Around the NHL: 2024-2025 Season

[Freeezo]

  On 3/26/2025 at 1:23 AM, ExWNYer said:

If not for the stupid penalties which cost the Sabres two goals against...and an offside call on JJ's marker...this game would be a runaway for the home team.

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  On 3/27/2025 at 1:39 AM, Doohickie said:

I agree and this far in the rearview mirror it makes sense, but at that point in time I think Casey's camp could have easily demanded another 7x7 deal; he was showing himself at that time to be slightly better than Cozens so why wouldn't he?  I got the impression that Adams didn't want to sew discontent by offering him substantially less although I seem to remember Casey saying he would have preferred re-signing so maybe he would have been amenable to a hometown discount.  Heck, COL signed him for 5.75 x 3.

I loved the role he played on the Sabres roster:  a better than average 3C but could move up to any top 6 position should the need arise.  The Sabres center spine took a hit when they shipped him out and still hasn't recovered.  And I, too, wonder why they wanted Byram so much, unless that was the best Kevyn could garner for him.  Now that Byram's here, fine, I've been pretty happy with his play.  But I was extremely puzzled at the time why that trade was made.

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I thinks it's pretty simple. He was the only proven top four guy on the market. Also, to me that trade was more about Power than the focus of Casey.

[PerreaultForever]

Casey and Joker helping with the Bruins tank. At this rate they'll end up with Desnoyers or Hagens. Just dreadful and much worse than the Sabres now. 

[Jorcus]

  On 3/27/2025 at 6:42 AM, PerreaultForever said:

Casey and Joker helping with the Bruins tank. At this rate they'll end up with Desnoyers or Hagens. Just dreadful and much worse than the Sabres now. 

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Mitts with Pasta last night was a disaster -5 for both of them. Bad goaltending contributed. 

[DarthEbriate]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:23 PM, Jorcus said:

Mitts with Pasta last night was a disaster -5 for both of them. Bad goaltending contributed. 

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Since the trade deadline, the Bruins are 2-7 (starting off with 2 FU-we-can-do-it-without Marchand/Carlo/Coyle wins). In the 7 losses they've been outscored 36-13.

Joker is skating 21+ minutes/game and is somehow only a -2 and now he doesn't have Zadorov.

(For comparison Mitts is -11)

Boston is going to fly past the Sabres in the draft order.

[Broken Ankles]

  On 3/27/2025 at 3:11 PM, DarthEbriate said:

Since the trade deadline, the Bruins are 2-7 (starting off with 2 FU-we-can-do-it-without Marchand/Carlo/Coyle wins). In the 7 losses they've been outscored 36-13.

Joker is skating 21+ minutes/game and is somehow only a -2 and now he doesn't have Zadorov.

(For comparison Mitts is -11)

Boston is going to fly past the Sabres in the draft order.

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[PerreaultForever]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:23 PM, Jorcus said:

Mitts with Pasta last night was a disaster -5 for both of them. Bad goaltending contributed. 

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Indeed. I was curious how that would go and it was dreadful. Mitts played at his worst. They have an AHL D right now though. Really bad and tanking hard. 

[thewookie1]

What exactly happened to Mitts, he seemed to be trending up through our trade and into this season and then he aggressively dove back to being a complete liability 

Edited Thursday at 10:54 PM by thewookie1

[HumanSlinky39]

At what point does Detroit admit the Yzerplan has failed?

[shrader]

  On 3/28/2025 at 2:00 AM, HumanSlinky39 said:

At what point does Detroit admit the Yzerplan has failed?

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And to think that some people say the different tax rates don’t matter. 

[PerreaultForever]

  On 3/28/2025 at 2:00 AM, HumanSlinky39 said:

At what point does Detroit admit the Yzerplan has failed?

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When the Sabres admit Adams has? idk

Boy are they ever a bunch of divers though. Refs were buying into it but these guys were flopping all over at the slightest touch. Ruined the flow of the game and kept it from being a tight playoff style game too. Dead Things still lost so good on them. 

Cozens didn't do much. 

[Thorner]

  On 3/28/2025 at 2:25 AM, shrader said:

And to think that some people say the different tax rates don’t matter. 

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[shrader]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:16 AM, Thorner said:

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I give you apples vs apples and you show me apples vs oranges.  That’s completely different people running things, and in the case of. Buffalo, multiple different people. Yzerman in Florida vs in Michigan: good without taxes, horrible with. 

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[Thorner]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:20 AM, shrader said:

I give you apples vs apples and you show me apples vs oranges.  That’s completely different people running things, and in the case of. Buffalo, multiple different people. Yzerman in Florida vs in Michigan: good without taxes, horrible with. 

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Big deal. The point is that “taxes” don’t have to matter. Apples to apples is exactly what Adams does: pick the convenient excuse for the moment, whichever that one is is the “apple.”

there’s a common denominator owner in Buffalo. That he hired 3 incompetent GMs isn’t a stretch it’s the most logical outcome. Adams has just proven to be significantly worse.

Yzerman is not a monolith. Because HE supposedly cant do it without that benefit, when many can and do, isn’t an excuse at all: it’s the exception that proves the rule. Adams and Yzerman are the anomaly. It proves his talents as a GM are now shallow. You are conditioned to think you can only ask for a below replacement level GM.

besides, Francis Ford Coppola made the godfather and megalopolis. We live in a world of human beings 

[triumph_communes]

Taxes ain’t the problem. It’s the convenient excuse. 

[Thorner]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:28 AM, triumph_communes said:

Taxes ain’t the problem. It’s the convenient excuse. 

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Until the goalposts need to move

[shrader]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:28 AM, triumph_communes said:

Taxes ain’t the problem. It’s the convenient excuse. 

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They certainly don’t help. But for whatever reason we somehow want to live in a world where there is only one singular reason for everything. 

[Porous Five Hole]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:56 AM, shrader said:

They certainly don’t help. But for whatever reason we somehow want to live in a world where there is only one singular reason for everything. 

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And it isn’t as bad as it has been made out to be. The hockey news did a study and Buffalo is the 13th highest tax city in the NHL…middle of the pack & not noteworthy. Kevyn really screwed up that day and he should be fired for it.  
 

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hockey-taxes-what-an-nhl-player-pays-in-taxes-depending-on-their-team

[Thorner]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:35 PM, Porous Five Hole said:

And it isn’t as bad as it has been made out to be. The hockey news did a study and Buffalo is the 13th highest tax city in the NHL…middle of the pack & not noteworthy. Kevyn really screwed up that day and he should be fired for it.  
 

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hockey-taxes-what-an-nhl-player-pays-in-taxes-depending-on-their-team

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Honestly I think Bernard Docker saved his job. I’d extend him. Adams, I mean 

[shrader]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:35 PM, Porous Five Hole said:

And it isn’t as bad as it has been made out to be. The hockey news did a study and Buffalo is the 13th highest tax city in the NHL…middle of the pack & not noteworthy. Kevyn really screwed up that day and he should be fired for it.  
 

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hockey-taxes-what-an-nhl-player-pays-in-taxes-depending-on-their-team

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I was not talking about Buffalo at any point. It’s simply about how two different markets completely changed Yzerman’s results. Sure, there’s more to it than just tax and market desirability, but it definitely has played a role in his lack of results. 

[Porous Five Hole]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:44 PM, shrader said:

I was not talking about Buffalo at any point. It’s simply about how two different markets completely changed Yzerman’s results. Sure, there’s more to it than just tax and market desirability, but it definitely has played a role in his lack of results. 

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Right, and I was riffing off your comment and not trying to respond directly to you.  I’m sorry if my writing didn’t make that clear. 

[Jorcus]

  On 3/28/2025 at 5:03 AM, PerreaultForever said:

When the Sabres admit Adams has? idk

Boy are they ever a bunch of divers though. Refs were buying into it but these guys were flopping all over at the slightest touch. Ruined the flow of the game and kept it from being a tight playoff style game too. Dead Things still lost so good on them. 

Cozens didn't do much. 

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Detroit lives and dies by their power play. Its no wonder they like to take dives. 5 on 5 they are not a very good but the power play is great. They are another team that does not have good goal tending. That problem kills a lot of best laid plans. Overall I don't think they are a bad team. 

[Archie Lee]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:44 PM, shrader said:

I was not talking about Buffalo at any point. It’s simply about how two different markets completely changed Yzerman’s results. Sure, there’s more to it than just tax and market desirability, but it definitely has played a role in his lack of results. 

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I’m not sure of the differences in scouting staffs, but under Yzerman, Tampa drafted much better than Detroit has. Also, Yzerman inherited Hedman and Stamkos in Tampa. Dylan Larkin is a good player, but not in the same category as a building block as Stamkos or Hedman. 

[Thorner]

 

[shrader]

  On 3/28/2025 at 4:06 PM, Thorner said:

 

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I was just looking at that earlier today. It’s crazy that the line in the east is 10 points behind the west. Part of that is due to the west teams having played a few more games, but it’s still a huge gap. 

[Drag0nDan]

  On 3/28/2025 at 4:21 PM, shrader said:

I was just looking at that earlier today. It’s crazy that the line in the east is 10 points behind the west. Part of that is due to the west teams having played a few more games, but it’s still a huge gap. 

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Probably the most frustrating aspect of this season.  It was totally do-able, but Buffalo lost 14 straight games.  You really can't make that up unless you win like 10 in a row.