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21 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

There are some people that...how can I say this....I do not want to say root for losses, but they aren't all that happy with wins because the team isn't doing it the way THEY want it to be done. 

Some people have made up their mind that Kevin Adams is awful and needs to be gone and so does Ruff...and if they win, that won't happen.  Same goes with players like Tage (not a top center, its a mirage), Dahlin (WAY overrated), Power (needs to be traded now).  Either the team turns into a cup contender right now for those fan,s or it needs to be broken down.

Again, I do not want to say some fans, some board members even, are openly rooting for this team to lose.  But we have seen where sometimes we get a narrative in our own head that we want the team run differently, and these 'nagging wins' are causing the changes we want to be made to not be made soon enough.

If there are people like that, you'll see....they won't say much during a win, but even after a winning streak the team will have that first bad game and they'll be back here to say "everything is awful"  "**** is a bum" and "I told you so"

Well put. As they say “Some people aren’t happy unless they’re miserable”. That, and for some people, being pessimistic is a defense mechanism where they can either enjoy the win or enjoy being able to say “I told you they suck and wouldn’t win”. 

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6 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

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  I agree with almost of this except Cozens.  Maybe I’m looking for his faults.  I just don’t see too many positives. Missing an ENG, not finishing multiple checks, losing face offs at a furious rate, more shots to the pads, etc.  Corsi numbers were OK but again Ruff played McLeod and third line more in 5v5 than Cozens and the second line.  

I’m not entirely defending Cozens, but, he is playing with a winger who is struggling more than he is and with a 20 yr old rookie. We were protecting a lead through the 2nd half of the game. McLeod is playing well and is playing with two defensively responsible vets. So, not at all surprising that with us leading a close game, McLeod would get more 5v5 time. 
 

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Great game, but can they be consistent. That has been this teams problem. They have a great game then lay a stinker. I am starting to love the Bottom 6 and they are playing great. Not too worried about the Cozens line. There is too much talent there for them to not do better. Although, Cozens and Quinn i think were carried by great JJ play last year. Still think Cozens, Quinn and Benson will find their scoring touch soon. 

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9 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Power is too affable... Linde needs find a way to get that sleeping giant pissed off and then play that way.

I understand why you have reservations about Power and his style of play. He's not a banger, and never will be. However, that doesn't mean that he isn't or won't be an impact player for us. He's a big guy who can skate and has steadily shown that his hockey acumen is very good. It usually takes defenseman, especially tall and lanky players, more time to develop. Hedman and Chara are examples of that. I'm very confident that Power still has a lot of untapped potential and with experience become not only an anchor defenseman for us, but also one of the better defensemen in the league. 

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1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

If there are people like that, you'll see....they won't say much during a win, but even after a winning streak the team will have that first bad game and they'll be back here to say "everything is awful"  "**** is a bum" and "I told you so"

lol - you don't have to wait for a loss ... take a quick scroll through this thread and you will see that we were up 2-0 and really taking it to a superior team and there were some "this guys sucks!" remarks after one bad (or not even that bad) play.

It is like some people forget that the other teams are also full of very highly skilled professional athletes being paid to try to win.

I remember in the Kings game last year, Doughty sailed a pass right across the crease that was picked off by the Sabres and went right to the back of the net - he must suck!

Pronger, Stevens, and Chara have all gotten knocked down in the corners - what marshmallows!!! Far too ... affable? Was that on someone's word-a-day calendar?

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1 hour ago, Slack_in_MA said:

Well put. As they say “Some people aren’t happy unless they’re miserable”. That, and for some people, being pessimistic is a defense mechanism where they can either enjoy the win or enjoy being able to say “I told you they suck and wouldn’t win”. 

I have a cousin who is a really good friend who is/was like that. I don't think he is on this forum, so I can say this without him knowing about it....For years, when we were little kids everything was negative:  "The Bills will NEVER be a top team"  "Kelly is OK but hes no where close to Elway/Marino".  "The Sabres got LaFontaine and Mogilny but they aren't going to last here"

IT was non stop, all the time. And the teams he DID like was whoever was good.  He liked the Cowboys when they were on the superbowl run. The Yankees became his favorite team in the late 90's and early 2000's.  He was a USC football fan in the days of Leinhart/Bush, but then in the last decade all of a sudden he "always liked Alabama". But when it came to Buffalo sports...he always 'bet the under' always was negative.

I think what you are saying, its kinda like the way my cousin is. The good thing is, after all these  years he is less and less like that.  Now when he watches the Bills and Sabes, its less about 'mentally protecting himself from they losing' and more about just having fun watching the game, win or lose.

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52 minutes ago, Doohicksie said:

Quinn and Benson will both be fine.  But let them fight for and earn their ice time.

I think Benson is fine, in terms of play, they just want him healthy. Basically they are trying to get him healed up while they can. 

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59 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

There are some people that...how can I say this....I do not want to say root for losses, but they aren't all that happy with wins because the team isn't doing it the way THEY want it to be done. 

Some people have made up their mind that Kevin Adams is awful and needs to be gone and so does Ruff...and if they win, that won't happen.  Same goes with players like Tage (not a top center, its a mirage), Dahlin (WAY overrated), Power (needs to be traded now).  Either the team turns into a cup contender right now for those fan,s or it needs to be broken down.

Again, I do not want to say some fans, some board members even, are openly rooting for this team to lose.  But we have seen where sometimes we get a narrative in our own head that we want the team run differently, and these 'nagging wins' are causing the changes we want to be made to not be made soon enough.

If there are people like that, you'll see....they won't say much during a win, but even after a winning streak the team will have that first bad game and they'll be back here to say "everything is awful"  "**** is a bum" and "I told you so"

This is absolute bologna. 
 

Some people have made up their mind that Kevin Adams is awful—It’s his fifth year in charge, after not having made the playoffs the previous four. People should have an opinion of him. The stats back up a negative opinion. 

and so does Ruff—I don’t think I’ve seen anyone call for Ruff’s firing. I’ve seen people question the hiring and hiring process, and I’ve seen people pushback on some of the over the top things people say positively about Lindy Ruff.  
 

Same goes with players like Tage (not a top center, it’s a mirage), Dahlin (WAY overrated), Power (needs to be traded now).—Tage was not a top center last year or three years before that. He started flat. There’s nothing wrong with questioning where he ranks. This is a message board after all. The professional consensus has him not as a top 15 center either. There are two groups of people on this board regarding Dahlin. The first see him as a Norris Candidate. The second wants him as a Norris Candidate but doesn’t think he’s been one. So yeah, there’s debate in if he’s overrated and if you’re calling a guy Norris level and he’s not, that would make him WAY overrated. The majority of the board has been up on Power this season. Defense typically takes longer to excel at in the pro level than offense, and as a number 1 pick on a team that hasn’t made the playoffs, that’s worked against Owen. He also has very high trade value. If you think moves need to be made, he’s a great piece. But I don’t think I’ve seen any real calls to trade him. 

Either the team turns into a cup contender right now for those fan,s or it needs to be broken down.—Again, not true. It’s Kevyn’s fifth year. If he doesn’t make the playoffs he needs to go. That’s how things work. It’s supposed to be a performance based league. Also, it was the organization that said the goal is to be a cup contender, not to simply make the playoffs. I don’t know of any fan who doesn’t just want to get in at this point. 

But we have seen where sometimes we get a narrative in our own head that we want the team run differently—People should want the team run in a way that makes the playoffs. If this team doesn’t make it, it should be run differently. This isn’t outlandish to say. 

and these 'nagging wins' are causing the changes we want to be made to not be made soon enough.—last night wasn’t a nagging win. Fans have been saying we need to grind out wins (and overtime losses) since Lindy’s last stint as head coach. Last night was a great performance, as evident in the overall conversation during the game. 

If there are people like that, you'll see....they won't say much during a win, but even after a winning streak the team will have that first bad game and they'll be back here to say "everything is awful"  "**** is a bum" and "I told you so"—this is exactly what you’re doing RIGHT NOW, only in the flip side. If the Sabres ***** the bed Saturday, you can guarantee the same criticism will be leveled because the same problem will be evident.

People have been making BS posts like this calling fans ***** for years and it’s complete nonsense. Everyone here wants the Sabres to be good. Everyone here wants the Sabres to be in the playoffs. There is no fan that is better or that is worse. More than 75% of the board said we would make the playoffs before the season started. Year after year with the bad fan ***** gets so old. 

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10 minutes ago, ska-T Chitown said:

lol - you don't have to wait for a loss ... take a quick scroll through this thread and you will see that we were up 2-0 and really taking it to a superior team and there were some "this guys sucks!" remarks after one bad (or not even that bad) play.

It is like some people forget that the other teams are also full of very highly skilled professional athletes being paid to try to win.

I remember in the Kings game last year, Doughty sailed a pass right across the crease that was picked off by the Sabres and went right to the back of the net - he must suck!

Pronger, Stevens, and Chara have all gotten knocked down in the corners - what marshmallows!!! Far too ... affable? Was that on someone's word-a-day calendar?

You make a terrific point in that sometimes we fail to consider that the other teams have comparable, or often more talent, when judging the performances of our own players. Most fair-minded people would acknowledge that Dallas is a superior team that also has an upper tier goalie. In this game, I thought we played even, or slightly outplayed them. This was not only a good win but also a good measuring stick game that indicates that this team can compete with the best teams in the league.  

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43 minutes ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Great game, but can they be consistent. That has been this teams problem. They have a great game then lay a stinker. I am starting to love the Bottom 6 and they are playing great. Not too worried about the Cozens line. There is too much talent there for them to not do better. Although, Cozens and Quinn i think were carried by great JJ play last year. Still think Cozens, Quinn and Benson will find their scoring touch soon. 

Not really. JJ was put on the Tage/Tuch line for most of the end of last year leaving Benson-Cozens-Quinn as the 2nd line. 

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11 hours ago, Sabres73 said:

I can't believe I'm scoreboard watching on Oct 22. 

We can’t either. 😂 At this point in the season, just enjoy the hockey.

9 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Just so disappointed in Quinn right now. He doesn't even look like a shell of his former self, just no confidence at all. Really hope he gets going because whatever this is, ain't working. 

He’s still a puppy. I actually see too much confidence and he is trying to do too much. Right now, he reminds me of Tage before he moved to center when was trying to stick handle through three guys instead of just making the smart play.

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2 minutes ago, #freejame said:

This is absolute bologna. 
 

Some people have made up their mind that Kevin Adams is awful—It’s his fifth year in charge, after not having made the playoffs the previous four. People should have an opinion of him. The stats back up a negative opinion. 

and so does Ruff—I don’t think I’ve seen anyone call for Ruff’s firing. I’ve seen people question the hiring and hiring process, and I’ve seen people pushback on some of the over the top things people say positively about Lindy Ruff.  
 

Same goes with players like Tage (not a top center, it’s a mirage), Dahlin (WAY overrated), Power (needs to be traded now).—Tage was not a top center last year or three years before that. He started flat. There’s nothing wrong with questioning where he ranks. This is a message board after all. The professional consensus has him not as a top 15 center either. There are two groups of people on this board regarding Dahlin. The first see him as a Norris Candidate. The second wants him as a Norris Candidate but doesn’t think he’s been one. So yeah, there’s debate in if he’s overrated and if you’re calling a guy Norris level and he’s not, that would make him WAY overrated. The majority of the board has been up on Power this season. Defense typically takes longer to excel at in the pro level than offense, and as a number 1 pick on a team that hasn’t made the playoffs, that’s worked against Owen. He also has very high trade value. If you think moves need to be made, he’s a great piece. But I don’t think I’ve seen any real calls to trade him. 

Either the team turns into a cup contender right now for those fan,s or it needs to be broken down.—Again, not true. It’s Kevyn’s fifth year. If he doesn’t make the playoffs he needs to go. That’s how things work. It’s supposed to be a performance based league. Also, it was the organization that said the goal is to be a cup contender, not to simply make the playoffs. I don’t know of any fan who doesn’t just want to get in at this point. 

But we have seen where sometimes we get a narrative in our own head that we want the team run differently—People should want the team run in a way that makes the playoffs. If this team doesn’t make it, it should be run differently. This isn’t outlandish to say. 

and these 'nagging wins' are causing the changes we want to be made to not be made soon enough.—last night wasn’t a nagging win. Fans have been saying we need to grind out wins (and overtime losses) since Lindy’s last stint as head coach. Last night was a great performance, as evident in the overall conversation during the game. 

If there are people like that, you'll see....they won't say much during a win, but even after a winning streak the team will have that first bad game and they'll be back here to say "everything is awful"  "**** is a bum" and "I told you so"—this is exactly what you’re doing RIGHT NOW, only in the flip side. If the Sabres ***** the bed Saturday, you can guarantee the same criticism will be leveled because the same problem will be evident.

People have been making BS posts like this calling fans ***** for years and it’s complete nonsense. Everyone here wants the Sabres to be good. Everyone here wants the Sabres to be in the playoffs. There is no fan that is better or that is worse. More than 75% of the board said we would make the playoffs before the season started. Year after year with the bad fan ***** gets so old. 

A lot of what you are saying is just not true.

-I have seen alot of posts in the GDT's when the Sabres are down where people are negative about Ruff...he doesn't have it anymore..it was a bad hire (not the hiring process was bad, but it was a bad hire, etc. So yeah, you are wrong there.

-The team needing to be broken down/rebuilt? You are wrong again. Look back through the gameday threads, just as above, they get down by a goal or two and there certainly ARE people calling for that in posts.

-You say that is not outlandish to say the team shouldn't be run differently? I never said it is outlandish. All I said is it is an example to support the point that some of us where making and guess what, IT DOES. It may not be outlandish, but it still supports the main point.

-You don't get context at all. I never said last night was a 'nagging win'. My point is to the people I am describing, when they want change, and YES, there are people that want change at all costs, 'wins' get in the way of that.  Context, I am using the word 'nagging' to refer to them being in the way of what some people want.  And again, read through all the GDT's, anytime they are losing there are posts, after posts, after posts supporting this, no matter how much you may want to ignroe them, they are there.

So BS LOL, your post is laughable. Its not "nonesense" it happens. Maybe you took offense to the post because it hits home too hard with you?  By your response it sure seems like it. I guess when people DO call out something you disagree with, it must sure get so old. Too bad, as I said, look through the posts, look through the gameday threads, ITS THERE.

 

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I really hope the Sabres keep up this level of play. I really want them to be good. Watching good hockey is just so much more fun than watching bad hockey.

 

Plus, I really need this I’m a better fan than you BS to stop.

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5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

A lot of what you are saying is just not true.

-I have seen alot of posts in the GDT's when the Sabres are down where people are negative about Ruff...he doesn't have it anymore..it was a bad hire (not the hiring process was bad, but it was a bad hire, etc. So yeah, you are wrong there.

-The team needing to be broken down/rebuilt? You are wrong again. Look back through the gameday threads, just as above, they get down by a goal or two and there certainly ARE people calling for that in posts.

-You say that is not outlandish to say the team shouldn't be run differently? I never said it is outlandish. All I said is it is an example to support the point that some of us where making and guess what, IT DOES. It may not be outlandish, but it still supports the main point.

-You don't get context at all. I never said last night was a 'nagging win'. My point is to the people I am describing, when they want change, and YES, there are people that want change at all costs, 'wins' get in the way of that.  Context, I am using the word 'nagging' to refer to them being in the way of what some people want.  And again, read through all the GDT's, anytime they are losing there are posts, after posts, after posts supporting this, no matter how much you may want to ignroe them, they are there.

So BS LOL, your post is laughable. Its not "nonesense" it happens. Maybe you took offense to the post because it hits home too hard with you?  By your response it sure seems like it. I guess when people DO call out something you disagree with, it must sure get so old. Too bad, as I said, look through the posts, look through the gameday threads, ITS THERE.

 

I literally copied and pasted your own words and now you’re saying you said something else over and over lol 

-I have seen alot of posts in the GDT's when the Sabres are down where people are negative about Ruff...he doesn't have it anymore..it was a bad hire (not the hiring process was bad, but it was a bad hire, etc. So yeah, you are wrong there.—Your initial post said you’ve seen people saying Ruff needs to go. I responded saying that’s not true, but people are leveling criticism at him and the hire. Your response is saying the same thing I just said.

-The team needing to be broken down/rebuilt? You are wrong again. Look back through the gameday threads, just as above, they get down by a goal or two and there certainly ARE people calling for that in posts.—What am I wrong about? That some fans want to make changes from Kevyn Adams because he’s on year five of not making the playoffs? You lost me. 

-You say that is not outlandish to say the team shouldn't be run differently? I never said it is outlandish. All I said is it is an example to support the point that some of us where making and guess what, IT DOES. It may not be outlandish, but it still supports the main point.—what are you even saying here? What I said was “People should want the team run in a way that makes the playoffs. If this team doesn’t make it, it should be run differently. This isn’t outlandish to say.” I didn’t say you said anything lol.

-You don't get context at all. I never said last night was a 'nagging win'.—your words were literally “and these nagging wins” in a GDT after a win. 

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Just now, SwampD said:

Plus, I really need this I’m a better fan than you BS to stop.

Yes!!! The fans who are critical after this 13 year tire fire, have a more valid case, than the superfan everything is wonderful, golly gee, sunshine & lollipop fans. 

Sell the team!!!!

 

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I was there last night.

They played very good team defense, and helped UPL a lot.

The new scoreboard is great. The corners now show the ice time for whomever is currently out on the ice, (both teams) which I think is really clever.

 

And get this: The store was selling authentic Dahlin jerseys, (all three colors) at 40% off, simply because it had an 'A' on it, as opposed to a 'C'.

We each bought one, lol.

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2 minutes ago, Phil Goyette said:

I was there last night.

They played very good team defense, and helped UPL a lot.

The new scoreboard is great. The corners now show the ice time for whomever is currently out on the ice, (both teams) which I think is really clever.

 

And get this: The store was selling authentic Dahlin jerseys, (all three colors) at 40% off, simply because it had an 'A' on it, as opposed to a 'C'.

We each bought one, lol.

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Glad you got to go to a good game. It sounded pretty loud considering how few people were there. The fanbase is hungry, that’s for sure. 

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3 minutes ago, Phil Goyette said:

I was there last night.

They played very good team defense, and helped UPL a lot.

The new scoreboard is great. The corners now show the ice time for whomever is currently out on the ice, (both teams) which I think is really clever.

 

And get this: The store was selling authentic Dahlin jerseys, (all three colors) at 40% off, simply because it had an 'A' on it, as opposed to a 'C'.

We each bought one, lol.

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Absolutely! That shift time thing is great.

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15 minutes ago, #freejame said:

I literally copied and pasted your own words and now you’re saying you said something else over and over lol 

-I have seen alot of posts in the GDT's when the Sabres are down where people are negative about Ruff...he doesn't have it anymore..it was a bad hire (not the hiring process was bad, but it was a bad hire, etc. So yeah, you are wrong there.—Your initial post said you’ve seen people saying Ruff needs to go. I responded saying that’s not true, but people are leveling criticism at him and the hire. Your response is saying the same thing I just said.

-The team needing to be broken down/rebuilt? You are wrong again. Look back through the gameday threads, just as above, they get down by a goal or two and there certainly ARE people calling for that in posts.—What am I wrong about? That some fans want to make changes from Kevyn Adams because he’s on year five of not making the playoffs? You lost me. 

-You say that is not outlandish to say the team shouldn't be run differently? I never said it is outlandish. All I said is it is an example to support the point that some of us where making and guess what, IT DOES. It may not be outlandish, but it still supports the main point.—what are you even saying here? What I said was “People should want the team run in a way that makes the playoffs. If this team doesn’t make it, it should be run differently. This isn’t outlandish to say.” I didn’t say you said anything lol.

-You don't get context at all. I never said last night was a 'nagging win'.—your words were literally “and these nagging wins” in a GDT after a win. 

Nagging wins in 'quotes', single quotes, not double quotes. So, use context, the way I wrote that and with context around it, it was a characterization of me not saying others are LITERALLY saying it, but its the characterization of an exact word to describe how the person I am referring to would view them.

Ruff needs to go. yep, you are wrong saying I am wrong. Again there, context. its the opposite of what is listed above. I didn't "quote" anyone saying those exact words, I am saying the negative posts about him, there are a LOT of them, instead of me looking them up and quoting them individually I am putting those thoughts into one single thought of my own I am posting.

If you don't understand the 3rd thing I said, that is on you, not on me. it is apparent you don't understand a large part of my post, so yeah, I'll just let that one slide.

I get it, you get triggered by things. As another post above about a cousin I have, he's the same way.  Sometimes a person can say things in general that have truth to them and others THINK it is about them and they take offense and attack back. Its OK, it happens. lol

See, here is the OVERALL thing.  There are some of us that are positive MOST of the time. You know what happens when we post positive things? we get attacked by the people who are negative. I don't mean disagreed with, I mean gone after, I mean posts directed at us with a lot of emotional ***** in there so the person responding to us really REALLY lets us know what they think of our posts.  But for some of us, this is entertainment. We want to see the team win, but if they don't, we don't need to see people get fired.  My original post, the one that set you off apparently, is a post saying that some of us think the negative people "get tiring", just like you said my post stating that was tiring, or something like that.  To me the most interesting thing is...how some people react, how some seemingly get triggered when post is made and someone needs to react in such a harsh, negative way.

Oh yeah, and sometimes my posts may have grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes, even some words may not come out exactly the way I intend but I would expect most members (most do) to use context to figure out what I am saying, as I do with other posts I read. You know why? sometimes I post on my phone, and things like talk to text, autocorrect, they don't always work well. So, if you want to take apart my posts 'word for word', go head, there will be mistakes there on occasion. My original post, the one that triggered you, I was speaking in general thruths that apparently a lot of other pepole "got" when they responded to me in a positive way or agreed with my posts. 

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9 minutes ago, Phil Goyette said:

I was there last night.

They played very good team defense, and helped UPL a lot.

The new scoreboard is great. The corners now show the ice time for whomever is currently out on the ice, (both teams) which I think is really clever.

 

And get this: The store was selling authentic Dahlin jerseys, (all three colors) at 40% off, simply because it had an 'A' on it, as opposed to a 'C'.

We each bought one, lol.

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Those jerseys must have an adidas logo on them, right?

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1 hour ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Great game, but can they be consistent. That has been this teams problem. They have a great game then lay a stinker. I am starting to love the Bottom 6 and they are playing great. Not too worried about the Cozens line. There is too much talent there for them to not do better. Although, Cozens and Quinn i think were carried by great JJ play last year. Still think Cozens, Quinn and Benson will find their scoring touch soon. 

They laid three stinkers to start the season and have gone 3-1-1 since then.  For a team going to a new system, the slow start was to be expected.

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2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Nagging wins in 'quotes', single quotes, not double quotes. So, use context, the way I wrote that and with context around it, it was a characterization of me not saying others are LITERALLY saying it, but its the characterization of an exact word to describe how the person I am referring to would view them.

Ruff needs to go. yep, you are wrong saying I am wrong. Again there, context. its the opposite of what is listed above. I didn't "quote" anyone saying those exact words, I am saying the negative posts about him, there are a LOT of them, instead of me looking them up and quoting them individually I am putting those thoughts into one single thought of my own I am posting.

If you don't understand the 3rd thing I said, that is on you, not on me. it is apparent you don't understand a large part of my post, so yeah, I'll just let that one slide.

I get it, you get triggered by things. As another post above about a cousin I have, he's the same way.  Sometimes a person can say things in general that have truth to them and others THINK it is about them and they take offense and attack back. Its OK, it happens. lol

I think it’s very clear that both our understanding of hockey and the English language are in two different places so I’m just going to move on from this conversation. My God help your reading comprehension. 

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