Amerks 24/25 - Young Talented Roster

[Mr. Allen]

7 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that Quinn dominated in the AHL... Like really dominated. Where is he now? 

We don't need to keep being the youngest team in the league. He's so far from being able to contribute... If he ever does.

It's way easier said than done, but let's use him as part of a package to get a legit top 6 F or top 4 D. Let's see who can't afford to sign all their vets this summer and make a deal. 

No way.  He’s what this organization needs.  Keep him here.  Trade someone else.  

[Archie Lee]

8 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that Quinn dominated in the AHL... Like really dominated. Where is he now? 

We don't need to keep being the youngest team in the league. He's so far from being able to contribute... If he ever does.

It's way easier said than done, but let's use him as part of a package to get a legit top 6 F or top 4 D. Let's see who can't afford to sign all their vets this summer and make a deal. 

I’m not opposed to trading a prospect or two. Since we are overflowing with forwards who are legitimately in the NHL now (14 by my count), I would prefer we package 2-3 of our current NHL players for that difference maker. And, no, I don’t mean we can package Lafferty and Malenstyn for a top 6 forward.  

If we are not prepared to move on from a Quinn, a Kulich, or a Benson, then we are really just running another young team back and again hoping for internal development to carry us there. If we are going to trade our way to being better next season, and not simply be passive and wait for internal growth, then we need to bring in talented players and be willing to move on from some young roster players. The beauty of this is that it still leaves us a strong prospect pool. A good GM can manage these waves. 

There would be nothing wrong with the Sabres having Östlund or Rosen or Novikov playing an important role at some point next year. Contending NHL teams have such players on their team all the time (see: Knies, Lundell, Samoskevich, Sanderson, Grieg, Jarvis, Jackson Blake, Nemec, just from Eastern playoff teams). What you can’t have and be successful is all 3 on the roster plus Kulich and Benson and Power and Levi…etc.. Layering these young players onto the roster and moving some out at the appropriate time for veterans is the answer. Adams’s big error, in my view, was not being willing to move out any of the kids from the first wave to make the NHL (Peterka, Quinn, Benson, Kulich). It might pay off long-term, but he needlessly squandered 2-3 years when they could have been in the playoffs. 

[PromoTheRobot]

9 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that Quinn dominated in the AHL... Like really dominated. Where is he now? 

We don't need to keep being the youngest team in the league. He's so far from being able to contribute... If he ever does.

It's way easier said than done, but let's use him as part of a package to get a legit top 6 F or top 4 D. Let's see who can't afford to sign all their vets this summer and make a deal. 

So I'm confused. Is being a great player in the AHL a good thing, or not?

(You're also ignoring Quinn's injury history in the NHL. That might have something to do with his lack of impact.)

Edited yesterday at 01:29 PM by PromoTheRobot

[JoeSchmoe]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

So I'm confused. Is being a great player in the AHL a good thing, or not?

(You're also ignoring Quinn's injury history in the NHL. That might have something to do with his lack of impact.)

The point is, if we trade/package him for a proven player this summer, we can end the cycle of being the youngest team in the league whose veterans eventually lose their love of the game and leave. 

[PromoTheRobot]

7 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

The point is, if we trade/package him for a proven player this summer, we can end the cycle of being the youngest team in the league whose veterans eventually lose their love of the game and leave. 

There are other players I'd rather move. Rosen for one.

[Mr. Allen]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

There are other players I'd rather move. Rosen for one.

Quinn, Rosen, Helenius, maybe even Kulich and Peterka (if they don’t want to be here).  I’m high on what Östlund could possibly bring.  

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

Quinn, Rosen, Helenius, maybe even Kulich and Peterka (if they don’t want to be here).  I’m high on what Östlund could possibly bring.  

One of these things is not like other... 

[Mr. Allen]

33 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

One of these things is not like other... 

I know.  But that’s why I put the part in parenthesis.  If Peterka lets it be known he won’t sign an extension then he’s a young player to trade for an established vet.  Peterka would just get a better vet than the others. 

[shrader]

If he pans out and they walk away with three legit NHL centers out of that first round, that’s one hell of a win. If we’re stuck with an annual rebuild, that’s at least a very nice building block. 

[Mr. Allen]

12 minutes ago, shrader said:

If he pans out and they walk away with three legit NHL centers out of that first round, that’s one hell of a win. If we’re stuck with an annual rebuild, that’s at least a very nice building block. 

If he pans out it takes away the sting even more from that Eichel trade.  Tuch is obviously the best piece from that trade, but Östlund could be a major piece if he continues to develop.