Would you be happy if Pegula sold the team?

[Pimlach]

21 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Push the Sabres and they won't push back. It's been that way for 10 years. Can Ruff change it? They did call up that one AHLer for a game vs. Tampa Bay after getting tossed around the previous two seasons. Remember that great example of toughness?

Part of the beauty of playoff hockey is the ebb-and-flow. Good teams taking turns controlling play and going at each other, pushing, prodding, exerting their will. And then it shifts back. The Sabres haven't been able to push back against a physical team. And it can't just be a bunch of newcomers on the fourth line. It needs to be everyone. Tuch responded to the hit: well and good. That's expected. But the response needs to be ongoing through the rest of the game. There needs to be a fire and an orneriness at the end of the game to send a message for the next day, and the rematch later in the season.

This franchise still needs a line brawl in the worst way. They need to pick another franchise and make them an enemy. Force a good old rivalry. Make those games must-have tickets. And then, pick another team, and do it again. I nominate Boston and Tampa.

I will go with Bah'stin and Trono. 

 

[Timonthy 76]

If Terry genuinely intended to sell, he could potentially secure a minimum of 1.3 billion dollars, particularly considering the approximate selling price of the Leafs after the recent sale, which was approximately 4.3 billion US dollars. 

[JohnC]

21 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Push the Sabres and they won't push back. It's been that way for 10 years. Can Ruff change it? They did call up that one AHLer for a game vs. Tampa Bay after getting tossed around the previous two seasons. Remember that great example of toughness?

Part of the beauty of playoff hockey is the ebb-and-flow. Good teams taking turns controlling play and going at each other, pushing, prodding, exerting their will. And then it shifts back. The Sabres haven't been able to push back against a physical team. And it can't just be a bunch of newcomers on the fourth line. It needs to be everyone. Tuch responded to the hit: well and good. That's expected. But the response needs to be ongoing through the rest of the game. There needs to be a fire and an orneriness at the end of the game to send a message for the next day, and the rematch later in the season.

This franchise still needs a line brawl in the worst way. They need to pick another franchise and make them an enemy. Force a good old rivalry. Make those games must-have tickets. And then, pick another team, and do it again. I nominate Boston and Tampa.

We don't need a brawl in the worst way. (Your words.) What we mostly need is for our top two lines to play like top two lines that can more reliably score goals when the opportunities exist. The Sabres were clearly outplayed in the Prague games. However, what was disturbing in those two games is that there were opportunities for the top lines to score. The shooters simply missed the net when golden opportunities existed. That pattern of misfiring  has plagued this team for two long. 

I agree with you that one of the best features of hockey (regular and playoff games) is the changing ebb and flow of a game. I didn't see much of that in the two European games. We were by far the slower and sluggish team in those games. 

I'm hoping that in our first home stand that this team plays with more energy and urgency. I'm really getting tired of watching the Sabres play as if they are fatigued. I'm not enamored with watching thuggery. I prefer watching a fast-paced and hardnosed style of play. That leads to more winning. 

[DarthEbriate]

19 minutes ago, JohnC said:

(Your words.)

Second-to-worst way. 😇

What they need is to rise up and confront, head-on and with gusto, a physical confrontation. And they need to do this as a team.

There are other ways, but it's hockey, so a regular old donnybrook is the easiest way to accomplish it.

[Mr Peabody]

22 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Push the Sabres and they won't push back. It's been that way for 10 years. Can Ruff change it? They did call up that one AHLer for a game vs. Tampa Bay after getting tossed around the previous two seasons. Remember that great example of toughness?

Part of the beauty of playoff hockey is the ebb-and-flow. Good teams taking turns controlling play and going at each other, pushing, prodding, exerting their will. And then it shifts back. The Sabres haven't been able to push back against a physical team. And it can't just be a bunch of newcomers on the fourth line. It needs to be everyone. Tuch responded to the hit: well and good. That's expected. But the response needs to be ongoing through the rest of the game. There needs to be a fire and an orneriness at the end of the game to send a message for the next day, and the rematch later in the season.

This franchise still needs a line brawl in the worst way. They need to pick another franchise and make them an enemy. Force a good old rivalry. Make those games must-have tickets. And then, pick another team, and do it again. I nominate Boston and Tampa.

I fear we’d have 6 guys on LITR if we tried that.  

[DarthEbriate]

1 hour ago, Mr Peabody said:

I fear we’d have 6 guys on LITR if we tried that.  

Maybe. But they'll never know until they begin to extend themselves.

[LabattBlue]

SELL THE TEAM!

[PerreaultForever]

Yes. Go. Begone. Exit. Frak off. 

[mjd1001]

Of course the question is, if who he sold them to would keep them here.  That is the key.

But if there was another owner that would keep them hear, of course yes, sell them, 100%.  He has been the worst owner overseeing the worst stretch by any of the 4 major sports teams in North American in modern history.

[Demoted]

Can Pegula become an Ambassador?

[Pimlach]

27 minutes ago, Demoted said:

Can Pegula become an Ambassador?

No.  Did you ever hear him speak? 

 

 

Edited November 17 by Pimlach

[Thorner]

It’s been 13 years and Terry Pegula is STILL the viceroy of the Sabres federation 

[Ogelthorpe]

On 10/5/2024 at 6:27 PM, GoPre said:

I’ll disagree with this one.  The Bills defense has been one of the better in the NFL in recent years.  Right decisions had to be made to achieve that.  

Just not when it matters in January!

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Of course the question is, if who he sold them to would keep them here.  That is the key.

But if there was another owner that would keep them hear, of course yes, sell them, 100%.  He has been the worst owner overseeing the worst stretch by any of the 4 major sports teams in North American in modern history.

At this point, if the two choices are Pegula keeps the team and they stay in Buffalo, or the team gets sold and moves, SELL!   
 

He is beyond embarrassment as an NHL owner. I cannot be any angrier over what this clown has done to the franchise I have followed since day one. 

Edited November 17 by LabattBlue

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, Demoted said:

Can Pegula become an Ambassador?

Sure. The Duchy of Grand Fenwick needs one. 

[WhenWillItEnd66]

Sell the team to a non fan that actually wants to win

[PromoTheRobot]

On 11/17/2024 at 4:08 PM, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Sell the team to a non fan that actually wants to win

This is all you need to succeed. You have to want it. I read a book once called The Secret.

[LTS]

12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

This is all you need to succeed. You have to want it. I read a book once called The Secret.

I'm guessing that you aren't allowed to tell us about it?

[mjd1001]

On 11/17/2024 at 4:08 PM, WhenWillItEnd66 said:

Sell the team to a non fan that actually wants to win

There is a case to be made that a 'non fan' owner who 'kinda wants to win but only to make money' might be the best owner.

They are less likely to meddle. They are more likely to hire the best people the run the team and stay out of their way. When things go bad, they are more likely to not be 'too close' to the team or the players (as a fan) and just want to make changes to get things better.   None of this "I'm an owner and I LOVE hockey and I know a lot about it, listen to me!" or none of this "So and so as a player or coach is the kind a player coach I like so lets give them a longer chance".

I don't know if this has ever happened (probably not) but if a guy bought your favorite team and said the following:

-I'm not a huge fan of the sport but I want to own a pro sports team so here I am

-I'm love money and want to make money, but I know the way to make the MOST money is to have long playoff runs

-I'm going to hire the best people for the job, and if they don't do the job I will evaluate them with ruthless, efficient honesty

How many of us would rather have a 'fan' like Pegula over an owner like that?

There are some teams that are run by/with 'corporate efficiency', some with good results, some with bad :Atlanta Braves, Maple Leafs and Blue Jays, but would that really be worse than what we have here now in the Sabres?

Edited November 19 by mjd1001

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, LTS said:

I'm guessing that you aren't allowed to tell us about it?

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Secret_(Byrne_book)&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

 

Edited November 19 by PromoTheRobot

[LTS]

46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Secret_(Byrne_book)&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4

 

It was mostly a joke and i did look it up.  But thanks for also sharing.

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

There is a case to be made that a 'non fan' owner who 'kinda wants to win but only to make money' might be the best owner.

They are less likely to meddle. They are more likely to hire the best people the run the team and stay out of their way. When things go bad, they are more likely to not be 'too close' to the team or the players (as a fan) and just want to make changes to get things better.   None of this "I'm an owner and I LOVE hockey and I know a lot about it, listen to me!" or none of this "So and so as a player or coach is the kind a player coach I like so lets give them a longer chance".

I don't know if this has ever happened (probably not) but if a guy bought your favorite team and said the following:

-I'm not a huge fan of the sport but I want to own a pro sports team so here I am

-I'm love money and want to make money, but I know the way to make the MOST money is to have long playoff runs

-I'm going to hire the best people for the job, and if they don't do the job I will evaluate them with ruthless, efficient honesty

How many of us would rather have a 'fan' like Pegula over an owner like that?

There are some teams that are run by/with 'corporate efficiency', some with good results, some with bad :Atlanta Braves, Maple Leafs and Blue Jays, but would that really be worse than what we have here now in the Sabres?

 

I don't think there are very many sports owners like you describe. Winning sports ownership is part judgement, part experience, and part luck. Golisano was close to what you describe but he kind of lucked into a good team but being bottom line oriented he was not going to support an expensive habit for very long. 

Turn the question around. If anyone in this group suddenly found themselves to be very rich and bought the team what kind of owner would they be? Would they know who to hire for a GM? A coach? Would they write a blank check with no input on major decisions? The answer to pretty much all of that is no. We would all be crappy owners unless somehow things fell the right way and we found a GM we felt comfortable with coach who was not going to fight with a GM and star 20 year old kids who somehow can stay focused long enough to win games. 

You want to know what sports ownership is like? Go buy a racehorse. I don't follow that sport as much as I used to but for decades I watched many rich owners make some very bad decisions due to lack of experience or very bad luck. They might have hired the best buyers, trainers and used the best jockeys and still never got to win the biggest races. Once in awhile a lucky owner would come along and stumble into a great horse and not manage to screw things up by telling the trainer when to race him or who should ride him. Having said that a good trainer often gives the owners options and possible outcomes. Most owners want to feel like they have a hand in the game. Why not they are writing the checks, the best owners understand the sports ups and downs. Being unlucky does not make you a bad owner, Being involved to a point does not make you a bad owner, I would rather a fan of the team be an owner than some corporation. At least I would like to think the owner is suffering just as much as I am when things are not going well.     

[7+6=13]

On 11/17/2024 at 10:23 AM, LabattBlue said:

At this point, if the two choices are Pegula keeps the team and they stay in Buffalo, or the team gets sold and moves, SELL!   
 

This is disgusting.

[LabattBlue]

8 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

This is disgusting.

The truth is never easy. 😂

[EM88]

18 hours ago, Jorcus said:

 

I don't think there are very many sports owners like you describe. Winning sports ownership is part judgement, part experience, and part luck. Golisano was close to what you describe but he kind of lucked into a good team but being bottom line oriented he was not going to support an expensive habit for very long. 

Golisano is a good example.  Corporate ownership is another.  Look to the north to Toronto for how the Leafs are run, or the Raptors or Blue Jays.

They may not be good enough to win a championship. But that type of ownership does exist and it functions in a way to spend enough money to insure the team is good enough to make money. And dips or drawbacks in spending are very temporary.