It's past time, bench Jack Quinn

[mjd1001]

Quinn has played 9 games this year vs 27 last year, so 1/3 the games.  

But look at the 2 screenshots of where he is getting his shots from. He thrived last year shooting from the center of the ice.  This year, in 9 games, he has ONE shot from the center of the ice in front of the goalie, compared to 24 (not even counting the wrap arounds form behind the net, he hasn't had one attempt, or the one from near the blue line.)

So, on a per-game basis, he would have 8 shots from between the circles if he was getting chances like last year though 9 games. This year....1.

 

 

[Taro T]

25 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Quinn has played 9 games this year vs 27 last year, so 1/3 the games.  

But look at the 2 screenshots of where he is getting his shots from. He thrived last year shooting from the center of the ice.  This year, in 9 games, he has ONE shot from the center of the ice in front of the goalie, compared to 24 (not even counting the wrap arounds form behind the net, he hasn't had one attempt, or the one from near the blue line.)

So, on a per-game basis, he would have 8 shots from between the circles if he was getting chances like last year though 9 games. This year....1.

 

 

And that one shot he got off from in front, he was pretty well tied up and the shot didn't end up with much on it.

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

What in fresh hell happened to my favourite player?

I have not been able to watch much of the team so far this season.

What an absolute bummer, though.

For those asking for an assignment to Roch, I presume that can't happen without exposing him to waivers. In which case, it is not happening.

For those suggesting he be traded, that is folly. Given what they know the young man has in him, it would be asinine to trade him when his value is so low.

I bolded the question on sending Quinn to Rochester.  It’s not gonna happen, he will get claimed immediately.  

I too do not see him being traded this early in a season.   He will probably sit for a while, work on things, and then come back better.  

[Porous Five Hole]

The Sabres might be in trouble here.  They banked too much of their offseason on Quinn progressing to be a bonafide top six forward and he’s not close right now.  
 

They need to make a hockey trade for a top six forward.  Using Kulich as a “threat” to play better or get scratched is not a viable option for a team who is “on notice” to make the playoffs.  
 

GMKA’s job may depend on this player.  If that’s true, he needs to make a move for a top six forward and overpay if he has to. 

27 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I too do not see him being traded this early in a season.   He will probably sit for a while, work on things, and then come back better.  

I don’t think Quinn gets traded, but this team may need to make a trade RE: this post 

[bob_sauve28]

He is a hugely talented player and for what ever reason it isn't showing now. Something needs to change, but it should be with the aim of of him finding his game. 

[That Aud Smell]

JACK QUINN WILL BE FINE.

(Please be fine, Jack Quinn.)

[nfreeman]

On 10/29/2024 at 9:16 AM, Taro T said:

Quinn is absolutely struggling right now.  Said a few days ago that expect it's in large part due to not fully understanding what he needs to be doing now that for the 1st time in his professional career he has a coach that expects him to play within a structure and he's thinking out on the ice which you absolutely can't do with the speed of the game at this level.  Sitting in the press box 2-3 games with one of the coaches right next to him explaining what's going on and what he should be doing were he the one on the ice will do wonders for his play.

It also wouldn't hurt to get him away from Cozens for a few games, but with the other 3 lines all working, that's pretty much an impossibility rihgt now.  Have advocated for putting Peterka onto that line when Benson is healthy as the expectation is that he'll get more production out of those 2 than the top line production will diminish.

Had Quinn not gotten the ENG against Detroit, expect he would've gone to the press box rather than Kulich.  But, when a guy that isn't getting it finally does something good, it's really not the right time to make a move that could be interpreted as a punishment.  (Sending him to the PB isn't a punishment, it's part of him learning what he needs to be doing; but the timing would've been awful to send him where he should be.)

And if you're Aube-Kubel what's going through your mind when you're told you're finally healthy enough to be in the lineup but instead of being with your normal line that you have chemistry with, you're going to be out there with the guy that needs an empty net to score on and the guy that can't even do that right now.  Thanks, Coach.  😉 

I agree with all of this except the part about NAK -- I think a guy in his situation is pretty happy about getting a shot with a "higher" slotted line -- kinda like a promotion.

 

22 hours ago, LTS said:

Yeah, it might be personal lives, but it doesn't matter. They get paid a salary to produce at their jobs and they are not. Quinn is a joke on the ice and deserves to be in scratched and/or traded. Frankly I'd prefer if him and Cozens were taken out of the line-up. I don't care how potentially good Cozens is right now, he's still not doing anything. He makes really stupid plays and he's lost on the defensive zone. He was lost last year and the year before.

You can't have a "second" line that sucks this bad. You just cannot. If the Sabres want to talk about winning, they need to take the steps to win.

Whoa.  He's a young player who has shown great potential but who is off to a slow start.  It would be insane to trade him at this point.

[JP51]

23 hours ago, Jorcus said:

It's the lack of aggression that bothers me the most. He is not hard on pucks or opposing players. That is not a system problem that is a Quinn problem. He seems to be waiting for others to do the work and feed him a puck. To some extent I have always felt he was a little bit like that but not to this degree.

Agreed, its the Sabre way.... those are the players we have valued over the years... high skill underperforming figure skaters... the system has just morphed him into that player.... I am sure Lindy is trying to change that... but the spots of the players and their underlying traits are not gonna change... the team needs an entire overhaul and rebuild from the GM/Ownership level down to the zamboni driver...  again.... 

[That Aud Smell]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:31 AM, Jorcus said:

It's the lack of aggression that bothers me the most. He is not hard on pucks or opposing players. That is not a system problem that is a Quinn problem. He seems to be waiting for others to do the work and feed him a puck. To some extent I have always felt he was a little bit like that but not to this degree.

In athletics, especially contact sports, thinking too much and lacking confidence will look like a lack of effort.

I very much disagree that Quinn's game prior to this season hinted at a problem with playing a soft game.

It's the coaches' responsibility -- but mostly Quinn's job -- to get this sorted out.

[jad1]

18 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Quinn has played 9 games this year vs 27 last year, so 1/3 the games.  

But look at the 2 screenshots of where he is getting his shots from. He thrived last year shooting from the center of the ice.  This year, in 9 games, he has ONE shot from the center of the ice in front of the goalie, compared to 24 (not even counting the wrap arounds form behind the net, he hasn't had one attempt, or the one from near the blue line.)

So, on a per-game basis, he would have 8 shots from between the circles if he was getting chances like last year though 9 games. This year....1.

 

 

In other words, he's turned into Ville Leino.

[Stoner]

Soon it will be a pasttime.

Holy fickleness. This dude was the saviour two minutes ago.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, Stoner said:

Soon it will be a pasttime.

Holy fickleness. This dude was the saviour two minutes ago.

We set them up high so the harder they fall.

[LGR4GM]

24 minutes ago, Weave said:

We set them up high so the harder they fall.

Or he was good last year and we expected him to be good this year... or that. You know not what you said but the real reason. 

[PerreaultForever]

Don't say "we". I got a lot of flack, laughter and eye rolls saying I just didn't see what you were all saying about Quinn. 

The line imo needs a really big physical presence on it to open up the ice for Cozens and Quinn and also create havoc in front so they can shoot more effectively and play bigger. I think Ruff sees it that way too which is why he wanted to try Aube-kubel with them. That's my only thought on sticking with it. If that doesn't work it won't work so he sits, but Kulich isn't ready to be a savior yet either. 

Because Quinn is sucking (and weak) we are most definitely one winger short from being a much better team.