GDT: Sabres @ Red Wings 11/2/24 7:00 PM EDT; MSG/FDSNDET, ESPN+

[KC Scouts]

3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

His follow through was over the line meaning its typically considered fine.

 

How is it that last year all we wanted were for them to crash the net and to help get goals; now they do actually crash the net and it still doesn't go in.

 

Jack Quinn's utter implosion over the offseason needs a 30 for 30; I can't say I have ever seen a player go from competent or better winger with flare and talent along with defensive mindedness to be borderline braindead and quite literally handling the puck like a grenade. Do we need to demand Granato call up Quinn and pump his tires or something?

 

We seem to perpetually have issues no matter what moves we make; players who are consistently solid will inexplicably fall apart as soon as we fix a different issue. Worst of all I know for a fact if we trade Quinn he'll be a perennial 30 goal scorer because Buffalo. That's all there is to explain some of the issues. Goaltending was mostly fine last year, this year its suspect. 2 years ago we scored at will and now we have to pray to get them some nights. Players seem to perpetually falter here whether it be endlessly loops of learning and unlearning or flat out stagnation and/or collapse. We rarely catch a break with a player or a bounce; the refs actively some nights seem hellbent on screwing us I'm just at a loss for words. How can a team with as many changes as we have had since 2013 be still more or less the same exact team? And you can't blame Pegula for the players' issues. 

it really is unbelievable how we keep coming back to the same place .....its obscene

[Idemo Buffalo]

6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Sarcasm, right? Tuch who scored the only goal today and is on a 27 goal pace, and Thompson who just had a pretty long point streak and is still on a 47 goal pace?  

Right, as I was saying they are producing enough to get them to the playoffs, but might not be the type of guys that produce enough to ever take this team to a Cup win. They might just be 2nd liners for a Stanley Cup caliber team.

[Pimlach]

4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

His follow through was over the line meaning its typically considered fine.

 

How is it that last year all we wanted were for them to crash the net and to help get goals; now they do actually crash the net and it still doesn't go in.

 

Jack Quinn's utter implosion over the offseason needs a 30 for 30; I can't say I have ever seen a player go from competent or better winger with flare and talent along with defensive mindedness to being borderline braindead and quite literally handling the puck like a grenade. Do we need to demand Granato call up Quinn and pump his tires or something?

 

We seem to perpetually have issues no matter what moves we make; players who are consistently solid will inexplicably fall apart as soon as we fix a different issue. Worst of all I know for a fact if we trade Quinn he'll be a perennial 30 goal scorer because Buffalo. That's all there is to explain some of the issues. Goaltending was mostly fine last year, this year its suspect. 2 years ago we scored at will and now we have to pray to get them some nights. Players seem to perpetually falter here whether it be endlessly loops of learning and unlearning or flat out stagnation and/or collapse. We rarely catch a break with a player or a bounce; the refs actively some nights seem hellbent on screwing us I'm just at a loss for words. How can a team with as many changes as we have had since 2013 be still more or less the same exact team? And you can't blame Pegula for the players' issues. 

You are a loyal fan. I feel for you.  I’m in the same boat.  I want that Cup. 

[mjd1001]

4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

And you can't blame Pegula for the players' issues. 

I think you can. He is the constant.

Everything flows from him down. Who wants to take the job at gm and coach?  What standard is set from above?  most importantly how many of the guys who are here (or NOT here) are just as much a decision that had to be run by Pegula, or vetoed by him, that if he had taken a step back things would be different.

Too many GM's, Too many coaches, too many players that have done well in other places but not as well here, it is something beyond the players....and every other part has been changed out except the top.

On a game to game basis, of course its the players and the coaches...but when we start talking months, seasons, decades....the standard is set from the top. The rules are made from the top and the mess below is a result of what comes down from the top.

[ExWNYer]

Just now, Pimlach said:

You are a loyal fan. I feel for you.  I’m in the same boat.  I want that Cup. 

I'd say that goes for anyone posting on a Sabres board after the last 13+ seasons.

[Slack_in_MA]

6 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

His follow through was over the line meaning its typically considered fine.

 

How is it that last year all we wanted were for them to crash the net and to help get goals; now they do actually crash the net and it still doesn't go in.

 

Jack Quinn's utter implosion over the offseason needs a 30 for 30; I can't say I have ever seen a player go from competent or better winger with flare and talent along with defensive mindedness to be borderline braindead and quite literally handling the puck like a grenade. Do we need to demand Granato call up Quinn and pump his tires or something?

 

We seem to perpetually have issues no matter what moves we make; players who are consistently solid will inexplicably fall apart as soon as we fix a different issue. Worst of all I know for a fact if we trade Quinn he'll be a perennial 30 goal scorer because Buffalo. That's all there is to explain some of the issues. Goaltending was mostly fine last year, this year its suspect. 2 years ago we scored at will and now we have to pray to get them some nights. Players seem to perpetually falter here whether it be endlessly loops of learning and unlearning or flat out stagnation and/or collapse. We rarely catch a break with a player or a bounce; the refs actively some nights seem hellbent on screwing us I'm just at a loss for words. How can a team with as many changes as we have had since 2013 be still more or less the same exact team? And you can't blame Pegula for the players' issues. 

It’s like the scene in European Vacation when Clark Griswold can’t get out of the rotary and keeps driving around it—

“Look kids! Big Ben! Parliament!”

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

Right, as I was saying they are producing enough to get them to the playoffs, but might not be the type of guys that produce enough to ever take this team to a Cup win. They might just be 2nd liners for a Stanley Cup caliber team.

Or, the team is like a car that once you fix one part, something else fails.

I think a top like of Tuch with his all around play and on pace for 28, and Tage scoring at more than a 40 goal pace is good enough.  Even McDavid and Matthews don't score EVERY game. I don't blame the top line...they are doing their part as a top line. Its the goaltending that has a save percentage for the season starting with a .8 instead of a .9, and your 'second best' forward (Cozens) leading your team in shots but shooting about 2.5%.....THOSE are the things that stanley cup teams don't have.

[KC Scouts]

1 minute ago, mjd1001 said:

I think you can. He is the constant.

Everything flows from him down. Who wants to take the job at gm and coach?  What standard is set from above?  most importantly how many of the guys who are here (or NOT here) are just as much a decision that had to be run by Pegula, or vetoed by him, that if he had taken a step back things would be different.

Too many GM's, Too many coaches, too many players that have done well in other places but not as well here, it is something beyond the players....and every other part has been changed out except the top.

On a game to game basis, of course its the players and the coaches...but when we start talking months, seasons, decades....the standard is set from the top. The rules are made from the top and the mess below is a result of what comes down from the top.

Agree. This organization is a failure because of Terry Pegula. There is no other explanation except the supernatural.

[mjd1001]

Just took a look at the updated standings....tied for last in the entire conference. Tied for 28th - 30th in the league.  Woo Hoo!!

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, Slack_in_MA said:

It’s like the scene in European Vacation when Clark Griswold can’t get out of the rotary and keeps driving around it—

“Look kids! Big Ben! Parliament!”

Or 'Groundhog Day'.

[Carmel Corn]

1 minute ago, ExWNYer said:

Or 'Groundhog Day'.

I was thinking of “The Exorcist”, which is what the Sabres need desperately

[Idemo Buffalo]

6 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

So what do you think? 

I think the terrible PP is killing this team. Tage and Tuch have no goals on the power play. It is ridiculous.

[phil_soisson]

24 minutes ago, Goldseatsaud said:

Let’s see new coaches and nothing changes. Is Ted Sator available 

He ain't going nowhere.

[Idemo Buffalo]

3 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Just took a look at the updated standings....tied for last in the entire conference. Tied for 28th - 30th in the league.  Woo Hoo!!

Relax. They are also just 3 points out of the wild card.  Lot of hockey to play.

[ExWNYer]

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Just took a look at the updated standings....tied for last in the entire conference. Tied for 28th - 30th in the league.  Woo Hoo!!

And, there is no "generational talent" at the top of this coming draft. Naturally.

[EM88]

24 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

Yes, A tear down should start with Kevin Adams being fired.

Serious question here: If Adams gets fired, how does that make things better?

I tend to agree with others that made the point Pegula will still want to oversee, suggest, veto, or have last word in all player moves.  I see a new GM, who will be chose by him, as just someone bringing him different choices for him to choose or not choose from. Pegs seems to have his fingerprints all over this team from the time he took over.  Free agent signings, at least some input into contracts, or who gets contracts and who doesn't.  He picks all the GM's and presidents and likely the coaches.

I really think Adams is not much more than a puppet for pegula.  If a new GM comes in, it will be someone who Pegs picks to have the same role. How does that change anything?

1 minute ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

Relax. They are also just 3 points out of the wild card.  Lot of hockey to play.

It isn't about what may happen in the future. Many or most of us are commenting on how we feel right now. 

When seeing the last 3 games, in addition to the season as a whole, telling fans who invest in this team to Relax isn't all that appropriate. We are fans, we comment on what we just saw, not what may happen sometime in the future.

[LGR4GM]

 

 

[zow2]

Adams swung and whiffed on the roster.  The core grew up and matured but never got any better than a few years ago. Now they are stuck doing another rebuild from a failed rebuild.

[Doohicksie]

Didn't watch the game.  Went to a lesbian wedding.

[mjd1001]

2 minutes ago, EM88 said:

Serious question here: If Adams gets fired, how does that make things better?

I tend to agree with others that made the point Pegula will still want to oversee, suggest, veto, or have last word in all player moves.  I see a new GM, who will be chose by him, as just someone bringing him different choices for him to choose or not choose from. Pegs seems to have his fingerprints all over this team from the time he took over.  Free agent signings, at least some input into contracts, or who gets contracts and who doesn't.  He picks all the GM's and presidents and likely the coaches.

I really think Adams is not much more than a puppet for pegula.  If a new GM comes in, it will be someone who Pegs picks to have the same role. How does that change anything?

 

That is my point exactly.....firing Adams may make some people feel better. After watching the start of this season...its very frustrating. 

But who is Pegula going to PICK to come here, that will be WILLING to come here, that is going to make a difference?  

If Adams stays as GM under the current situation, nothing changes.  If a new GM comes in that Pegula picks nothing changes.  The only thing that changes things if its A new gm, OR ADAMS staying, and Pegula stops being Pegula.

Adams leaving does nothing by itself. Zero.

[Idemo Buffalo]

2 minutes ago, EM88 said:

It isn't about what may happen in the future. Many or most of us are commenting on how we feel right now. 

When seeing the last 3 games, in addition to the season as a whole, telling fans who invest in this team to Relax isn't all that appropriate. We are fans, we comment on what we just saw, not what may happen sometime in the future.

The Sabres have a Power Play problem. Not a team problem. They would be 7-4-1 instead of 4-7-1 if they had a decent PP.  It is something that can be fixed. They just lost back to back games by 1 goal. The sky is not falling.  

[KC Scouts]

Just now, Doohicksie said:

Didn't watch the game.  Went to a lesbian wedding.

Can any of them play hockey?

[phil_soisson]

23 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

This team is just on an endless journey of suck

My pick for best comment!

[SwampD]

37 minutes ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Time to start watching real teams play hockey... not the Sabres.  Thank God for espn+

Absolutely. The difference is striking.

[HumanSlinky39]

I've been pretty steadfast that I feel this is a playoff team this year; I no longer feel that way. This is the same old Sabres. Adams has not done good enough job, full stop. This is likely to be a very tight race for the playoffs in this conference, and that makes the games you lose in October/November hurt that much more. You cannot lose a bunch of games to the CBJ, Pens, Islanders, and Wings. 3/4 of those (if not all 4) won't be in the playoffs. The clock should be ticking on Adams's tenure. If they're out of the playoffs, he has to go.