Would you be happy if Pegula sold the team?

[mjd1001]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/20/cnbc-official-nhl-team-valuations-2024.html

Toronto $4 Billon, Rangers$3.5b, Montreal $3.1b, Kings $2.85b, Bruins $2.75 most valuable teams.

Least Valuable?  Columbus at $1b.  Sabres are 3rd least valuable at $1.15

Top teams (top 4) all at over $300m in revenue per year. Buffalo listed at $169m in revenue. 

EBIDTA, 3 teams showed a loss (Columbus, Utah, San Jose).  Buffalo was a small positive there at $15.8m. Top teams all over $100m EBIDTA, Edmonton actually tops in the league at $156m

Sabres have one of the lowest debt ratios at 4%.

Edited yesterday at 01:55 PM by mjd1001

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, EM88 said:

Golisano is a good example.  Corporate ownership is another.  Look to the north to Toronto for how the Leafs are run, or the Raptors or Blue Jays.

They may not be good enough to win a championship. But that type of ownership does exist and it functions in a way to spend enough money to insure the team is good enough to make money. And dips or drawbacks in spending are very temporary.

 

It's a good point, I guess you could look at the Jacobs family as another example for Boston. On the negative side you have Montreal owned by the Molson Family. It's not like they don't fund the team or try, it just isn't working right now. The other thing is the corporate owners tend to be in the larger markets where they can co brand with what ever else they are doing. I don't know if there is that much corporate interest in small market teams, but of course everything will sell at a price.

[7+6=13]

5 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

The truth is never easy. 😂

That's not the wack part.  We've sucked is true.

Having the opinion that selling the team, even if it means them leaving Buffalo, is disgusting.  Try and keep up.  I shouldn't have to explain that to you and your minions.

[LabattBlue]

37 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

That's not the wack part.  We've sucked is true.

Having the opinion that selling the team, even if it means them leaving Buffalo, is disgusting.  Try and keep up.  I shouldn't have to explain that to you and your minions.

Truth…Buffalo would be better off without a team versus what we have now…Pegula ownership.  Try and keep up. 

[Weave]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

That's not the wack part.  We've sucked is true.

Having the opinion that selling the team, even if it means them leaving Buffalo, is disgusting.  Try and keep up.  I shouldn't have to explain that to you and your minions.

I don’t see a functional difference between what we have at this moment and not having a team in Buffalo.

THAT is the disgusting part.

[thewookie1]

10 minutes ago, Weave said:

I don’t see a functional difference between what we have at this moment and not having a team in Buffalo.

THAT is the disgusting part.

No there is a major difference regardless if you wish to see it or not.

A bad team, no matter how bad can still have good days and even good seasons.

No team, is just that, no team; you cannot have the happiness or even the chance of it.

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, thewookie1 said:

No there is a major difference regardless if you wish to see it or not.

A bad team, no matter how bad can still have good days and even good seasons.

No team, is just that, no team; you cannot have the happiness or even the chance of it.

The logic of Bane’s “open door” prison 

I kid. 

But seriously, that was the logic: the illusion of hope was the key aspect of the torture 

I think that’s where the “might as well sell” side comes from 

[7+6=13]

43 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Truth…Buffalo would be better off without a team versus what we have now…Pegula ownership.  Try and keep up. 

Shame on you bro

18 minutes ago, Weave said:

I don’t see a functional difference between what we have at this moment and not having a team in Buffalo.

THAT is the disgusting part.

Then you're just too selfish.

[PromoTheRobot]

7 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

Shame on you bro

Then you're just too selfish.

Some people need to keep the razors away from their noses.

[LTS]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

That's not the wack part.  We've sucked is true.

Having the opinion that selling the team, even if it means them leaving Buffalo, is disgusting.  Try and keep up.  I shouldn't have to explain that to you and your minions.

Having an opinion is everyone's right.
 

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Truth…Buffalo would be better off without a team versus what we have now…Pegula ownership.  Try and keep up. 

Having an opinion is everyone's right.
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Exploring this concept. I understand the desire to have a team in your hometown, but is that the sole reason anyone roots for them? Is that the reason anyone roots for any team?  I will admit that people being fans of a team that is in their hometown is likely more prevalent but there are plenty of people who do not live in the city and have never lived in the city in which a sports team they root for resides.  Does this make them unable to be fans?  Of course not.

What does it mean if the Sabres leave Buffalo?  Would you stop being a fan?  I think those who are fans of the team because of the shared connection to Buffalo might. But those who are no longer in Buffalo might not.  If you stopped being a fan of the Sabres would you become a fan of another team?  If you did, would the fact that you don't live in that city make you a lesser fan?

I think people have beliefs on how they would respond but I don't know that we are all confident that we'd hold to those if faced with the situation.

I did say in another thread that given the absolute joke the Sabres have become in the NHL under Pegula's ownership that the fact that they reside in Buffalo does not improve the image of the city at all.  People who tune into games and see half-empty arenas mock the fans, the club, and the city. How do I know? I only need to look at some of the threads here where people were mocking the Florida Panthers not too long ago for their pathetic attendance.

Buffalo is a city known for not winning. Until some franchise wins something it's a moniker that is going to stick. So, a team like the Sabres who move away from Buffalo will no longer be contributing to that image.

Still much better if they would just get good and end this ridiculous and unprecedented level of losing.

[LabattBlue]

40 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Some people need to keep the razors away from their noses.

Where Is Idemo?  The 3rd part of the super fan triumvirate?  
 

Their motto…Thou shalt crucify fans who dare to be critical.

 

😂. 

[Weave]

27 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Where Is Idemo?  The 3rd part of the super fan triumvirate?  
 

Their motto…Thou shalt crucify fans who dare to be critical.

 

😂. 

The shame Promo must feel for us to be part of the same fanbase.

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, LTS said:

Having an opinion is everyone's right.
 

Having an opinion is everyone's right.
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Exploring this concept. I understand the desire to have a team in your hometown, but is that the sole reason anyone roots for them? Is that the reason anyone roots for any team?  I will admit that people being fans of a team that is in their hometown is likely more prevalent but there are plenty of people who do not live in the city and have never lived in the city in which a sports team they root for resides.  Does this make them unable to be fans?  Of course not.

What does it mean if the Sabres leave Buffalo?  Would you stop being a fan?  I think those who are fans of the team because of the shared connection to Buffalo might. But those who are no longer in Buffalo might not.  If you stopped being a fan of the Sabres would you become a fan of another team?  If you did, would the fact that you don't live in that city make you a lesser fan?

I think people have beliefs on how they would respond but I don't know that we are all confident that we'd hold to those if faced with the situation.

I did say in another thread that given the absolute joke the Sabres have become in the NHL under Pegula's ownership that the fact that they reside in Buffalo does not improve the image of the city at all.  People who tune into games and see half-empty arenas mock the fans, the club, and the city. How do I know? I only need to look at some of the threads here where people were mocking the Florida Panthers not too long ago for their pathetic attendance.

Buffalo is a city known for not winning. Until some franchise wins something it's a moniker that is going to stick. So, a team like the Sabres who move away from Buffalo will no longer be contributing to that image.

Still much better if they would just get good and end this ridiculous and unprecedented level of losing.

 

I would feel terribly depressed because a large part of my desire to see the Sabres win the Cup stems from that they are in Buffalo and would bring an end to Buffalo's moniker of a loser city.

I was happy when the Blackhawks won their Cups and NY Giants won the Super Bowl twice because as my father's favorite team they fall into 2nd place but neither ever make me anywhere near as happy than if a Buffalo team pulled either off. The one exception is baseball; Buffalo never had a team so the SF Giants have always been my team and as such hold similar sway to the Sabres and Bills.

So for me, the fact we have a team in of itself is part of the basis to my fandom. To lose them would but a large hole in my heart that I doubt I'd ever recover. Plus I'd root for the leagues to fold just in spite. 

[7+6=13]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Where Is Idemo?  The 3rd part of the super fan triumvirate?  
 

Their motto…Thou shalt crucify fans who dare to be critical.

 

😂. 

I wish you well personally and hope you and yours have a great Thanksgiving.  

I think what you said is a bit more than just being critical.  That's not really a fair assessment.

You said something extreme and kinda crazy and got met with equal opposition.  Definitely more than just, don't ever say anything bad about the Sabres or .....

[LTS]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

I would feel terribly depressed because a large part of my desire to see the Sabres win the Cup stems from that they are in Buffalo and would bring an end to Buffalo's moniker of a loser city.

I was happy when the Blackhawks won their Cups and NY Giants won the Super Bowl twice because as my father's favorite team they fall into 2nd place but neither ever make me anywhere near as happy than if a Buffalo team pulled either off. The one exception is baseball; Buffalo never had a team so the SF Giants have always been my team and as such hold similar sway to the Sabres and Bills.

So for me, the fact we have a team in of itself is part of the basis to my fandom. To lose them would but a large hole in my heart that I doubt I'd ever recover. Plus I'd root for the leagues to fold just in spite. 

Love this response, thank you.  Would you feel less concerned about the Sabres if the Bills were to win the championship?  Do you like hockey more than football or is your fandom and support based on the teams themselves representing the city and through that you're a fan of the sport?  Curious as you mention you'd root for the NHL to fold if the Sabres left town which sounds like you care more about the team than the league itself.

I really feel like I shouldn't have to say it, but because this is the Internet I will.  Nothing above is me arguing with you, I am genuinely looking for your response to gain a better understanding. As I said, everyone has a right to their opinion and I want to understand yours.

Thanks!

 

[thewookie1]

11 hours ago, LTS said:

Love this response, thank you.  (1)Would you feel less concerned about the Sabres if the Bills were to win the championship?  (2)Do you like hockey more than football or is your fandom and support based on the teams themselves representing the city and through that you're a fan of the sport?  (3)Curious as you mention you'd root for the NHL to fold if the Sabres left town which sounds like you care more about the team than the league itself.

I really feel like I shouldn't have to say it, but because this is the Internet I will.  Nothing above is me arguing with you, I am genuinely looking for your response to gain a better understanding. As I said, everyone has a right to their opinion and I want to understand yours.

Thanks!

 

1. I'd be no less concerned about the team itself; but less concerned about Buffalo's moniker as a losing city. It would merely add comfort.

2. Hockey > Football, my loyalties come from a combination of location and familial ties. Love hockey, love to watch hockey

3. The NHL/NFL to me are large corporate entities that run the highest level of sports I like. If either league allowed our team to leave Buffalo I would forever hold that against the league itself. It comes from a combination of "Buffalo vs the World" mentality and I'm not above admitting pettiness. In actuality, I'd likely see my interest wane, depression set in and never quite get to any level of fandom with another team because without the "local" element; the communal attachment is completely lost. There's an inherent connection between Buffalonians, former-Buffalonians, and descendants of Buffalonians that is expressed through sports like little else. A connection that can cross all boundaries whether location, political, ancestry, etc. It's incredible how "Go Bills" has a similar meaning to "Aloha" does in Hawaiian while also relating to a football team. When the Sabres are good, similar aspects can be attributed to "Go Sabres," albeit to a lesser degree. 

I wasn't sure where to put this random thought, there is an inherent difference between the SF Giants winning a World Series and the Sabres winning the Stanley Cup because I'd be happy my favorite team won but there's more degrees of separation. A Sabres Cup win not only is my favorite team winning; but a win for the city in which I live and work. There'd be a parade in my "backyard." and the happiness would quite literally exude through the city for weeks if not months.

[LTS]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

1. I'd be no less concerned about the team itself; but less concerned about Buffalo's moniker as a losing city. It would merely add comfort.

2. Hockey > Football, my loyalties come from a combination of location and familial ties. Love hockey, love to watch hockey

3. The NHL/NFL to me are large corporate entities that run the highest level of sports I like. If either league allowed our team to leave Buffalo I would forever hold that against the league itself. It comes from a combination of "Buffalo vs the World" mentality and I'm not above admitting pettiness. In actuality, I'd likely see my interest wane, depression set in and never quite get to any level of fandom with another team because without the "local" element; the communal attachment is completely lost. There's an inherent connection between Buffalonians, former-Buffalonians, and descendants of Buffalonians that is expressed through sports like little else. A connection that can cross all boundaries whether location, political, ancestry, etc. It's incredible how "Go Bills" has a similar meaning to "Aloha" does in Hawaiian while also relating to a football team. When the Sabres are good, similar aspects can be attributed to "Go Sabres," albeit to a lesser degree. 

I wasn't sure where to put this random thought, there is an inherent difference between the SF Giants winning a World Series and the Sabres winning the Stanley Cup because I'd be happy my favorite team won but there's more degrees of separation. A Sabres Cup win not only is my favorite team winning; but a win for the city in which I live and work. There'd be a parade in my "backyard." and the happiness would quite literally exude through the city for weeks if not months.

Thank you.