This Team is Heading Nowhere Yet Again

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

I wish they would have showed up against the Isles, the fans are not going to come out for much longer.   Home games have not been an advantage for about 15 years or more.  

2019-2020 they were great at home compared to the road. 44 points at home (63% point percentage), while on the road 24 points (35%).  

But yeah I get your overall point. It should be close to that EVERY year, not just once in the last 6 years.

[Demoted]

I have a good feeling about the #1 pick.

[EM88]

6 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Cozens is a 3rd line winger right now with a second line ceiling.  Adam’s thoughts that he is 2C over Mitts was one of many blunders.  The Mitts for  Byram trade did not improve the team at all.  They needed, and still need, a defensive player that is big and strong in front of our net.  

I think one of the bigger failures of this front office is not finding someone like that in the first couple rounds of the draft over the past decade.

Jake McCabe, Will Borgen, and Nikita Zadarov are all guys who are in the top 20 in hits in the NHL over the past 2 years among defensemen. They are all big guys over 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs. None of them are elite but they all are good enough to at least be 3rd pair NHL guys, maybe 2nd pair.  Of course they all were Sabres property at some point.

[Cityo'Rasmii]

1 hour ago, EM88 said:

I think one of the bigger failures of this front office is not finding someone like that in the first couple rounds of the draft over the past decade.

Jake McCabe, Will Borgen, and Nikita Zadarov are all guys who are in the top 20 in hits in the NHL over the past 2 years among defensemen. They are all big guys over 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs. None of them are elite but they all are good enough to at least be 3rd pair NHL guys, maybe 2nd pair.  Of course they all were Sabres property at some point.

Yes, our purpose appears to be the League's farm team

[Idemo Buffalo]

Every negative poster on this thread wanted Tyler Bass cut prior to that kick. If you say you didn't...

 

Edited Sunday at 09:42 PM by Idemo Buffalo

[jad1]

2 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

Every negative poster on this thread wanted Tyler Bass cut prior to that kick. If you say you didn't...

 

Who cares what you believe.  You're not judge and jury of the quality of other posters' fandom. Get over yourself.

[Idemo Buffalo]

53 minutes ago, jad1 said:

Who cares what you believe.  You're not judge and jury of the quality of other posters' fandom. Get over yourself.

I struck a nerve. Clearly the overlap of Tyler Bass bashers and Sabres bashers is quite large. Tyler Bash silenced you. The Sabres will silence you as well. 

[jad1]

8 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

I struck a nerve. Clearly the overlap of Tyler Bass bashers and Sabres bashers is quite large. Tyler Bash silenced you. The Sabres will silence you as well. 

Why do I, or any other fan watching a sporting event need to be silenced? 

Seriously, get over yourself.  There's no Best Fan Ever sticker waiting for you as an imagined reward for your scolding of other fans.

[SABRES 0311]

1 hour ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

I struck a nerve. Clearly the overlap of Tyler Bass bashers and Sabres bashers is quite large. Tyler Bash silenced you. The Sabres will silence you as well. 

 

56 minutes ago, jad1 said:

Why do I, or any other fan watching a sporting event need to be silenced? 

Seriously, get over yourself.  There's no Best Fan Ever sticker waiting for you as an imagined reward for your scolding of other fans.

It’s all about the “good vibes.” 😂 

[SwampD]

2 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

I struck a nerve. Clearly the overlap of Tyler Bass bashers and Sabres bashers is quite large. Tyler Bash silenced you. The Sabres will silence you as well. 

I so want this to be true.

That still doesn’t make you any less annoying, though. You have been telling other people what they think and know since you joined. How bout just keepin your own side of the street clean. We’ll be fine.

Plus, none of it has any effect on the team anyway.

Edited yesterday at 03:34 AM by SwampD

[PerreaultForever]

12 hours ago, EM88 said:

I think one of the bigger failures of this front office is not finding someone like that in the first couple rounds of the draft over the past decade.

Jake McCabe, Will Borgen, and Nikita Zadarov are all guys who are in the top 20 in hits in the NHL over the past 2 years among defensemen. They are all big guys over 6 feet tall and over 200 lbs. None of them are elite but they all are good enough to at least be 3rd pair NHL guys, maybe 2nd pair.  Of course they all were Sabres property at some point.

But they're not speedy puck movers. 

I agree with you 100%. Sabres under Pegula have not valued physical players at all. Ever. 

Look how well Carrier has done. DesLauriers is a goon but could we not have used that on many an occasion over these years? Foligno, heart and soul and would be captain now if I was running the show. So big accomplishment we rebuilt the bottom line this year. All this time it could have been a veteran unit of fan favorites in Carrier-Foligno-DesLauriers wrecking havoc and putting fear into opposing teams all over. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we just need little speedy mice. 

[SABRES 0311]

49 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

But they're not speedy puck movers. 

I agree with you 100%. Sabres under Pegula have not valued physical players at all. Ever. 

Look how well Carrier has done. DesLauriers is a goon but could we not have used that on many an occasion over these years? Foligno, heart and soul and would be captain now if I was running the show. So big accomplishment we rebuilt the bottom line this year. All this time it could have been a veteran unit of fan favorites in Carrier-Foligno-DesLauriers wrecking havoc and putting fear into opposing teams all over. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we just need little speedy mice. 

That would’ve been an awesome fourth line. Even if we lost a game that team loses a player.

[Idemo Buffalo]

9 hours ago, SwampD said:

I so want this to be true.

That still doesn’t make you any less annoying, though. You have been telling other people what they think and know since you joined. How bout just keepin your own side of the street clean. We’ll be fine.

Plus, none of it has any effect on the team anyway.

Haven't told anyone what they think and know. Have been telling people they are too negative. Never seen a fan base so negative 12 games into a season. It is almost like this board exists to bash the Sabres. I get it, but they won 3 in a row and the same people just continued to bash them. Not sure these people are fans or just like to complain. The Bills could win two Super Bowls and you would complain but the Chiefs won three Super Bowls. They could win 5 Super Bowls and you would complain that the Pats won six Super Bowls. Negative Nancies. 

[SwampD]

23 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

Haven't told anyone what they think and know. Have been telling people they are too negative. Never seen a fan base so negative 12 games into a season. It is almost like this board exists to bash the Sabres. I get it, but they won 3 in a row and the same people just continued to bash them. Not sure these people are fans or just like to complain. The Bills could win two Super Bowls and you would complain but the Chiefs won three Super Bowls. They could win 5 Super Bowls and you would complain that the Pats won six Super Bowls. Negative Nancies. 

This is such a crock.

If you don’t like here, you don’t have to stay.

I know you’re eventually going to try to hawk something so I get why you are staying around, but how about just talking about the team instead of how we talk about them. We don’t care what you think about how we see our team. It’s getting old.

And I’m not one who has even written them off yet.

Edited yesterday at 12:56 PM by SwampD

[Idemo Buffalo]

45 minutes ago, SwampD said:

This is such a crock.

If you don’t like here, you don’t have to stay.

I know you’re eventually going to try to hawk something so I get why you are staying around, but how about just talking about the team instead of how we talk about them. We don’t care what you think about how we see our team. It’s getting old.

And I’m not one who has even written them off yet.

 

Not trying to hawk anything. We are considering starting a Croatian hockey/football fan group for the the Bills and Sabres, called Idemo Buffalo.  Similar to the Czech/Slovkia and Italian Buffalo fan clubs. Idemo means "Let's Go" in Croatian. Just like Jedeme means Let's Go in Czech and Forza means Let's Go in Italian. 

Fans Clubs usually don't spend all day bashing teams. The Sabres did a great job with Victor Maudr's Czech/Slovakia fan group if you haven't seen the Sabres Embedded on their fan club.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNoCb9qFEJE 

[SwampD]

6 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

You are way overdoing it and you are losing any credibility that you might have had.  Being positive is ok, but you are now pointing fingers and judging others.  

Winning 3 games in a row is small consolation for 13 years of incompetence and misery.   They just lost 3 in a row (and counting) and they are now in the bottom 6 in the league.   The Sabres have to earn their fan base back.  Like it or not, agree or not,  but that is where things are concerning this woeful team.  

Have you ever gone to another NHL city and watched a game?  Talked to their fans or their media.  You will quickly find out that the Sabres are an irrelevant joke.  Did you watch the TNT game versus Pittsburgh?   The Sabre were leading 3-1 after the first period and yet they still got zero respect from the broadcasters and national media because they all know what’s going on in Buffalo and it’s not good.  There is much more wrong with this team than right.  Sure enough, Pittsburgh won the game, as predicted by the entire TNT crew.  The negativity towards this franchise is wide spread, way beyond WNY, and has been earned by the way it’s run.  There is simply no standard for winning or excellence.  Just some mumbo jumbo rhetoric about running the program in an economic, efficient and effective manner.  Only there is no effective.  

Do you know any former players or alumni?   I do and they hate what this franchise has become.  Would you tell them they are negative because they don’t like what has happened to this team, and the low standards set at the very top by the ownership and the GM.  

How about the way Adams threw Granato under bus last year?  Declaring  that his team was arrogant and not ready from the beginning of the season,  but not doing anything to help address it.  Publicly blaming the coach, publicly talking about accountability, and publicly stating he would do an exhaustive search to bring in a coach with experience.  Even that was a sham that got more eye rolls around the league.  Hiring Ruff was more of a publicity stunt than a detailed coach search.  No disrespect to Lindy intended   

Accountability?  If it doesn’t start at the top it won’t happen    Who is Adams accountable too?  What standards has Ownership set?   

The team is not watchable for casual hockey fans.  The fans at SabreSpace are the die hards that watch every game.  They have every right to complain about the quality of the product.  No one needs your cheerleading, it’s misguided.  

Can you answer this one question?  Why does this team have the poorest on ice performance record ever complied by an NHL team over any 13 year period in league history?    Answer why, and be honest.   

Cuz the fans are negative. 😂

[Night Train]

[Pimlach]

31 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Cuz the fans are negative. 😂

I deleted my post in its entirety.  Your response is all that is left of it. 

I don't want to engage with some of the people here anymore. I get that certain people are positive, negative, cheerful or grumpy, that is just personalities. 

There are a few here that do not contribute anything but eyerolls and pukes, they never add any hockey content, they never bring any facts or information, they just try to police the site by defending this morbid franchise and it leaders, and they do it by insulting other posters.    

I am getting very close to dropping out of here.    Many of the good posters are already gone.  I can still read the posts from the few knowledgeable posters that are left.  

Edited 23 hours ago by Pimlach

[LETSTUCHINGO]

24 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I deleted my post in its entirety.  Your response is all that is left of it. 

I don't want to engage with some of the people here anymore. I get that certain people are positive, negative, cheerful or grumpy, that is just personalities. 

There are a few here that do not contribute anything but eyerolls and pukes, they never add any hockey content, they never bring any facts or information, they just try to police the site by defending this morbid franchise and it leaders, and they do it by insulting other posters.    

I am getting very close to dropping out of here.    Many of the good posters are already gone.  I can still read the posts from the few knowledgeable posters that are left.  

I was able to read the post you (Pimlach) deleted from Swamp's sarcastic response and honestly it is spot on. I don't think anyone with knowledge of the last 13 years can argue it. It is depressing to say the least. I have only had the ability to be a STH for the last 4 years and truthfully it is getting hard to continue to make the investment. I cannot begin to imagine the frustration for STHs that have endured throughout the drought.

I have tried to be positive. I continue to try and be positive. With that said, I can acknowledge that it can be hard with the negativity that is often found on this thread. The problem is that the Sabre's organization isn't doing anything to deter it. It is warranted! How many season's does it take to right the ship??

For those who are able to stay positive, keep fighting the good fight and have patience for those who can't anymore! I will continue to hope for something positive to take shape on the ice soon in the hopes of breaking the drought this year. If not, my money will be going to places where it is better served and I will go back to watching from my coach where it costs a ton less and I can turn the channel!

[EM88]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

But they're not speedy puck movers. 

I agree with you 100%. Sabres under Pegula have not valued physical players at all. Ever. 

Look how well Carrier has done. DesLauriers is a goon but could we not have used that on many an occasion over these years? Foligno, heart and soul and would be captain now if I was running the show. So big accomplishment we rebuilt the bottom line this year. All this time it could have been a veteran unit of fan favorites in Carrier-Foligno-DesLauriers wrecking havoc and putting fear into opposing teams all over. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we just need little speedy mice. 

Foligno getting traded was one of the saddest departures for me over the Pegula Era.

[thewookie1]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

But they're not speedy puck movers. 

I agree with you 100%. Sabres under Pegula have not valued physical players at all. Ever. 

Look how well Carrier has done. DesLauriers is a goon but could we not have used that on many an occasion over these years? Foligno, heart and soul and would be captain now if I was running the show. So big accomplishment we rebuilt the bottom line this year. All this time it could have been a veteran unit of fan favorites in Carrier-Foligno-DesLauriers wrecking havoc and putting fear into opposing teams all over. But nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we just need little speedy mice. 

 

Carrier was our offer to Vegas to protect Ullmark

Deslauries wasn't good or useful

I do miss Foligno however

 

[Pimlach]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

Carrier was our offer to Vegas to protect Ullmark

Deslauries wasn't good or useful

I do miss Foligno however

 

One GM protects Ullmark, and the next GM fails to sign him.   Inconsistency within the upper echelons of the organization has caused the phenomena we see with all these former Sabres players doing well for other teams.   

Deslauries may not be very good but he was useful in a limited role. 

Foligno - Mike Foligno was an excellent player and a great Sabre.   Marcus is a good 4th line player but he is massively overrated here on Sabrespace by a fan base that craves big players that can and will fight.   I like him ok, but replacing him and improving the 4th line is only a hard thing to do in Buffalo.  

Edited 17 hours ago by Pimlach

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

Carrier was our offer to Vegas to protect Ullmark

Deslauries wasn't good or useful

I do miss Foligno however

 

I know he was and you can argue DesLauriers "value" but that's exactly my point. The team DID NOT VALUE these role players and their roles. They are all exceptionally good at exactly what they do but this team didn't think we needed those roles. They are easily replaced , except they clearly are not. 

Who we chose to offer to keep Ullmark was a choice too. 

[Porous Five Hole]

7 hours ago, SwampD said:

Cuz the fans are negative. 😂

 

6 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I deleted my post in its entirety.  Your response is all that is left of it. 

I don't want to engage with some of the people here anymore. I get that certain people are positive, negative, cheerful or grumpy, that is just personalities. 

There are a few here that do not contribute anything but eyerolls and pukes, they never add any hockey content, they never bring any facts or information, they just try to police the site by defending this morbid franchise and it leaders, and they do it by insulting other posters.    

I am getting very close to dropping out of here.    Many of the good posters are already gone.  I can still read the posts from the few knowledgeable posters that are left.  

I’m really struggling with how I want the words of this post to come out.  It is mostly from the aspect that anger and sadness has turned into a daily social norm here; and this is social media.  

The results stink and the games stink, so this can be a stinky place to be. Not because of you or I, but because what we share together really stinks.

And here I am, my friend. Taking solace in the fact that I am not the only one who gives a crap about this franchise.

Punch, you mention a lot of good hockey talk has moved on and you’re right. And what has replaced that is people airing their frustrations ad nauseam. Please understand, I’m not accusing any individual of that.  But it is hard to read….Even if it’s true. 

I’m not asking for positivity and I’m not here to defend this team. I just want to watch them win and enjoy the ride with passionate Sabres fans.  But no one is happy here. And it isn’t our fault.  

Edited 16 hours ago by Porous Five Hole

[ska-T Chitown]

44 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

 

I’m really struggling with how I want the words of this post to come out.  It is mostly from the aspect that anger and sadness has turned into a daily social norm here; and this is social media.  

The results stink and the games stink, so this can be a stinky place to be. Not because of you or I, but because what we share together really stinks.

And here I am, my friend. Taking solace in the fact that I am not the only one who gives a crap about this franchise.

Punch, you mention a lot of good hockey talk has moved on and you’re right. And what has replaced that is people airing their frustrations ad nauseam. Please understand, I’m not accusing any individual of that.  But it is hard to read….Even if it’s true. 

I’m not asking for positivity and I’m not here to defend this team. I just want to watch them win and enjoy the ride with passionate Sabres fans.  But no one is happy here. And it isn’t our fault.  

See, this is the reason why I can still come here. While we are all our own unique snowflakes, many of our feelings of intense disappointment will overlap in some way with someone else's. We are social creatures and we need that. I take some breaks from reading the "burn it all down" threads, but with the way things are going sometimes is is cathartic.

I suspect most people, similar to myself, are frustrated because we want to be able to say that following Sabres hockey brings us joy and on most nights in memory, it doesn't. The mood was much more electric even when they had that slight chance two years ago. I get more "Can't you just give me something to cheer for?" energy than I do "fire all those bums" energy most of the time.

The recent influx of "you can't feel that way" energy is sorta new and disturbing. Everyone has the right to feel how they feel - like it or not. My feelings of rage, sadness, apathy, and momentary joy are just as valid as anyone else's - so for community members to try to take any of that away from each other, to me - crosses a line. And to @Pimlach's point - it drives away the folks who just want to have a good hockey conversation without personal attacks on their "fan-rating" or "commitment to the team" or whatever else we are using to insult each other these days. Take that crap to Reddit or Twitter.

I get a little frustrated with the negativity - but that is my problem, not the people who are being what I deem negative. It can suck when you want to find someone to have a "rally the troops, things gotta get better" conversation and no one is really buying ... but that is not the fault of the other posters.

*Disclaimer - NONE of this is meant to be directed at @Porous Five Hole - it was actually a good post and I just wanted to vibe off of it, especially the bold. ❤️