guy you think Quinn is such garbage this year, do you say it with Pegula at the table? Do you dare bring up that the guy you know he liked is garbage? Do you say I might have drafted the wrong guy? No, no you don't. Just one hypothetical possibility but I think that's how a lot of it goes. 

Owners who don't know anything about the sport (but think they do) and meddle in day to day are always a problem. We were all warned when LaFontaine walked out the door. 

It is 'psychological size' - and you nailed it. If he does sit in on meetings and offer up his opinions, some will soak those up without even realizing it. Sure, some will be too afraid to contradict the Big Boss, but others will hear him say things and make them their own opinions without even intending to do so. 

Some will actively take his love for X-player and use it to curry favor, other will take his opinion as gospel and never even think to question it. It can be a HUGE problem for organizations with opinionated leaders who carelessly speak opinions as facts to weak or more naive staff members.

[Brawndo]

7 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

You sure don’t miss an opportunity to try to💩 on the owner.  
 

Reino for a 1st Rd pick and a prospect. 
Jack for CNY boy, touted prospect Krebs, and picks. This is how you kickstart a rebuild. 

Both trades with an eye to the future. OF COURSE the Sam & Jack trades were going to reduce money on the cap. 

If you think trading Mitts for Byram was for money concerns, remind me when Byram signs his 7MM extension next offseason.  

Absolutely and I will continue to do so as long as it’s deserved. 

Want to know another way to help a rebuild? Using your cap space to acquire more assets by taking salary cap dumps, rather than allowing the space to go completely unused. When Calgary was looking to move Monahan’s Contract, Adams was offered him and a first round pick, guess who squashed the deal. Montreal gladly accepted and ended up with two first round picks for their trouble. The only cap dumps they have taken is to get to the cap floor. What does not change is the fact the team has consciously stayed in the bottom tier of spending despite overwhelming evidence that the teams who do so rarely make the playoffs.

 

Imagine being an owner of a franchise that has had to perform cap gymnastics over the past few seasons while Sabres have ample unused cap space which the owner won’t even allow to be used as a third team in a trade. The one of thing that Pegula will gladly accept is a yearly revenue sharing check from the league. No wonder Pegula is considered an outsider by other owners as was mentioned on WGR550 a few weeks ago.  His reputation in league circles is not very good to put it mildly. Empty seats on broadcasts is not going unnoticed. 
 

This owner has gone from I’ll drill another well to economic, efficient and effective. He has continued operate in the latter for all of Adams Tenure, even when the team finished one point out of the playoffs.  
 

Also I have it on pretty good authority the lower cap hit for this season was the cherry on top for the deal. 
 

Personally I would love for Byram to sign a 7 million dollar AAV contract extension, as that could be a sign Pegula is finally spending to the cap. 
 

Until that happens critiquing, criticizing or sh!ting on Pegula is fair game 
 

 

 

[SwampD]

13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Adams needs to make a deal...any deal...  \s

 

We have more than one Bowen Byram and Dylan Cozens? Can I make fun of that writer?

[Pimlach]

17 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

You sure don’t miss an opportunity to try to💩 on the owner.  
 

Reino for a 1st Rd pick and a prospect. 
Jack for CNY boy, touted prospect Krebs, and picks. This is how you kickstart a rebuild. 

Both trades with an eye to the future. OF COURSE the Sam & Jack trades were going to reduce money on the cap. 

If you think trading Mitts for Byram was for money concerns, remind me when Byram signs his 7MM extension next offseason.  

Will Byram take 7 if Power is at 8.3?  
 

Byram 7M, Power 8.3M, Dahlin 11M, Muel 4.3M.  That’s over $30.6M plus you have to pay for 5, 6, and 7 and have #8 on a two way contract.