Getpucksdeep Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 Can we get a title change on this thread? As a cyclist who deals with this danger every day, and having lost a couple friends to similar incidents, it's frustrating the media and world goes with "car accident" when actually in this case it's murder. 2 3
JoeSchmoe Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Getpucksdeep said: Can we get a title change on this thread? As a cyclist who deals with this danger every day, and having lost a couple friends to similar incidents, it's frustrating the media and world goes with "car accident" when actually in this case it's murder. I agree with the title change and the anger... But it's death by auto and not murder. Nonetheless he should be put away for a very long time. 1 2
Eli Cash Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 (edited) Impaired driving doesn’t seem to receive the notoriety that it did a few decades ago. Given the available transportation options in today’s world, it is an even more reprehensible act of recklessness. Edited August 30 by Eli Cash 6
bob_sauve28 Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, Getpucksdeep said: Can we get a title change on this thread? As a cyclist who deals with this danger every day, and having lost a couple friends to similar incidents, it's frustrating the media and world goes with "car accident" when actually in this case it's murder. Manslaughter, I think 1 3
Mustache of God Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 The title of this thread should be updated...this was not an accident. It was the result of an impatient drunk ***** murdering two people with a vehicle. 4
phil_soisson Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 53 minutes ago, Getpucksdeep said: Can we get a title change on this thread? As a cyclist who deals with this danger every day, and having lost a couple friends to similar incidents, it's frustrating the media and world goes with "car accident" when actually in this case it's murder. I get your emotion, but it's not murder; it's manslaughter 2 1 3
aristocrat Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 Changed the title. ESPN first reported it as a car accident so that’s what I went by 1
JoeSchmoe Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 I see the thread title changed. This was a horrifying, emotional event, but to call it murder implies intent to kill. Unless there's news I haven't seen yet, I don't think this is the case. The current accounts imply this was a drunk driving incident. The correct title would say something to effect: Johnny Gaudreau Killed by Drunk Driver 1 2
aristocrat Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said: I see the thread title changed. This was a horrifying, emotional event, but to call it murder implies intent to kill. Unless there's news I haven't seen yet, I don't think this is the case. The current accounts imply this was a drunk driving incident. The correct title would say something to effect: Johnny Gaudreau Killed by Drunk Driver He chose to drink he chose to drive I’d say it’s murder. 6
phil_soisson Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: He chose to drink he chose to drive I’d say it’s murder. It's now an intentionally inflammatory title. That right there should exclude you from ever sitting on a jury. 1
aristocrat Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 3 minutes ago, phil_soisson said: It's now an intentionally inflammatory title. That right there should exclude you from ever sitting on a jury. They probably would anyways since I had a close family member killed by a drunk American Airlines pilot. My brother was supposed to be in the car but got sick and didn’t go.
LabattBlue Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 43 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said: Johnny Gaudreau Killed by Drunk Driver I think this title would be more appropriate. 1
#freejame Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 My god this conversation is tone-deaf. Webster says it’s fine, drop it. Search google before getting on your high horse. This isn’t a court of law. murder noun mur·der ˈmər-dər plural murders Synonyms of murder 1 : the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person 1 1
Stoner Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 It goes to show you the Internet is never (OK almost never) about showing compassion.
That Aud Smell Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 9 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: It goes to show you the Internet is never (OK almost never) about showing compassion. Depending on which content you choose to focus on, sure.
thewookie1 Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 9 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: It goes to show you the Internet is never (OK almost never) about showing compassion. My guess is arguing on semantics is the way most forum posters try to deal with a tragedy. 1
JoeSchmoe Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 21 minutes ago, #freejame said: My god this conversation is tone-deaf. Webster says it’s fine, drop it. Search google before getting on your high horse. This isn’t a court of law. murder noun mur·der ˈmər-dər plural murders Synonyms of murder 1 : the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person This is a really emotional event, but if you tried the driver for murder, he definitely walks based on the legal definition of the term. My point is if we post a thread title on the main page, we should try to make it as accurate as possible for the person clicking through. 1 1
#freejame Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said: This is a really emotional event, but if you tried the driver for murder, he definitely walks based on the legal definition of the term. My point is if we post a thread title on the main page, we should try to make it as accurate as possible for the person clicking through. This is not a court of law. It’s a message board. It is murder. Automobile propaganda and lobbying might have convinced the courts otherwise, but to say this does not meet the laymen’s definition is clearly wrong, based on all the laymen in here saying it’s murder. If you want to have a separate conversation over the rights of auto drivers vs pedestrians and cyclists, we can have it out elsewhere. 1 1 1
bob_sauve28 Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 1 minute ago, #freejame said: This is not a court of law. It’s a message board. It is murder. Automobile propaganda and lobbying might have convinced the courts otherwise, but to say this does not meet the laymen’s definition is clearly wrong, based on all the laymen in here saying it’s murder. If you want to have a separate conversation over the rights of auto drivers vs pedestrians and cyclists, we can have it out elsewhere. Well, "murder" has motive to kill. This guy was a d-bag and is totally guilty of killing, but he probably did not set out to kill anyone on purpose 1 1
Noacls Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 30 minutes ago, #freejame said: My god this conversation is tone-deaf. Webster says it’s fine, drop it. Search google before getting on your high horse. This isn’t a court of law. murder noun mur·der ˈmər-dər plural murders Synonyms of murder 1 : the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person Wrong, you forgot the most important part of definition of murder, "premeditated". 1 1 2
LTS Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 https://www.findlaw.com/dui/charges/dui-manslaughter-and-dui-murder.html I'll leave it at that. Still no more words. These kinds of events (which sadly happen far too often and we never hear about) just tear me up inside. 1 1
bob_sauve28 Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 Sunset today in New Jersey is about 7:30. If JG and his brother did not have on lights and reflective vest, then this dude's attorney will no doubt argue they were partly at fault. Total speculation on my part, but just throwing it out there 1
#freejame Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Noacls said: Wrong, you forgot the most important part of definition of murder, "premeditated". It’s literally a copy and paste definition, I didn’t forget anything. It seems to me posters are either being willfully obtuse or deliberately pot-stirring. Two young fathers are dead because of the extreme and willful negligence of an individual showing zero regard for the consequences of his actions. Call it whatever you want, but shut the ***** up over the wording and move on to what matters. Edited August 30 by #freejame 2 1 1 1
#freejame Posted August 30 Report Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Noacls said: Or I'm retired law enforcement and that definition is incorrect. Wow you are a willfully ignorant fool. This is what I mean by willfully obtuse. Open ***** google, type in “murder definition” click the first link. Or just click here. I don’t give a ***** who you are or what you do, you can’t seem to comprehend that I quoted a definition from a dictionary that I sourced. “Nuh-uh that’s not what it says!” You sound like a toddler. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder I’m finished with this conversation.
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