Amerks 24/25 - Young Talented Roster

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

Anyone else watching the Amerks on FloHockey?  Streams have not been consistent.  I’ve used the away stream for most of the time. 

 

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

PTR is doing so; but he's the only one I know for sure is.

He said that if you watch the games after the fact; that there is no sound, only video.

I am, but I've yet to see a stream live. Both tries have been on replays where I couldn't understand why there was no sound. Then I found the line on the FLO support page that said because of "music licensing issues" they mute game audio on replays so no incidental music is heard. If I knew that was the case I would not have paid for FLO.

Edited October 15 by PromoTheRobot

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I am, but I've yet to see a stream live. Both tries have been on replays where I couldn't understand why there was no sound. Then I found the line on the FLO support page that said because of "music licensing issues" they mute game audio on replays so no incidental music is heard. If I knew that was the case I would not have paid for FLO.

That is ridiculous, and should allow for a refund for an inferior product. 
 

What happened to AHL TV?

[Hank]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I am, but I've yet to see a stream live. Both tries have been on replays where I couldn't understand why there was no sound. Then I found the line on the FLO support page that said because of "music licensing issues" they mute game audio on replays so no incidental music is heard. If I knew that was the case I would not have paid for FLO.

I watched the Amerks games last night on flo, on the Amerks feed, the sound was fine. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, Hank said:

I watched the Amerks games last night on flo, on the Amerks feed, the sound was fine. 

Did you see it live or on replay?

[Hank]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Did you see it live or on replay?

Replay. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Hank said:

Replay. 

I have no idea why it's not working for me.

[Hank]

I've had flo for years to watch rugby on it. No idea if it's a factor in any way, or if the devise you use matters. I've always watched it on roku. 

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm beginning to realize this audio issue is just with my computer and TV. 

[inkman]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm beginning to realize this audio issue is just with my computer and TV. 

The ol’ operator error

[inkman]

A couple former ‘Merks in the news 

 

[DarthEbriate]

The Amerks seem to do well when 1) they aren't playing the Marlies, and 2) Houser is in net.

6-1 over the Monsters. Östlund with his first of the season (and his first AHL regular season goal).

[JoeSchmoe]

Just saw Östlund got his first point in his 5th game this season. That doesn't sound so good. Is it his linemates?

If you know me I'd have liked to have seen him and Rosen dealt as part of a package for a legit top 6 player. In comparison, Matthew Savoie has been pushing the PPG ballpark with his AHL stints, even when he was younger.

My worry is that if Östlund doesn't improve, his trade value will hit the toilet.

[PerreaultForever]

51 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Just saw Östlund got his first point in his 5th game this season. That doesn't sound so good. Is it his linemates?

If you know me I'd have liked to have seen him and Rosen dealt as part of a package for a legit top 6 player. In comparison, Matthew Savoie has been pushing the PPG ballpark with his AHL stints, even when he was younger.

My worry is that if Östlund doesn't improve, his trade value will hit the toilet.

Is it possible they are just too small, too light? 

[JoeSchmoe]

12 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Is it possible they are just too small, too light? 

When they drafted them, both of them were lacking in size. Normally you can look past size if the production in junior is there, but neither one were exactly can't miss in that regard either. My take is they should have went bigger given no elite scorers were available.

[PerreaultForever]

44 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

When they drafted them, both of them were lacking in size. Normally you can look past size if the production in junior is there, but neither one were exactly can't miss in that regard either. My take is they should have went bigger given no elite scorers were available.

That's been my view for quite a while. There is a balance in these things but for the most part they draft too much on speed and skill analytics and not enough on size and character. hence we have to trade for a Malenstyn rather than having several of them in the system. 

My thought is they keep drafting the same way figuring eventually one sticks. Benson for example. But maybe they feel they can trade a surplus of skill guys for the grinders, whoa re easier to find as pros. Maybe. It doesn't work though if these guys lose their trade value like you said. 

[tom webster]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

That's been my view for quite a while. There is a balance in these things but for the most part they draft too much on speed and skill analytics and not enough on size and character. hence we have to trade for a Malenstyn rather than having several of them in the system. 

My thought is they keep drafting the same way figuring eventually one sticks. Benson for example. But maybe they feel they can trade a surplus of skill guys for the grinders, whoa re easier to find as pros. Maybe. It doesn't work though if these guys lose their trade value like you said. 

Tampa used this model pretty successfully. Drafting for skill, trading for grit has worked for multiple franchises 

[LGR4GM]

5 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

That's been my view for quite a while. There is a balance in these things but for the most part they draft too much on speed and skill analytics and not enough on size and character. hence we have to trade for a Malenstyn rather than having several of them in the system. 

My thought is they keep drafting the same way figuring eventually one sticks. Benson for example. But maybe they feel they can trade a surplus of skill guys for the grinders, whoa re easier to find as pros. Maybe. It doesn't work though if these guys lose their trade value like you said. 

This is wrong. It implies that skilled players can't have character. Ziemer, Benson, Helenius all would prove that suggestion incorrect. Even JJP would prove that wrong, btw he was Helenius' size when drafted. 

Size and "character" get conflated. 

7 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Just saw Östlund got his first point in his 5th game this season. That doesn't sound so good. Is it his linemates?

If you know me I'd have liked to have seen him and Rosen dealt as part of a package for a legit top 6 player. In comparison, Matthew Savoie has been pushing the PPG ballpark with his AHL stints, even when he was younger.

My worry is that if Östlund doesn't improve, his trade value will hit the toilet.

You're comparing a guy who's been in NA his entire career to a guy who's been here for 5 games. I'd probably wait a bit on Östlund. 

[JoeSchmoe]

23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This is wrong. It implies that skilled players can't have character. Ziemer, Benson, Helenius all would prove that suggestion incorrect. Even JJP would prove that wrong, btw he was Helenius' size when drafted. 

Size and "character" get conflated. 

You're comparing a guy who's been in NA his entire career to a guy who's been here for 5 games. I'd probably wait a bit on Östlund. 

Ignoring his start, there's nothing in his history that suggests top 6, and I'm not sure if we need another undersized bottom 6 F. 

Maybe he had little to no trade value already, but we should have packaged him for a top 6 F.

Interestingly, the two guys Adams reached on (Rosen and Östlund) have not performed well, while the guys that fell to him (Peterka, Benson, Kulich) have all exceeded expectations. There's a lesson here.

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Ignoring his start, there's nothing in his history that suggests top 6, and I'm not sure if we need another undersized bottom 6 F. 

Maybe he had little to no trade value already, but we should have packaged him for a top 6 F.

Interestingly, the two guys Adams reached on (Rosen and Östlund) have not performed well, while the guys that fell to him (Peterka, Benson, Kulich) have all exceeded expectations. There's a lesson here.

Kevyn traded up for Peterka. 

Idk what Östlund will become, I had Kulich over him in their draft yr and that is still right. Rosen, I don't think makes it. 

[sabresparaavida]

23 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Ignoring his start, there's nothing in his history that suggests top 6, and I'm not sure if we need another undersized bottom 6 F. 

Maybe he had little to no trade value already, but we should have packaged him for a top 6 F.

Interestingly, the two guys Adams reached on (Rosen and Östlund) have not performed well, while the guys that fell to him (Peterka, Benson, Kulich) have all exceeded expectations. There's a lesson here.

Rosen was a reach, but Östlund was within his expected draft range IMO. Rosen was expected to go between 16-31, and we took him with the 13th pick (14OA). Östlund had a bit more variance with his value, but most had him in the 13-21 range, with some outliers having him later. 

[JoeSchmoe]

40 minutes ago, sabresparaavida said:

Rosen was a reach, but Östlund was within his expected draft range IMO. Rosen was expected to go between 16-31, and we took him with the 13th pick (14OA). Östlund had a bit more variance with his value, but most had him in the 13-21 range, with some outliers having him later. 

Here's what it says on Elite Prospects. Unless this is wrong, he was a major reach.

[Porous Five Hole]

https://pickinsplinters.com/2024/10/23/early-scoring-success-hasnt-changed-how-amerks-kozak-plays-hockey/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3xkQj0dYgZ6xRIgDrR5j081hUpHFf3mxOaSdr7dfSon_mra8g61RxGcZk_aem_BidyB0_x-xMBGfYCJakT9Q
 

A write up on the game with a focus on Kozak. Also, I’m such a Rochesterian. My phone wanted to auto-correct Kozak to Kodak lol

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Here's what it says on Elite Prospects. Unless this is wrong, he was a major reach.

Yea but you flip him and Kulich and it's not. Kulich slid but should have been the Östlund pick. 

Also, I'd urge patience with Östlund. 

[Flashsabre]

The Rosen hate by some is fascinating. When you actually take the time to watch him play you see a very interesting player. Tremendous wheels, rocket of a shot, good sense and playmaking, works hard defensively. And he has produced as a young player in the AHL. 

[shrader]

46 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

The Rosen hate by some is fascinating. When you actually take the time to watch him play you see a very interesting player. Tremendous wheels, rocket of a shot, good sense and playmaking, works hard defensively. And he has produced as a young player in the AHL. 

We're also writing off Östlund in here at the very start of his first year in North America.  Are you really that surprised?