LGR4GM Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) No! He probably isn’t even in the top 30. He was 45th in pts per game by centers last year who played at least 50 games and 31st in total goals scored. Edited 1 hour ago by GASabresIUFAN 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Lee Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) He needs a significant bounce back to be in the top 40. Maybe a little harsh. Make that top 30. Edited 1 hour ago by Archie Lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 years ago he definitely was, and probably better than top 15 for that matter. Last year? Not so much. He has a ton of skill and I think a pretty good attitude. He’s pretty fast once he gets going. Not sure about his hockey IQ either way. Durability is also an open question. We’ll find out this year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSTUCHINGO Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I believe that he is. Obviously was hurt all last season, so you can't judge him by last year. This season we will find out for certain. This year is a put up or shut up for the team and a number of core players on it (Cozens, Mule, Bowen, JJ, Quinny, Krebs, etc). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I need more data. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 9 minutes ago, LETSTUCHINGO said: I believe that he is. Obviously was hurt all last season, so you can't judge him by last year. This season we will find out for certain. This year is a put up or shut up for the team and a number of core players on it (Cozens, Mule, Bowen, JJ, Quinny, Krebs, etc). Even if average his last 3 seasons, therefore giving him credit for his career year, his points per game puts him outside at 20th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSTUCHINGO Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 31 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: No! He probably isn’t even in the top 30. He was 45th in pts per game by centers last year who played at least 50 games and 31st in total goals scored. He was hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) What did we all say the last time we asked ourselves this question? For historical reference: Edited 1 hour ago by DarthEbriate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted 1 hour ago Author Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 17 minutes ago, Weave said: I need more data. Odd request but sure: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, LETSTUCHINGO said: He was hurt. You don’t think other players go hurt and played through them as well? It’s hockey, everyone gets hurts and plays through nagging injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Top 15 don't float back on D. Hopefully Lindy cures that major issue with many on this roster, including Tage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSTUCHINGO Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: You don’t think other players go hurt and played through them as well? It’s hockey, everyone gets hurts and plays through nagging injuries. Absolutely and depending on the injury their numbers go down. Do you not think we should take that into consideration? Especially seeing how it was a hand injury. This year will cement him one way or another. Agree? Edited 1 hour ago by LETSTUCHINGO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago He has been. It's unclear whether he is. Or if he will be. Ooof on the use of "has been." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 51 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: No! He probably isn’t even in the top 30. He was 45th in pts per game by centers last year who played at least 50 games and 31st in total goals scored. He has also scored more goals over the past 3 years than all but 6 other NHL centres. To answer the thread, he was two years ago and he wasn't last year. Personally, I expect him to flirt with 40 goals and 80 points this year, probably falling a bit short of each. So maybe? Edited 1 hour ago by dudacek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I hope he is but the realist in me says top 25-30 is more likely. I hope I’m wrong though it would be awesome to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago The problem with the question is that he is easily not in the top 10 Here are 11 names that Tage is certainly below; McDavid, Draisaitl, McKinnon, Matthews, Hughes, Miller (284 pts the last 3 years), Petterson, Point, Crosby, Barkov, and Stamkos. Then you get into the next group. Guys like Eichel, Reinhart, Aho, Zibanajed, Larkin, Guentzel, Barzal, Stutzle, Thomas, Bedard, and Tavares. I can see Tage in this group. Better than some, but worse than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 56 minutes ago Report Share Posted 56 minutes ago 10 minutes ago, dudacek said: He has also scored more goals over the past 3 years than all but 6 other NHL centres. He is actually 8th. He is also 40th in assists and 22nd in total points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 52 minutes ago Report Share Posted 52 minutes ago 18 minutes ago, LETSTUCHINGO said: Absolutely and depending on the injury their numbers go down. Do you not think we should take that into consideration? Especially seeing how it was a hand injury. This year will cement him one way or another. Agree? No. I think it’s fair to say that at his best he is an above average 1st line center, but far from the elite players at his position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted 51 minutes ago Report Share Posted 51 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: The problem with the question is that he is easily not in the top 10 Here are 11 names that Tage is certainly below; McDavid, Draisaitl, McKinnon, Matthews, Hughes, Miller (284 pts the last 3 years), Petterson, Point, Crosby, Barkov, and Stamkos. Then you get into the next group. Guys like Eichel, Reinhart, Aho, Zibanajed, Larkin, Guentzel, Barzal, Stutzle, Thomas, Bedard, and Tavares. I can see Tage in this group. Better than some, but worse than others. I might not choose the exact same names, but generally this seems fair. He's 19th in points over the past 3 years (Sorry NHL, Guentzel and Reinhart are not centres) He's within 15 points of 13th and within 15 points of 32nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted 49 minutes ago Report Share Posted 49 minutes ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: He is actually 8th. He is also 40th in assists and 22nd in total points. Like I said above, Reinhart is not a centre. Neither is Guentzel. HUberdeau is the other winger listed ahead of him on the points list. (I don't think Stamkos has played much centre over that period, but I'm not arguing that one) Edited 46 minutes ago by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted 41 minutes ago Report Share Posted 41 minutes ago When healthy, Tage is definitely Top 15 in terms of offense. As a whole when including defensive play, which did improve a bit last year, he's likely somewhere between 15 and 20 OA in the league. 3 minutes ago, dudacek said: Like I said above, Reinhart is not a centre. Neither is Guentzel. HUberdeau is the other winger listed ahead of him on the points list. (I don't think Stamkos has played much centre over that period, but I'm not arguing that one) Stamkos wasn't a center in Tampa the last couple years. 30 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: You don’t think other players go hurt and played through them as well? It’s hockey, everyone gets hurts and plays through nagging injuries. Last year, his specific injury greatly impacted his greatest asset in his stickhandling and shot. Imagine if McDavid lost most of his speed for a year; he'd still put up points for sure but wouldn't be the same player in the slightest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted 36 minutes ago Report Share Posted 36 minutes ago 59 minutes ago, Weave said: I need more data. So, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted 34 minutes ago Report Share Posted 34 minutes ago (edited) 59 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Even if average his last 3 seasons, therefore giving him credit for his career year, his points per game puts him outside at 20th. He doesn’t have an established sample size to the extent we can just “write last year off”. Last year could be “him” as much as anything. He’s 27 and has like a year or two left of his prime. Waiting around on prospects never made sense - if KA ultimately doesn’t work out, we’ll almost certainly be looking back at the lack of action after finishing 1 point out Could Tage have a top 15 C season this year? I think it’s definitely possible. But I’d say it’s unlikely he carves that out as mainstay designation. He’d have to stabilize as that for several years and there isn’t a ton of runway especially for a man of his size Edited 32 minutes ago by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted 29 minutes ago Report Share Posted 29 minutes ago (edited) 27 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: He is actually 8th. He is also 40th in assists and 22nd in total points. And nothing to write home about defensively. Never understood the cherry picking of goals Edited 29 minutes ago by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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