Idemo Buffalo Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Stoner said: Idemo showing more cards... 🤣 I can assure you I have nothing to do with the Buffalo Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idemo Buffalo Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Stoner said: They released it yesterday? Again? Why? Do you want to get the quote right? Why are you adding the word "just"? The Bills PR people put the word "just" in there in the headline. Not me. https://www.buffalobills.com/video/terry-pegula-i-m-a-football-guy-13970610 Terry Pegula: "I'm a Football Guy" New owner Terry Pegula explains why he's "a football guy" and not just "a hockey guy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 14 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said: The Bills PR people put the word "just" in there in the headline. Not me. https://www.buffalobills.com/video/terry-pegula-i-m-a-football-guy-13970610 Terry Pegula: "I'm a Football Guy" New owner Terry Pegula explains why he's "a football guy" and not just "a hockey guy". They did it for obv. reasons, to dramatically change the meaning of what he said. Terry said he's a football guy (btw he is and appears to be a very good one; he cut his teeth as a powerful figure in PSU football). He said people think he's a hockey guy bc he bought a hockey team. It is what it is. Those Scranton tend to talk first and think later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 29 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said: Certain situations exist where they lose money, but not overall. The state of New York has an aging population, and younger people are not having enough children. Recipe for disaster. So they give tax credits to keep business and people there. If the Bills leave for Austin TX all the taxes and jobs for decades go with it. Then the city becomes viewed as a place to not invest money by anyone. Property values drop, businesses and workers flee, and the tax base disappears. Doesn't matter your politics, but Kathy Hochul understood this. Just look at what happened to Oakland, CA. None of this seems to be on point. I understand how tax incentives work, I went to school for planning and worked with a number of local planners for quite a long time. You are painting with a weirdly broad brush and lumping a whole lot of things together that aren't part of the conversation. If you want to start to have a conversation about good and bad development deals locally I suggest you start with identifying the the commonality in last names. Paladino, Ciminelli, Savarino. Sinatra, Montante, Croce (RIP to that slime ball), Macaluso, etc. But in regards to The nuts and bolts of the deal with TP for this development was deemed a bad deal from the start by people who do this sort of thing for a living and a decade later it is still a bad deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said: They are great owners. Nope. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idemo Buffalo Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Mango said: None of this seems to be on point. I understand how tax incentives work, I went to school for planning and worked with a number of local planners for quite a long time. You are painting with a weirdly broad brush and lumping a whole lot of things together that aren't part of the conversation. If you want to start to have a conversation about good and bad development deals locally I suggest you start with identifying the the commonality in last names. Paladino, Ciminelli, Savarino. Sinatra, Montante, Croce (RIP to that slime ball), Macaluso, etc. But in regards to The nuts and bolts of the deal with TP for this development was deemed a bad deal from the start by people who do this sort of thing for a living and a decade later it is still a bad deal. What I am saying is there are good and bad deals, but the states/cities/counties do them because the good outweigh the bad. Nobody has a crystal ball. Nobody anticipated covid. Nobody anticipated all the excess spending that resulted in higher interest rates. Ask someone who gave tax incentives to a mall developer in 1980 if it was a good deal and they might say yes. Ask someone who did it right before Amazon took over and covid killed shopping and they will say no. They weigh tax incentives and investments in things like funding a stadium. There is obviously some corruption in places like Albany too, but for the most part the tax incentives exist with the goal of adding jobs and adding to the tax base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, Idemo Buffalo said: I am genuinely curious what you will complain about when the Sabres make the playoff this year. I believe your statement was…”the Sabres will make a deep run in the playoffs this year”. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idemo Buffalo Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I believe your statement was…”the Sabres will make a deep run in the playoffs this year”. 😂 I stand by my statement. They will win at least 2 series. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said: What I am saying is there are good and bad deals, but the states/cities/counties do them because the good outweigh the bad. Nobody has a crystal ball. Nobody anticipated covid. Nobody anticipated all the excess spending that resulted in higher interest rates. Ask someone who gave tax incentives to a mall developer in 1980 if it was a good deal and they might say yes. Ask someone who did it right before Amazon took over and covid killed shopping and they will say no. They weigh tax incentives and investments in things like funding a stadium. There is obviously some corruption in places like Albany too, but for the most part the tax incentives exist with the goal of adding jobs and adding to the tax base. It is odd to come into a conversation about a specific development that was deemed a terrible deal from the start and then continue to paint with a broad brush with "No BuT tHe GoAl wAs To Be GoOd, sOme DeAls ArE GoOd Ya KnOw. wHo WoUlD hAvE kNoWn iT wOuLd Be BaD? AlSo WhAt aBoUt MaLls?" Lots of people who worked for the city and county involved in this deal knew it was a bad deal, and said it was a bad deal, but we moved forward with the terms anyways. This has to be some weird PSE burner account right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, Idemo Buffalo said: I stand by my statement. They will win at least 2 series. Ok. Sounds good. Pass the pipe. 1 minute ago, Mango said: This has to be some weird PSE burner account right? Yep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Ok. Sounds good. Pass the pipe. Yep. Kevyn Adams, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idemo Buffalo Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Mango said: It is odd to come into a conversation about a specific development that was deemed a terrible deal from the start and then continue to paint with a broad brush with "No BuT tHe GoAl wAs To Be GoOd, sOme DeAls ArE GoOd Ya KnOw. wHo WoUlD hAvE kNoWn iT wOuLd Be BaD? AlSo WhAt aBoUt MaLls?" Lots of people who worked for the city and county involved in this deal knew it was a bad deal, and said it was a bad deal, but we moved forward with the terms anyways. This has to be some weird PSE burner account right? What deal are you talking about? The "deals" the state has made with the Pegulas have been a huge net plus to the state. Not every deal works out, but overall they have been great for the city, county, and state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Just realized “idemo” sounds a lot like “I don’t know”. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said: What deal are you talking about? The "deals" the state has made with the Pegulas have been a huge net plus to the state. Not every deal works out, but overall they have been great for the city, county, and state. What deal's am I talking about? Dude, are you even paying attention? Are you a bot? Erie County/The City of Buffalo has not recouped their investment in the Harborcenter yet and the Pegula's have not kept their promises for employment either. That is how this whole conversation started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idemo Buffalo Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: Just realized “idemo” sounds a lot like “I don’t know”. 😂 🤣 Idemo means Let's Go in Croatian. I am not Croatian. One of the younger people that works for me set the account up. I think it was because of the Jedeme Buffalo embedded. Jedeme means Let's Go in Czech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idemo Buffalo Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Mango said: What deal's am I talking about? Dude, are you even paying attention? Are you a bot? Erie County/The City of Buffalo has not recouped their investment in the Harborcenter yet and the Pegula's have not kept their promises for employment either. That is how this whole conversation started. What investment? Do you understand how this works? An investment is the $850M the state and county put towards the Bills new stadium. The project you are talking about involved $57M in local and state tax breaks. There was no investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 55 minutes ago, Idemo Buffalo said: What deal are you talking about? The "deals" the state has made with the Pegulas have been a huge net plus to the state. Not every deal works out, but overall they have been great for the city, county, and state. Show your work. Where is the math that shows these to be great deals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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