Who wants to see Adams make a trade

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I can understand that line of thinking, a blockbuster trade is risky and Adams has never made one.  

The Eichel trade?  He hasn't made a blockbuster since the teardown, although some might say Mitts for Byram was a significant albeit stupid trade.                            

[Pimlach]

42 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I understand this sentiment, but, assuming Adams can actually complete a deal, the deal would look like the McLeod deal (prospects and picks for an NHL player).

One cheaper player I've always had an interest in SJ's Jan Rutta.  He is 34 and on the last year of his current deal at 2.75 (cap).  He is (was?) an excellent stay at home D and has no trade protection.  He'd be a good vet to help teach the kids how to play in their zone.  He is still playing about 18 minutes a night.  

 

He is not for me unless he is practically free.  He could easily be another EJ Part 2, and I don't want to spend assets on a older vet rental player, we tried that already.  Get more players in their prime that set an example by their play and will put a few seasons in and help us grow.   

Finding a defensive defenseman is not that hard at all, they are the most common defenseman out there.  Finding a guy with offensive skills and high-potential like Byram was probably harder, but did we need him when we already had Power and Dahlin?   That trade did not make the team better in the near term, and it created a bigger hole at center than the one we had on defense. 

The problem with our defense should not be that hard to fix, but Adams is very cautious and maybe that will eventually work for him? 

The defense is only one move away from getting better.  We need a defensive stalwart in the top four to fill the role that Muel is not filling.  

 

[Pimlach]

11 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The Eichel trade?  He hasn't made a blockbuster since the teardown, although some might say Mitts for Byram was a significant albeit stupid trade.                            

Wrong example.  That was a trade forced out of abandonment.   Eichel wanted out, the injury was the excuse that the Sabres used to oblige him.   

It was a teardown trade, not a trade used to make a significant leap forward.

 

[Porous Five Hole]

You need a dance partner, and no team NOT currently rebuilding is going to throw in the towel in November.  
 

Nashville & St. Louis have started slow.  But they’re not going to signal a rebuild and sacrifice ticket sales this early. 
 

So you’ve got to target rebuilding teams like SJ, Anaheim, Montreal, and maybe Columbus.  That’s a small group of teams to try to make something “big” happen. 
 

For fun, I checked on how Zegras season has gone…one goal in 14 games. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

Just now, Pimlach said:

Wrong example.  That was a trade forced out of abandonment.   Eichel wanted out, the injury was the excuse that the Sabres used to oblige him.   

It was a teardown trade, not a trade used to make a significant leap forward.

 

Which is why I wrote that he hasn't made a blockbuster since the teardown.  That said, the Eichel trade is a blockbuster regardless of circumstances.  

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

13 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

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For fun, I checked on how Zegras season has gone…one goal in 14 games. 

Talk about someone who needs a fresh start and whose price is decreasing by the game.  

24 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

He is not for me unless he is practically free.  He could easily be another EJ Part 2, and I don't want to spend assets on a older vet rental player, we tried that already.  Get more players in their prime that set an example by their play and will put a few seasons in and help us grow.   

With Samuelsson out for a significant period (months?), we need help now. Bryson and Gilbert aren't reliable and Joki sucks.  Rutta can still play and can handle 2nd pair minutes.  He averaged almost 20 a game last season and is at 18 this year. 

Remember this is Adams we are talking about.  He loves the shop the clearance bin.    

[Pimlach]

10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

 

With Samuelsson out for a significant period (months?), we need help now. Bryson and Gilbert aren't reliable and Joki sucks.  Rutta can still play and can handle 2nd pair minutes.  He averaged almost 20 a game last season and is at 18 this year. 

Remember this is Adams we are talking about.  He loves the shop the clearance bin.    

Aha. I saw the Samuelsson injury thread after I replied on Rutta.

I now agree that we could use a better vet to help fill that void (over Bryson/Gilbert/Joker) and the clearance bin is one way to get help for the near term. 

Still prefer a trade that brings in a solid vet in his prime with some term, but yeah, I see your point too.    

[rickshaw]

We need to make our backline the best unit in the league. Work out from the back. 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, Pimlach said:

We need that winger to open space for Cozens and Benson.  

Fair enough. They seem set on playing Quinn so that's why I named him (and Benson was hurt at the time) with Cozens but I'd like to see Quinn bumped out of the starting line up for sure. 

[Pimlach]

3 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

You need a dance partner, and no team NOT currently rebuilding is going to throw in the towel in November.  
 

Nashville & St. Louis have started slow.  But they’re not going to signal a rebuild and sacrifice ticket sales this early. 
 

So you’ve got to target rebuilding teams like SJ, Anaheim, Montreal, and maybe Columbus.  That’s a small group of teams to try to make something “big” happen. 
 

For fun, I checked on how Zegras season has gone…one goal in 14 games. 

Plenty of teams are looking to improve.  Boston is a team that would like a jump start.  Same with Tampa and others.  

[Porous Five Hole]

26 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Plenty of teams are looking to improve.  Boston is a team that would like a jump start.  Same with Tampa and others.  

Sure, but divisional teams aren’t usually eager to trade with each other. That’s why I was studying the western conference.  
 

For instance, the last time we studied this, we found three trades between Boston and Buffalo in 50+ years.  Your likeness from 1976 acquiring Savard, the Sabres moving on from Paille in 2011 (I think that was the year), and Taylor Hall with a gun to their head.  
 

It is super unlikely they will be able to make a trade for a top six forward within the division.  

[Demoted]

I feel like when Adam's calls someone they laugh and hang up.

[gilbert11]

13 hours ago, inkman said:

Old people jokes?  Sheesh.  Most of Sabrespace will be retired in a decade.  

I am retired.

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Sure, but divisional teams aren’t usually eager to trade with each other. That’s why I was studying the western conference.  
 

For instance, the last time we studied this, we found three trades between Boston and Buffalo in 50+ years.  Your likeness from 1976 acquiring Savard, the Sabres moving on from Paille in 2011 (I think that was the year), and Taylor Hall with a gun to their head.  
 

It is super unlikely they will be able to make a trade for a top six forward within the division.  

Probably so. 

[inkman]

11 hours ago, gilbert11 said:

I am retired.

Yes 

[EM88]

17 hours ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Sure, but divisional teams aren’t usually eager to trade with each other. That’s why I was studying the western conference.  
 

For instance, the last time we studied this, we found three trades between Boston and Buffalo in 50+ years.  Your likeness from 1976 acquiring Savard, the Sabres moving on from Paille in 2011 (I think that was the year), and Taylor Hall with a gun to their head.  
 

It is super unlikely they will be able to make a trade for a top six forward within the division.  

I am not disagreeing that its true. I just think its dumb to not trade in your division.

You should always make the best deal available. If it makes a division team better also then so be it. Your goal is to win the cup, not just the division.  If you make a trade, you make the best trade possible no matter who it is to.

[spndnchz]

1 minute ago, EM88 said:

I am not disagreeing that its true. I just think its dumb to not trade in your division.

You should always make the best deal available. If it makes a division team better also then so be it. Your goal is to win the cup, not just the division.  If you make a trade, you make the best trade possible no matter who it is to.

Ok. I’ll trade you HarborCenter for Niagara Falls straight away