Who wants to see Adams make a trade

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

That also scares me... get rid of adams and get Karmanos... another adams buddy and Pegula shill... we clearly need a completely new head office.. 

You're confusing Karmanos with Forton.  Karmanos getting the GM reins likely would be a good thing.  (Can never say for certain with a 1st timer.  But his pedigree is good.)  Forton, while he seems like a nice guy, yeah, not so much.

[Mr Peabody]

13 minutes ago, Taro T said:

You're confusing Karmanos with Forton.  Karmanos getting the GM reins likely would be a good thing.  (Can never say for certain with a 1st timer.  But his pedigree is good.)  Forton, while he seems like a nice guy, yeah, not so much.

To be clear I injected Karmanos’ name.  Pagnotta mentioned no potential successor. My thought process is/was Karmanos is highly thought of and he’d be gone if not bumped up. 

[PerreaultForever]

51 minutes ago, Taro T said:

You're confusing Karmanos with Forton.  Karmanos getting the GM reins likely would be a good thing.  (Can never say for certain with a 1st timer.  But his pedigree is good.)  Forton, while he seems like a nice guy, yeah, not so much.

My own view is that if Karmanos was a Pegula consideration for GM he'd already be GM. I think Pegula has placed Forton in the go to successor spot if Adams fails by whatever deadline Terry has in his mind. 

Speculatively - I firmly believe that Pegula will always want a yes man in that role and will always meddle as a de facto GM and Karmanos isn't as much of a yes man and thus has a quieter back room role where he analyzes and makes recommendations and so forth. Talking more to the GM then the owner. That's just a guess though. 

[Night Train]

1 hour ago, Skibum said:

Id' like to see a trade, but I don't want Adams to be the guy who does it. 

Midge, the concession captain at 4C has some good ideas. 

[JP51]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

You're confusing Karmanos with Forton.  Karmanos getting the GM reins likely would be a good thing.  (Can never say for certain with a 1st timer.  But his pedigree is good.)  Forton, while he seems like a nice guy, yeah, not so much.

Actually you may be right about me confusing the two ... but in the end i don't want anyone associated with the current front office (except Lindy) around 

[Flashsabre]

3 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I definitely think it's the right moment for a trade. Not a roster subtraction trade, but a prospects for a veteran winger trade for sure. 

There is a moment to be seized here but we have to find a way to be a little better than we are. In this division, only Florida is a dominant team. Everybody else has issues or is not that much better than us. Tampa and Toronto are arguably better but can be beat. Boston is horrible, Montreal is still in transition, Detroit and Ottawa are different to us but not better right now. A second line fix and this team can make the playoffs.

We need a rugged winger to open up space for Cozens and Quinn.

What we really need is a 2nd line centre and move Cozens to the wing.

[JP51]

2 hours ago, SabreFinn said:

There are a need to make trades, both on D and top 6, but I simply do not want Adams to be the guy who makes those trades. The Adams-special, trade away a C and not replacing with another decent caliber C, are trades that might never make him a GM again the day he leaves Sabres.

I don't think there is a chance in he// that he gets a GM job just like none of our coaches and GMs with the exception of Lindy Ruff have ever gotten equivalent jobs after they left the organization since Pegula took over... maybe Bylsma did like 9 years later ... it's absolutely an indictment of unparalleled incompetence that knows no equal... maybe the Jets... lol

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

What we really need is a 2nd line centre and move Cozens to the wing.

A  center would work as well. I think Cozens would be better on the wing but a big winger would open up space for him as well. Either way but I don't see that guy on the roster.

[Porous Five Hole]

3 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

What we really need is a 2nd line centre and move Cozens to the wing.

You’re right, but no one was saying this after Dylan’s 31 goal, 68 point season.
It has gone poorly since then, but he was 22 at the time he signed his extension and his current putrid play was not the expected growth model. The plan was for him to grow into a bonafide 2C. 
 

So, time to pivot like you’re suggesting.  No doubt he has been bad the last 1.25 years and it is on Ruff/Dylan to figure it out, but the plan was for Dylan to continue to ascend. That hasn’t happened.

However, I don’t blame the Sabres for not seeing this coming.  No one hated the Cozens extension at the time. This is an opportunity for GMKA to make his mark or deservingly get fired…and he has the cap space to make it happen. He probably needs time for a seller to identify they’re a seller and make a hockey trade.  His job probably depend on it. 

[Flashsabre]

4 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

You’re right, but no one was saying this after Dylan’s 31 goal, 68 point season.
It has gone poorly since then, but he was 22 at the time he signed his extension and his current putrid play was not the expected growth model. The plan was for him to grow into a bonafide 2C. 
 

So, time to pivot like you’re suggesting.  No doubt he has been bad the last 1.25 years and it is on Ruff/Dylan to figure it out, but the plan was for Dylan to continue to ascend. That hasn’t happened.

However, I don’t blame the Sabres for not seeing this coming.  No one hated the Cozens extension at the time. This is an opportunity for GMKA to make his mark or deservingly get fired…and he has the cap space to make it happen. He probably needs time for a seller to identify they’re a seller and make a hockey trade.  His job probably depend on it. 

It’s not about the poor results of late it’s that he doesn’t have the smarts/hockey IQ to be a 2nd line centre. When he has to think with the puck on his stick it is a problem.

[Pimlach]

Since I previously stated I think he has to make moves to upgrade the top 6.  
 

So yes, I want him to make a great trade. 

[Brawndo]

From 32 Thoughts by Elliot Friedman 

2. One of the more active early-season general managers is Buffalo’s Kevyn Adams, but he’s made it clear he does not wish to subtract. He’s trying to add. 

[Alaska John]

If Adams can figure out a way to trade himself to another team, even for a bag of used pucks, that would open up a slot for a competent GM to step in.  

[JP51]

8 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

A  center would work as well. I think Cozens would be better on the wing but a big winger would open up space for him as well. Either way but I don't see that guy on the roster.

That may be exactly what DC needs

3 hours ago, Alaska John said:

If Adams can figure out a way to trade himself to another team, even for a bag of used pucks, that would open up a slot for a competent GM to step in.  

Winning post lol 😆 

[LGR4GM]

8 hours ago, Brawndo said:

From 32 Thoughts by Elliot Friedman 

2. One of the more active early-season general managers is Buffalo’s Kevyn Adams, but he’s made it clear he does not wish to subtract. He’s trying to add. 

Well, he's doing a ***** job of adding to this point. You'd think a guy that traded/cut 2 top 6 forwards would have fixed this in the summer. The Byram trade will never make sense to me. 

[Flashsabre]

Well good to hear that Adams is looking to add. What he is able to add is the million dollar question.

The teams around the Sabres all seem to be stalling out. If they can fix the 2nd line they have as good of a shot as anyone to make a run to the playoffs.

I prefer a 2nd line centre but an impact winger would work too. If the Isles continue to slide does Brock Nelson become available? UFA after season.

[JP51]

13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Well, he's doing a ***** job of adding to this point. You'd think a guy that traded/cut 2 top 6 forwards would have fixed this in the summer. The Byram trade will never make sense to me. 

Never.... I mean never make sense

[kas23]

I am fine with KA making moves. He now has Lindy telling him what he wants and made some decent offseason signings. This wasn’t the case last year. 

[Archie Lee]

10 hours ago, Brawndo said:

From 32 Thoughts by Elliot Friedman 

2. One of the more active early-season general managers is Buffalo’s Kevyn Adams, but he’s made it clear he does not wish to subtract. He’s trying to add. 

At this time of year, the best we could likely do is the forward equivalent of an Olli Maatta.  I don't see us acquiring a top 6 forward now. The time for that was the off-season. The next realistic opportunity will be the deadline. 

Unfortunately, I think we are in the cycle of being unwilling to trade young assets when their value is high. We then, of course, are unable to negotiate a worthwhile return when their value is low.  Waiting for the day when a team will trade us a top-6 forward for our 7th best prospect and a 2nd rd pick, is just going to leave us waiting.  

[Eichless21]

I’ll take Farabee please…. I’ll hang up and listen

[JP51]

59 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

At this time of year, the best we could likely do is the forward equivalent of an Olli Maatta.  I don't see us acquiring a top 6 forward now. The time for that was the off-season. The next realistic opportunity will be the deadline. 

Unfortunately, I think we are in the cycle of being unwilling to trade young assets when their value is high. We then, of course, are unable to negotiate a worthwhile return when their value is low.  Waiting for the day when a team will trade us a top-6 forward for our 7th best prospect and a 2nd rd pick, is just going to leave us waiting.  

Then we also have the issue of, the failure has been so epic and consistent, the dysfunction has been so profound and entrenched, the resurgence and emergence of players that leave this cesspool has been so frequent that no one that is respectable and impactful will want to come here...  Which is exactly why the FO must be eradicated and notable and competent people must be installed. 

[Rasmus_]

20 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Can we fire Adams and get a real GM before redoing the roster?

This please. No glorified "yes men" gloating Terry Pegula apologists please.  Positive culture.  Pfft.

Adams has the urgency of a man walking into a hurricane with only an umbrella.

[GASabresIUFAN]

12 hours ago, Rasmus_ said:

This please. No glorified "yes men" gloating Terry Pegula apologists please.  Positive culture.  Pfft.

Adams has the urgency of a man walking into a hurricane with only an umbrella.

I find it interesting that some of the people who disagreed with my post also want trades to occur.  My question is how can you trust Adams to fix the broken roster he created when he has a proven track record of being unable to evaluate NHL talent?

 

Edited November 1 by GASabresIUFAN

[GoPuckYourself]

I would like a trade I just don’t want it to be by Adams for reasons I’ve stated countless times.

[#freejame]

I’m so over prospects that I’m willing to have KA shoot his best shot at packaging them up with picks for a top 6 forward. I don’t really care what happens to the ones he trades. If his pickup stinks then oh well. I’m not willing to sit on our proverbial hands hoping KA gets fired instead of letting him package up a bunch of guys who aren’t even on the team.

If Savoie got McLeod, what does two Savoie level prospects get us? Two and a pick? Make it big and make it hurt.