It's past time, bench Jack Quinn

[mjd1001]

Quinn has played 9 games this year vs 27 last year, so 1/3 the games.  

But look at the 2 screenshots of where he is getting his shots from. He thrived last year shooting from the center of the ice.  This year, in 9 games, he has ONE shot from the center of the ice in front of the goalie, compared to 24 (not even counting the wrap arounds form behind the net, he hasn't had one attempt, or the one from near the blue line.)

So, on a per-game basis, he would have 8 shots from between the circles if he was getting chances like last year though 9 games. This year....1.

 

 

[Taro T]

25 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Quinn has played 9 games this year vs 27 last year, so 1/3 the games.  

But look at the 2 screenshots of where he is getting his shots from. He thrived last year shooting from the center of the ice.  This year, in 9 games, he has ONE shot from the center of the ice in front of the goalie, compared to 24 (not even counting the wrap arounds form behind the net, he hasn't had one attempt, or the one from near the blue line.)

So, on a per-game basis, he would have 8 shots from between the circles if he was getting chances like last year though 9 games. This year....1.

 

 

And that one shot he got off from in front, he was pretty well tied up and the shot didn't end up with much on it.

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

What in fresh hell happened to my favourite player?

I have not been able to watch much of the team so far this season.

What an absolute bummer, though.

For those asking for an assignment to Roch, I presume that can't happen without exposing him to waivers. In which case, it is not happening.

For those suggesting he be traded, that is folly. Given what they know the young man has in him, it would be asinine to trade him when his value is so low.

I bolded the question on sending Quinn to Rochester.  It’s not gonna happen, he will get claimed immediately.  

I too do not see him being traded this early in a season.   He will probably sit for a while, work on things, and then come back better.  

[Porous Five Hole]

The Sabres might be in trouble here.  They banked too much of their offseason on Quinn progressing to be a bonafide top six forward and he’s not close right now.  
 

They need to make a hockey trade for a top six forward.  Using Kulich as a “threat” to play better or get scratched is not a viable option for a team who is “on notice” to make the playoffs.  
 

GMKA’s job may depend on this player.  If that’s true, he needs to make a move for a top six forward and overpay if he has to. 

27 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I too do not see him being traded this early in a season.   He will probably sit for a while, work on things, and then come back better.  

I don’t think Quinn gets traded, but this team may need to make a trade RE: this post 

[bob_sauve28]

He is a hugely talented player and for what ever reason it isn't showing now. Something needs to change, but it should be with the aim of of him finding his game. 

[That Aud Smell]

JACK QUINN WILL BE FINE.

(Please be fine, Jack Quinn.)

[nfreeman]

On 10/29/2024 at 9:16 AM, Taro T said:

Quinn is absolutely struggling right now.  Said a few days ago that expect it's in large part due to not fully understanding what he needs to be doing now that for the 1st time in his professional career he has a coach that expects him to play within a structure and he's thinking out on the ice which you absolutely can't do with the speed of the game at this level.  Sitting in the press box 2-3 games with one of the coaches right next to him explaining what's going on and what he should be doing were he the one on the ice will do wonders for his play.

It also wouldn't hurt to get him away from Cozens for a few games, but with the other 3 lines all working, that's pretty much an impossibility rihgt now.  Have advocated for putting Peterka onto that line when Benson is healthy as the expectation is that he'll get more production out of those 2 than the top line production will diminish.

Had Quinn not gotten the ENG against Detroit, expect he would've gone to the press box rather than Kulich.  But, when a guy that isn't getting it finally does something good, it's really not the right time to make a move that could be interpreted as a punishment.  (Sending him to the PB isn't a punishment, it's part of him learning what he needs to be doing; but the timing would've been awful to send him where he should be.)

And if you're Aube-Kubel what's going through your mind when you're told you're finally healthy enough to be in the lineup but instead of being with your normal line that you have chemistry with, you're going to be out there with the guy that needs an empty net to score on and the guy that can't even do that right now.  Thanks, Coach.  😉 

I agree with all of this except the part about NAK -- I think a guy in his situation is pretty happy about getting a shot with a "higher" slotted line -- kinda like a promotion.

 

22 hours ago, LTS said:

Yeah, it might be personal lives, but it doesn't matter. They get paid a salary to produce at their jobs and they are not. Quinn is a joke on the ice and deserves to be in scratched and/or traded. Frankly I'd prefer if him and Cozens were taken out of the line-up. I don't care how potentially good Cozens is right now, he's still not doing anything. He makes really stupid plays and he's lost on the defensive zone. He was lost last year and the year before.

You can't have a "second" line that sucks this bad. You just cannot. If the Sabres want to talk about winning, they need to take the steps to win.

Whoa.  He's a young player who has shown great potential but who is off to a slow start.  It would be insane to trade him at this point.

[JP51]

23 hours ago, Jorcus said:

It's the lack of aggression that bothers me the most. He is not hard on pucks or opposing players. That is not a system problem that is a Quinn problem. He seems to be waiting for others to do the work and feed him a puck. To some extent I have always felt he was a little bit like that but not to this degree.

Agreed, its the Sabre way.... those are the players we have valued over the years... high skill underperforming figure skaters... the system has just morphed him into that player.... I am sure Lindy is trying to change that... but the spots of the players and their underlying traits are not gonna change... the team needs an entire overhaul and rebuild from the GM/Ownership level down to the zamboni driver...  again.... 

[That Aud Smell]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:31 AM, Jorcus said:

It's the lack of aggression that bothers me the most. He is not hard on pucks or opposing players. That is not a system problem that is a Quinn problem. He seems to be waiting for others to do the work and feed him a puck. To some extent I have always felt he was a little bit like that but not to this degree.

In athletics, especially contact sports, thinking too much and lacking confidence will look like a lack of effort.

I very much disagree that Quinn's game prior to this season hinted at a problem with playing a soft game.

It's the coaches' responsibility -- but mostly Quinn's job -- to get this sorted out.

[jad1]

18 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Quinn has played 9 games this year vs 27 last year, so 1/3 the games.  

But look at the 2 screenshots of where he is getting his shots from. He thrived last year shooting from the center of the ice.  This year, in 9 games, he has ONE shot from the center of the ice in front of the goalie, compared to 24 (not even counting the wrap arounds form behind the net, he hasn't had one attempt, or the one from near the blue line.)

So, on a per-game basis, he would have 8 shots from between the circles if he was getting chances like last year though 9 games. This year....1.

 

 

In other words, he's turned into Ville Leino.

[Stoner]

Soon it will be a pasttime.

Holy fickleness. This dude was the saviour two minutes ago.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, Stoner said:

Soon it will be a pasttime.

Holy fickleness. This dude was the saviour two minutes ago.

We set them up high so the harder they fall.

[LGR4GM]

24 minutes ago, Weave said:

We set them up high so the harder they fall.

Or he was good last year and we expected him to be good this year... or that. You know not what you said but the real reason. 

[PerreaultForever]

Don't say "we". I got a lot of flack, laughter and eye rolls saying I just didn't see what you were all saying about Quinn. 

The line imo needs a really big physical presence on it to open up the ice for Cozens and Quinn and also create havoc in front so they can shoot more effectively and play bigger. I think Ruff sees it that way too which is why he wanted to try Aube-kubel with them. That's my only thought on sticking with it. If that doesn't work it won't work so he sits, but Kulich isn't ready to be a savior yet either. 

Because Quinn is sucking (and weak) we are most definitely one winger short from being a much better team.

[LGR4GM]

53 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Don't say "we". I got a lot of flack, laughter and eye rolls saying I just didn't see what you were all saying about Quinn. 

The line imo needs a really big physical presence on it to open up the ice for Cozens and Quinn and also create havoc in front so they can shoot more effectively and play bigger. I think Ruff sees it that way too which is why he wanted to try Aube-kubel with them. That's my only thought on sticking with it. If that doesn't work it won't work so he sits, but Kulich isn't ready to be a savior yet either. 

Because Quinn is sucking (and weak) we are most definitely one winger short from being a much better team.

Sure, if you ignore everything Quinn did before this season, then sure. 🙄 

[PerreaultForever]

54 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Sure, if you ignore everything Quinn did before this season, then sure. 🙄 

No, and if you'd paid attention to what I'd said back then instead of mocking it I told you there were flaws in his game that  needed work. That's why going in to this season I said it was a question mark and I had to see what he was on the ice. Now you see it too. There's no question he has speed and skill like many young players and high draft picks but he needed to get stronger and he needed to learn to go into traffic (to put it in simplest terms). Lots of players can come in and score a bunch of goals. Doesn't mean it'll last or make them complete players. VO scored a ton of goals too. Quinn only succeeds in open ice games. So far. It's always possible Ruff can still fix him but he needs a lot of fixing. 

[thewookie1]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

No, and if you'd paid attention to what I'd said back then instead of mocking it I told you there were flaws in his game that  needed work. That's why going in to this season I said it was a question mark and I had to see what he was on the ice. Now you see it too. There's no question he has speed and skill like many young players and high draft picks but he needed to get stronger and he needed to learn to go into traffic (to put it in simplest terms). Lots of players can come in and score a bunch of goals. Doesn't mean it'll last or make them complete players. VO scored a ton of goals too. Quinn only succeeds in open ice games. So far. It's always possible Ruff can still fix him but he needs a lot of fixing. 

I think you’re trying to co-op the fact Quinn having a bad start to the season to validate your opinion on his play the past 2 seasons and frankly I think you’re mostly incorrect.

The problem I see with Quinn this year isn’t that he’s getting bullied or is Olofsson 2.0 but rather the fact he seems to have completely lost most of what made him such a great player last year. His passing is inaccurate and dangerous, he’s not shooting from prime locations, his defensive positioning (which was pretty solid with defensively suspect teams) has suddenly vacated the premises and most noticeably his speed seems to be locked behind a lead door. He’s utterly perplexing in a way that leaves me feeling confused. 

Cozens you can very easily spot specific issues which seemed to come forth, in mass, after his concussion and broken jaw last year in combination with the puck luck of a black cat walking under a ladder while mirrors fall around it. The guy quite literally had a perfect 1 timer go off the shaft of a stick against Florida as well crossbar shot against Detroit.

Quinn, unlike Cozens, whom does occasionally show some flashes of the Cozens we loved seems like he’s an entirely different player altogether. 

[LGR4GM]

4 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

I think you’re trying to co-op the fact Quinn having a bad start to the season to validate your opinion on his play the past 2 seasons and frankly I think you’re mostly incorrect.

The problem I see with Quinn this year isn’t that he’s getting bullied or is Olofsson 2.0 but rather the fact he seems to have completely lost most of what made him such a great player last year. His passing is inaccurate and dangerous, he’s not shooting from prime locations, his defensive positioning (which was pretty solid with defensively suspect teams) has suddenly vacated the premises and most noticeably his speed seems to be locked behind a lead door. He’s utterly perplexing in a way that leaves me feeling confused. 

Cozens you can very easily spot specific issues which seemed to come forth, in mass, after his concussion and broken jaw last year in combination with the puck luck of a black cat walking under a ladder while mirrors fall around it. The guy quite literally had a perfect 1 timer go off the shaft of a stick against Florida as well crossbar shot against Detroit.

Quinn, unlike Cozens, whom does occasionally show some flashes of the Cozens we loved seems like he’s an entirely different player altogether. 

That's exactly what's happening. He's doesn't like Quinn because he's not 6'4" and hits everything and so has invented a fictitious version and claims it's how he's always played. 

[LGR4GM]

Quinn has 2 problems he didn't have up until now,

1. he's not moving his feet and doing everything at a glide. 

2. he's totally scared of contact and plays a perimeter game

He had neither problem the last 2 years. He was very good at leverage and initiating contact. He was good at finding space. Most importantly he moved his feet. Guy has no confidence right now and is playing scared. 

[LGR4GM]

13 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

No, and if you'd paid attention to what I'd said back then instead of mocking it I told you there were flaws in his game that  needed work. That's why going in to this season I said it was a question mark and I had to see what he was on the ice. Now you see it too. There's no question he has speed and skill like many young players and high draft picks but he needed to get stronger and he needed to learn to go into traffic (to put it in simplest terms). Lots of players can come in and score a bunch of goals. Doesn't mean it'll last or make them complete players. VO scored a ton of goals too. Quinn only succeeds in open ice games. So far. It's always possible Ruff can still fix him but he needs a lot of fixing. 

This is such a revisionist history and frankly you do it a lot. The very second a player who doesn't play hockey the way you want has even a bad shift, we know because you roll in with "told you!" Who's next on the list? Benson? Östlund? Thompson? Dahlin?

Quinn created his own space and was inside driven the last 2 years. 

To the bolded. Lol 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 

Edited October 31 by LGR4GM

[LGR4GM]

15 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Don't say "we". I got a lot of flack, laughter and eye rolls saying I just didn't see what you were all saying about Quinn. 

The line imo needs a really big physical presence on it to open up the ice for Cozens and Quinn and also create havoc in front so they can shoot more effectively and play bigger. I think Ruff sees it that way too which is why he wanted to try Aube-kubel with them. That's my only thought on sticking with it. If that doesn't work it won't work so he sits, but Kulich isn't ready to be a savior yet either. 

Because Quinn is sucking (and weak) we are most definitely one winger short from being a much better team.

And this is what it all comes back to. It's why you gravitate so hard to Tuch even though he doesn't play a very heavy game. Quinn needs to skate and think less. He had no confidence and doesn't look like he's got the cardio needed right now. He doesn't need someone else to open ice for him, if he does, he's a bottom 6 forward which isn't how he's played up until now. 

[JP51]

On 10/29/2024 at 5:01 PM, GASabresIUFAN said:

To bad KA traded away a center for the failing Byram and then didn't get a top 6 center to replace Mitts as most of this board wanted.  

He is clueless in epic proportion agreed

[LTS]

On 10/30/2024 at 9:32 AM, nfreeman said:

I agree with all of this except the part about NAK -- I think a guy in his situation is pretty happy about getting a shot with a "higher" slotted line -- kinda like a promotion.

 

Whoa.  He's a young player who has shown great potential but who is off to a slow start.  It would be insane to trade him at this point.

It really depends on the return doesn't it?  The Sabres need to win now and they need players who can help them win now. What Quinn may have the ability to accomplish can be factored into his trade value.

I want him to be very good, but I also want the team to win.. now.  Can the Sabres afford to have yet another young player still trying to figure it out?  Cozens is trying to figure it out still.  Benson will add more to the lineup. Kulich seems to be better.  Quinn is falling and he needs to step it up, or they need to move him.

I would only be insane to move him for a player that doesn't help the team win.

[PerreaultForever]

13 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

I think you’re trying to co-op the fact Quinn having a bad start to the season to validate your opinion on his play the past 2 seasons and frankly I think you’re mostly incorrect.

The problem I see with Quinn this year isn’t that he’s getting bullied or is Olofsson 2.0 but rather the fact he seems to have completely lost most of what made him such a great player last year. His passing is inaccurate and dangerous, he’s not shooting from prime locations, his defensive positioning (which was pretty solid with defensively suspect teams) has suddenly vacated the premises and most noticeably his speed seems to be locked behind a lead door. He’s utterly perplexing in a way that leaves me feeling confused. 

Cozens you can very easily spot specific issues which seemed to come forth, in mass, after his concussion and broken jaw last year in combination with the puck luck of a black cat walking under a ladder while mirrors fall around it. The guy quite literally had a perfect 1 timer go off the shaft of a stick against Florida as well crossbar shot against Detroit.

Quinn, unlike Cozens, whom does occasionally show some flashes of the Cozens we loved seems like he’s an entirely different player altogether. 

Well I don't really want to keeping beating this to death, but the things you are talking about are not new to me. I saw those things in Quinn's game before. They were tendencies and, although his play was inconsistent and sometimes better (sometimes worse), those issues are not suddenly new. I think you and others just missed seeing them because he'd pop in a goal or two or make a nice shot when he had open ice or was set up well, His skill blinded you to the detailed flaws. 

He's struggling with the more detailed and disciplined play Ruff demands. It's just that simple. To me he's a perfect example of why we do Rochester wrong. Down there they should be playing a tight defensively oriented 2 way style that stresses defense and details so that when they come up they are ready to have their skill unleashed and the good habits are ingrained. We always do it backwards and say be free, run wild, we will teach you defense later. Ruff is now teaching "later" and a few of them are confused so to speak. 

[PerreaultForever]

8 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

This is such a revisionist history and frankly you do it a lot. The very second a player who doesn't play hockey the way you want has even a bad shift, we know because you roll in with "told you!" Who's next on the list? Benson? Östlund? Thompson? Dahlin?

Quinn created his own space and was inside driven the last 2 years. 

To the bolded. Lol 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 

Unlike you I can admit I am wrong when I am. You'll never admit when I was right though, that's obvious. This is tiresome, you just won't admit that this time you were wrong about Quinn when we "argued" before. So whatever. I hope Ruff can fix him eventually.