Getting rid of scorers for guys who "play the right way"

[JoeSchmoe]

3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Yes.  Peterka is his replacement on the first line. 
 

Is Benson a better replacement for Peterka on the 2nd line is the real question.  

Wouldn't one of the 3rd liners be his actual replacement? Olofsson two years ago with 28 goals is better than all of them.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Wouldn't one of the 3rd liners be his actual replacement? Olofsson two years ago with 28 goals is better than all of them.

Lol stop.

[Pimlach]

10 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Wouldn't one of the 3rd liners be his actual replacement? Olofsson two years ago with 28 goals is better than all of them.

The actual replacement for Skinner is Peterka, and the replacement for Peterka is Benson.   The replacement for Benson on the 3rd line is probably Zucker.  If you want to play games compare Skinner and Zucker I guess?  
 

Saying that Olofsson (7 goals last year) is better than Peterka and Benson is a loss of credibility for you.  Is this the hill you want to die on?  
 

[JoeSchmoe]

32 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

The actual replacement for Skinner is Peterka, and the replacement for Peterka is Benson.   The replacement for Benson on the 3rd line is probably Zucker.  If you want to play games compare Skinner and Zucker I guess?  
 

Saying that Olofsson (7 goals last year) is better than Peterka and Benson is a loss of credibility for you.  Is this the hill you want to die on?  
 

Never said anything of the sorts... But by your logic the Vegas Golden Knights also lack credibility too. 

44 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Lol stop.

Tell that to Vegas.

[PerreaultForever]

In the Pegula era this team has never had a balanced roster in terms of either skill sets or a veteran/youth mix. There's no team chemistry on the ice and there's little continuity as the roster turns over constantly. They haven't drafted well, they don't have depth, and they are soft as can be. There is no winning culture here. They broke this franchise with the tank and they have never rebuilt it properly since. 

I said before if Ruff can't fix this it can't be fixed and that may very well be the case. You have to start over again and nobody wants that as they'd probably make all the same mistakes again and so it continues. 

[Crusader1969]

21 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Dude olofsson was awful

So was skinner 

[LGR4GM]

37 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Never said anything of the sorts... But by your logic the Vegas Golden Knights also lack credibility too. 

Tell that to Vegas.

Tell what to Vegas?

You've totally lost all credibility if in 2024 you're trying to argue losing olofsson is one of the reasons this team isn't good. Just, no. That's objectively false. Olofsson wasn't even a net positive when he did score 28goals which he will never do again. 

[JoeSchmoe]

16 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Tell what to Vegas?

You've totally lost all credibility if in 2024 you're trying to argue losing olofsson is one of the reasons this team isn't good. Just, no. That's objectively false. Olofsson wasn't even a net positive when he did score 28goals which he will never do again. 

Not good enough for us and our mega-drought.

Good enough for Vegas, two years removed from a cup.

[LGR4GM]

36 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Not good enough for us and our mega-drought.

Good enough for Vegas, two years removed from a cup.

So let me get this straight. You'd rather play olofsson over Benson, Peterka, Zucker, or Greenway? 

Holy *****. We've really fallen on terrible times. 

[Mr Peabody]

Cassidy turned Eichel into a solid two way center which he wasn’t in Buffalo.  No doubt being surrounded with solid vets and associated peer pressure had an impact also.  
 

Since KA ran it back with essentially the same top six how about bringing in a coach dedicated to working with Tage and Cozens?  Get Tage to improve  D and play making,  and let the goals come to him.   Teach him to use his frame rather than stick checking.  

Work on Dylan’s positional play and we’d get a lot stronger up the middle.  

[JoeSchmoe]

9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

So let me get this straight. You'd rather play olofsson over Benson, Peterka, Zucker, or Greenway? 

Holy *****. We've really fallen on terrible times. 

What do the Golden Knights know that you don't?

[LGR4GM]

26 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

What do the Golden Knights know that you don't?

That has a mediocre 3rd line winger and they have limited capspace?

[pastajoe]

4 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

They could have kept those guys and shored up the 4th line (maybe lose Olofsson just due to roster spots).

It didn't have to be one or the other. 

They would have just continued the same losing ways. They were not the solution.

[JoeSchmoe]

36 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

That has a mediocre 3rd line winger and they have limited capspace?

As opposed to our super elite 3rd line? 

I guess they didn't really know what they were doing when they took him over guys like Lafferty or Aube-Kubel- two guys that play the game the right way.

Edited October 19 by JoeSchmoe

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

As opposed to our super elite 3rd line? 

I guess they didn't really know what they were doing when they took him over guys like Lafferty or Aube-Kubel- two guys that play the game the right way.

What are you even on about? You want Olofsson on the 4th line now? 

This conversation is insane. You're arguing we'd be better with Olofsson... a guy who literally cannot play 5v5 nhl hockey well. 

[JoeSchmoe]

19 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

What are you even on about? You want Olofsson on the 4th line now? 

This conversation is insane. You're arguing we'd be better with Olofsson... a guy who literally cannot play 5v5 nhl hockey well. 

So you think Vegas was right out to lunch by signing him and his 50% 5 on 5 goal % from last year? 

I'm sure they'll hate him on the power play as well.

Edited October 19 by JoeSchmoe

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

So you think Vegas was right out to lunch by signing him and his 50% 5 on 5 goal % from last year? 

I'm sure they'll hate him on the power play as well.

Irrelevant. How does Olofsson help Buffalo? What Vegas did has no bearing. 

Also, what does this even mean? Are you quoting +/- and yea, I think his ***** 7g and 8a is too crappy for our bottom 6 when he brings nothing else. 

This is just dumb. You're arguing we should have re-signed olofsson because Vegas did. 

[JoeSchmoe]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Irrelevant. How does Olofsson help Buffalo? What Vegas did has no bearing. 

Also, what does this even mean? Are you quoting +/- and yea, I think his ***** 7g and 8a is too crappy for our bottom 6 when he brings nothing else. 

This is just dumb. You're arguing we should have re-signed olofsson because Vegas did. 

It means this team needs guys that can score. We got rid of three of them and brought in guys who "play the game the right way". 

Funny enough that all 3 guys that weren't good enough for us (and our drought) are now on teams that are some of the best in the league. All three have won a cup or been in the finals the last three years. 

Edited October 19 by JoeSchmoe

[Gatorman0519]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:28 PM, JoeSchmoe said:

This plan doesn't work.

Skinner, Mittelstadt, and Olofsson put pucks in nets. We had them... All we had to do was not buy them out, trade them, or ice them out on the bench. 

Mitts with a sick goal tonight. 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmoe said:

It means this team needs guys that can score. We got rid of three of them and brought in guys who "play the game the right way". 

Funny enough that all 3 guys that weren't good enough for us (and our drought) are now on teams that are some of the best in the league. All three have won a cup or been in the finals the last three years. 

I know where you are trying to dig, but you are wrong.  You are frustrated about the current state of the Sabres but where you are going is just wholly inaccurate.

Olofsson wasn't the answer.  if he was he would have been the answer here.  If he wasn't the answer here, and he wasn't. Then why? Because he didn't want to play here?  Because he needed the Knights roster make-up to be better?  Either way, he was the wrong player for the Sabres.

So arguing that him or the others were the answers is just a pure reach. None of them made the difference for the Sabres. That they have success elsewhere is not an indication they would have had success for the Sabres and unlike players who had never played for the Sabres, these players have.  They were part of this ridiculous drought and they did not solve the problem.

You want salvation in the what could have been and you want to believe it could have been but history says 100% that it never was, so stop looking there.

 

[Mango]

On 10/18/2024 at 12:30 AM, pi2000 said:

Mittlestadt is a -6 after 4 games and the Avs are 0-4. 

The Av’s have the worst goaltending in the league. Both goalies are .765 and .811. I’ve watched a few games and the team in front of the goalie has looked pretty good. 
 

[LGR4GM]

8 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

It means this team needs guys that can score. We got rid of three of them and brought in guys who "play the game the right way". 

Funny enough that all 3 guys that weren't good enough for us (and our drought) are now on teams that are some of the best in the league. All three have won a cup or been in the finals the last three years. 

My God this argument is just red herring bullshittery

Victor Olofsson does not make the Buffalo Sabres better. It's patently ridiculous to suggest otherwise. 

[JohnC]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:54 PM, LGR4GM said:

Dude olofsson was awful

Trading Mitts for Byram was not a smart move. The money saved from shedding Skinner allowed more financially flexibility for the GM to sign Mitts, a player who can play both wing and center. A line composed of Cozens/Mitts/Quinn would be more appealing than what we have now on the second line. I'm not knocking Byram as a player. From a talent standpoint, the Mitts and Byram deal was reasonable. However, from fitting together a roster, it set us back. Our GM is mediocre. He is a checkers player in a chess competition. He's simply overmatched. His record attests to that.  

[Night Train]

14 hours ago, SwampD said:

Was his replacement actually better, though?

A new chair in the press box ? 

[SwampD]

14 hours ago, Pimlach said:

The actual replacement for Skinner is Peterka, and the replacement for Peterka is Benson.   The replacement for Benson on the 3rd line is probably Zucker.  If you want to play games compare Skinner and Zucker I guess?  
 

Saying that Olofsson (7 goals last year) is better than Peterka and Benson is a loss of credibility for you.  Is this the hill you want to die on?  
 

If he played more, which I believe he should have, just for the atrocious PP alone, that seven would have been more. And it’s not like Benson’s 11 goals was a sea change for the team.

But again, this team is always thinking about the future and never the now. It was better to have an 18 YO playing for what it meant for the future than to have Olafsson play. I think Donnie sat him because he had to look like he was doing something,… anything. Just my opinion.