Who wants to see Adams make a trade

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, #freejame said:

I’m so over prospects that I’m willing to have KA shoot his best shot at packaging them up with picks for a top 6 forward. I don’t really care what happens to the ones he trades. If his pickup stinks then oh well. I’m not willing to sit on our proverbial hands hoping KA gets fired instead of letting him package up a bunch of guys who aren’t even on the team.

If Savoie got McLeod, what does two Savoie level prospects get us? Two and a pick? Make it big and make it hurt. 

I think we are all over prospects, potential and perhaps if, I think looking at the track record of how this team has been assembled, the question is, is this the guy you actually want making your trades... again 3 Sabres top 15 in scoring... none of them with the team... Need a top 6 center... but we traded him for a bottom 6 Dman and now he is in the top 15 in scoring... the lists go on... I dont want him to set us back farther than he already has.. 

[#freejame]

1 minute ago, JP51 said:

I think we are all over prospects, potential and perhaps if, I think looking at the track record of how this team has been assembled, the question is, is this the guy you actually want making your trades... again 3 Sabres top 15 in scoring... none of them with the team... Need a top 6 center... but we traded him for a bottom 6 Dman and now he is in the top 15 in scoring... the lists go on... I dont want him to set us back farther than he already has.. 

None of those players were trading as prospects. In fact, I’ll go further and say not a single prospect traded away during the drought has hit the level fans thought they would. That’s the nature of it. Package up assets, get a roster player.

We don’t need to deal from our roster. If KA trades Helenius, Rosen, and a 1st for X, and that player goes on to stink, I don’t care! Don’t care about the players we lost. Don’t care that new player stinks. We are in a position to be aggressive and make the playoffs. KA isn’t about to leave the kitchen. He might as well try to bake something out of all his ingredients. If it turns out like ***** then oh well. But it’s really not hard to make a decent cake. 

[#freejame]

When we got O’Reilly there was next to nobody lamenting the loss of two prospects, an up and coming defenseman, and a second round pick. 

[Idemo Buffalo]

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[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

I find it interesting that some of the people who disagreed with my post also want to trades to occur.  My question is how can you trust Adams to fix the broken roster he created when he has a proven track record of being unable to evaluate NHL talent?

 

Yes, its a catch 22.   You see the need for a trade to improve the top 6.  You see we have prospects, picks, and cap space.  Then you realize that its Kevyn Adams at the helm.   Maybe he can hit on one?   

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/sabres-actively-looking-to-make-trade-addition-kevyn-adams

 

[R_Dudley]

44 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yes, its a catch 22.   You see the need for a trade to improve the top 6.  You see we have prospects, picks, and cap space.  Then you realize that its Kevyn Adams at the helm.   Maybe he can hit on one?   

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/sabres-actively-looking-to-make-trade-addition-kevyn-adams

 

Tapping into the adage even a blind squirrel finds a nut I see but I fear it will be a left one when what we need is the right one. 

If it finally kicks him to the curb well then let's have at it but the compounding effect to record for futility and demoralizing of the fan base has been shameful.

[JP51]

49 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yes, its a catch 22.   You see the need for a trade to improve the top 6.  You see we have prospects, picks, and cap space.  Then you realize that its Kevyn Adams at the helm.   Maybe he can hit on one?   

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/sabres-actively-looking-to-make-trade-addition-kevyn-adams

 

Totally agree, this is the quandry... I just dont trust him.

[GASabresIUFAN]

10 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Yes, its a catch 22.   You see the need for a trade to improve the top 6.  You see we have prospects, picks, and cap space.  Then you realize that its Kevyn Adams at the helm.   Maybe he can hit on one?   

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/sabres-actively-looking-to-make-trade-addition-kevyn-adams

 

I was trying to think of any moves (trade/fa) that actually made the Sabres better.  I can think of many that made us actually worse or were a complete waste like signing Hall, E. Johnson, Comrie, Stillman, and of course Mitts for Byram.  I also have a long list of meh or inconsequential moves like Pysyk, Reider, Kubel, Robinson, Lyubushkin, Lafferty, and Hinostroza.  I also don’t like wasting a 2nd on Malenstyn who is on pace for 16 pts this season.   

Even moves like Anderson, who played decently for us, was a downgrade after Adams lost Ullmark to free agency.  The McLeod trade is looking good so far on its own, but he is a definite downgrade from Mittelstadt.  

If we had to argue for the “good” moves, we are left with possibly Greenway and possibly Zucker and Clifton, but none have significantly improved the team.  Clifton was actually a huge negative to start last season and Greenway is only finally showing value in year 2 here.  

Not exactly a stellar track record.

For all those who are about to mention the teardown trades where we sent Eichel, Reinhart, Montour and Ristolainen packing, here is a look at those.  The 1st 3 have all won a Cup with their new teams.  From those moves we have a 1st line winger in Tuch, a 13th forward in Krebs, a backup goalie with potential in Levi, a top 9 forward in Greenway and some decent prospects that may (or may not) contribute to the Sabres in Östlund, Kulich, and Wahlberg.  Right now, only Tuch is a consistent contributor 3+ years later.  Would you trade Reinhart for Greenway and Levi? I’m note sure I would. 

Now add that Adams has never fixed goaltending after Ullmark left which is spotty again this season and never acquired proper partners for Dahlin or Power.  What you have is the mess we have today where 10 games into the new season we are already looking for a big trade or two to fix obvious holes in the roster like a top 6 center and some stay at home D to repair on ice issues such as a lack of depth scoring, poor defensive play, poor special teams and spotty goaltending.

Edited yesterday at 03:51 AM by GASabresIUFAN

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Yes, its a catch 22.   You see the need for a trade to improve the top 6.  You see we have prospects, picks, and cap space.  Then you realize that its Kevyn Adams at the helm.   Maybe he can hit on one?   

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/sabres-actively-looking-to-make-trade-addition-kevyn-adams

 

I know I'm saying the same thing over and over every couple of days, but I actually would like to see but I actually would like to see "Adams unleashed" before I see him fired. The problem is we should have seen that last year or the year before. 

I really think Adams does the leg work but every move is approved by Pegula, and Terry even suggests some moves. 

My impression is that Adams is like a chef and waiter at a restaurant... He talks to other teams, does the work and puts together a  "menu" of options for moves that can be made.... but it's really Pegula that is making the final choices.

There is some evidence to this years ago and some circumstantial evidence recently. Beyond that there's no smoking shotgun but I just get the impression that's how things are run there.

[Stoner]

This is one time the owner can meddle. If he's leaning strongly toward firing Adams soon... for example if he decided to wait until 20 games to see if the team is a playoff team (and after 10 games it's far from it), then he has every interest in OKing or nixing deals. Especially big ones...

[Mr Peabody]

If he’s not looking to subtract I’d assume Kulich goes to Rochester and we rotate the healthy scratches?

[LabattBlue]

15 hours ago, Brawndo said:

…but he’s made it clear he does not wish to subtract. He’s trying to add. 

What does this mean?  Doesn’t want to subtract from the 23 man roster, prospects, picks?

No one or no pick should be off-limits.  Nothing. 

Edited Thursday at 06:49 PM by LabattBlue

[mjd1001]

37 minutes ago, Stoner said:

This is one time the owner can meddle. If he's leaning strongly toward firing Adams soon... for example if he decided to wait until 20 games to see if the team is a playoff team (and after 10 games it's far from it), then he has every interest in OKing or nixing deals. Especially big ones...

The issue I have is, I think he has been doing that all along. I think a Primary reason Murray is gone is the didn't like it and said something...and Botts, I think it has been written he didn't like how we was being 'managed' from above either.

I think Adams is here becuase he would do what Pegula wants him to do. If Pegula fires Adams, he is simply firing his own mouthpiece.

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What does this mean?  Doesn’t want to subtract from the 23 man roster, prospects, picks?

No one or no pick should be off-limits.  Nothing. 

Maybe he has a deal involving Cozens (I doubt it but...) and that team would be using Cozens at wing, not center, and wants to see just a small sample size of Cozens at wing....so Lindy was told to make the move to put that on display.

[inkman]

2 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said:

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Sure they are 

[Archie Lee]

21 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

What does this mean?  Doesn’t want to subtract from the 23 man roster, prospects, picks?

No one or no pick should be off-limits.  Nothing. 

I would say that it means he's not looking to move players who are currently helping us win, he is looking to move prospects and picks for an established player.  Where the "prospect" line is drawn is perhaps the question.  Is it drawn above or below the young players currently on the NHL squad? 

More simply, it just means he looking to buy and not sell.

 

 

[mjd1001]

It could be all smoke and no fire.

It could be a lot of different things.

It could be trading a guy who has taken a step backward (Quinn) and a high level prospect for a guy similar to Quinn that might be more expensive but producing right now a bit better.  

[steveoath]

Hope for the best…

expect Pierre ***** Engvall 

[JP51]

3 hours ago, #freejame said:

None of those players were trading as prospects. In fact, I’ll go further and say not a single prospect traded away during the drought has hit the level fans thought they would. That’s the nature of it. Package up assets, get a roster player.

We don’t need to deal from our roster. If KA trades Helenius, Rosen, and a 1st for X, and that player goes on to stink, I don’t care! Don’t care about the players we lost. Don’t care that new player stinks. We are in a position to be aggressive and make the playoffs. KA isn’t about to leave the kitchen. He might as well try to bake something out of all his ingredients. If it turns out like ***** then oh well. But it’s really not hard to make a decent cake. 

Well, I am not talking exclusively about prospects... prospects, potential and perhaps if, encompass the entire team. The construction of the team in my opinion has been atrocious. The moves that have been made, the contracts that have been entered into, and yes by an large the players drafted and acquired have been a failure... an abysmal failure. I personally do not want the person that orchestrated this current version of abject dysfuction to preside over the construction of the team and the use of its assets.... I struggle to look at a move or a signing he has made that really made me say well done, let alone actually show he is competent.  In fact, he has dropped our ability to bargain and trade to only those players who do not have an NMC. That alone should tell you something. From my perspective he knows he is on the hot seat and the last thing I want is to throw a hail mary to save his job with our players, young, old, future, current, none.  And I agree, its really not hard to make a decent cake, in fact with half the teams making the playoffs its literallly like a follow the instructions easy bake oven... yet.... this organization and front office havent even come close... so as easy as baking a cake might be this Front offices track record is "oops we forgot it in the oven" as the fire engines come blaring down the street.

[Carmel Corn]

Trade?  There’s not enough room on our 4th line for another addition….but then GMKA will just promote everybody up a line.

[PerreaultForever]

Boston is in free fall and looking desperate to add some speed and skill. Perfect team (even though they are in the division) to offer picks or prospects that might fit that bill for a solid winger/forward. I have no idea if he could make this happen but I would pay higher than value to get Trent Frederic. I'm totally serious here, I think a line of Benson-Frederic-Cozens could be dominant. 

If not him, somebody similar. A big strong center or winger with adequate speed to fit in. That's what we need and we need it soon to make the leap this year. 

[Two or less]

 

The problem with trading early in the season and why its very rare, it's because if Sabres for example are ready to make a swing for a top-6 forward, and willing to tangle some promising prospects, the teams who are engaging in the talks is limited to like 5-6 teams who see early season struggles and realize future is more important then making a playoff run even though the season had just started.

If the Sabres make a trade, it'll be with someone like the Ducks, Flyers, Sharks, Hawks.

You're throwing up a big piece but are limited to what couldve been available in the summer or what could be available later in the season when more teams are willing to wave the white flag.

[Taro T]

26 minutes ago, Two or less said:

 

The problem with trading early in the season and why its very rare, it's because if Sabres for example are ready to make a swing for a top-6 forward, and willing to tangle some promising prospects, the teams who are engaging in the talks is limited to like 5-6 teams who see early season struggles and realize future is more important then making a playoff run even though the season had just started.

If the Sabres make a trade, it'll be with someone like the Ducks, Flyers, Sharks, Hawks.

You're throwing up a big piece but are limited to what couldve been available in the summer or what could be available later in the season when more teams are willing to wave the white flag.

The rumor over the summer was that Adams was trying to get Zegras.  Wonder if he's still on his radar and what Anaheim would want for him?

[triumph_communes]

A trade is neat in concept but I will be pissed if helenius or wahlberg get traded away. We have a handful of underperforming players struggling in the new system that need rotated around is all right now 

[JP51]

45 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

A trade is neat in concept but I will be pissed if helenius or wahlberg get traded away. We have a handful of underperforming players struggling in the new system that need rotated around is all right now 

But i don't want Adams to be the one who does it ... we do need a change but do we want the abjectly incompetent and completely unequipped destructor of this team to be making those decisons.