bob_sauve28 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago I'm McLovin this trade! Great job KA! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago The hockey world scoffed at the Sabres for giving up bonafide superstar in the making Mathew Savoie for a bottom six defensive forward with limited upside. It seems like a pretty solid trade at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenWillItEnd66 Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago It is a small sample size, but this is exactly what the Sabres were missing. That is what made the trade good for the Sabres. He is defensively sound, fast, a bit of grit and some skill. We have missed having someone like that in the bottom 6 for awhile, and now we have 3 or 4 of them. Once the injured speedster comes back it will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago On 7/5/2024 at 4:34 PM, Brawndo said: Peterka-Tage-Tuch Benson-Cozen-Quinn Zucker-McLeod-Greenway NAK-Lafferty/Krebs-Malenstyn Looks better then it did this morning Amazing how after years of us trying to put lines together that we nailed this basically from the start. Almost like the Sabres built and actual forward group. Still worried about the depth but at least McLeod is rolling. Savoie btw has 1g, 2a in 3AHL games. Just in case anyone was curious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, inkman said: The hockey world scoffed at the Sabres for giving up bonafide superstar in the making Mathew Savoie for a bottom six defensive forward with limited upside. It seems like a pretty solid trade at this point. Did anyone, even in here, ever actually use that label? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 15 minutes ago, shrader said: Did anyone, even in here, ever actually use that label? No. McLeod’s play so far this season has been a huge bonus for the team. The instant chemistry between Greenway Zucker and McLeod has been a huge help to the team so far and has bought time for the failing 2nd line to find their games. If McLeod plays like this all season, the trade will go down as KA’s best trade since the tear down. Of course, McLeod is in a contract year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 35 minutes ago, shrader said: Did anyone, even in here, ever actually use that label? This place wasn’t the issue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Again, EP has this guy and y'all should follow him. Makes that Matt Larkin tweet look silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago From earlier in this thread... On 7/5/2024 at 2:07 PM, DarthEbriate said: Last year, Cozens had a slow start, then his concussion. It took him a long time to look himself, but HCDG always kept him in the top 6. McLeod will likely only ever be a 3C on this roster as well, but he has the 200' game to push on Cozens if injuries/slumps take place. Ruff will mix-match lines and ice time and this is a good piece for that. Now, I didn't expect the slump/TOI items to come to fruition this early in the season, but such is life. One thing to note, you can easily call the 3rd veteran line the 2nd line, and call the kid line the 3rd line, and then think back to Vanek-Roy-Pominville's 3rd line/Kid Line debut in 05-06. Their ages: Vanek 22 - Roy 22 - Pominville 23 compared to Benson 19/Kulich 20 - Cozens 23 - Quinn 23. Cozens turns 24 midseason, but it makes sense that they are still going through growing pains. Vanek was healthy scratched in those 05-06 playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Savoie may end up being a very good NHL player someday - and so might Cozens, Quinn, Kulich, Östlund, Benson, Rosen, Wahlberg, and Helenius. But we cannot play all of them on the same roster. The trade of Savoie for McLoed was to get better right now, and pave the way for better development of these younger players in the future. The Savoie trade is about the next 2 years for Buffalo. For Edmonton they have a future piece that might be a good one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 34 minutes ago, inkman said: This place wasn’t the issue Well the middle guy is from here isn’t he? But anyway, as for that list, all I have to say is “who?”. I feel like I’m looking at the equivalent of the wider internet version of this place. But anyway, there’s a lot of time left for this story to be told. McLeod sure does fit right now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Savoie may end up being a very good NHL player someday - and so might Cozens, Quinn, Kulich, Östlund, Benson, Rosen, Wahlberg, and Helenius. But we cannot play all of them on the same roster. The trade of Savoie for McLoed was to get better right now, and pave the way for better development of these younger players in the future. The Savoie trade is about the next 2 years for Buffalo. For Edmonton they have a future piece that might be a good one. Savoie could end up on McDavid’s wing and score more points in one season than McLeod scores in 3 years with the Sabres and it could still be an excellent trade from a Sabres perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM88 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago I think he is on a hot streak right now likely to cool off. But on occasion a player gets a new chance with a new team and just takes off. Zach Hyman had 86 goals in 6 years for Toronto. Then he moves to Edmonton and gets more chances and more minutes to score 117 goals in 3 seasons there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Savoie could end up on McDavid’s wing and score more points in one season than McLeod scores in 3 years with the Sabres and it could still be an excellent trade from a Sabres perspective. If McLoed helps get us to a playoff berth after 13 years of pain then the trade accomplished something. If Savioe become a star and the prospects that we kept do not, then that will be debated for years to come, but you have to do something to help the team right now. There is no doubt today that Savoie is not NHL ready right now and that Kulich appears to be showing us that he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 53 minutes ago, inkman said: This place wasn’t the issue I think it's time we all circle back to @gregkash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 minutes ago, EM88 said: I think he is on a hot streak right now likely to cool off. But on occasion a player gets a new chance with a new team and just takes off. Zach Hyman had 86 goals in 6 years for Toronto. Then he moves to Edmonton and gets more chances and more minutes to score 117 goals in 3 seasons there. This happens all the time over the decades of watching hockey. I doubt that the old powder blue Pittsburgh Penguins knew that Rene Robert would score 40 goals and 100 points either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Pimlach said: If McLoed helps get us to a playoff berth after 13 years of pain then the trade accomplished something. If Savioe become a star and the prospects that we kept do not, then that will be debated for years to come, but you have to do something to help the team right now. There is no doubt today that Savoie is not NHL ready right now and that Kulich appears to be showing us that he is. I don’t think the guys we kept matter at all in this case. There’s way too much conjecture there: Would Buffalo have moved someone else instead? Would Edmonton have taken anyone else? I think this one makes a ton of sense with these exact pieces and it’s best left at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago I’m thrilled with what I’ve seen from McLeod so far. However 7 games does not a season make nor is it adequate to evaluate a trade. So far so good is all we can say and hope it continues all season. I am glad that Lindy is increasing the PT for the “3rd” line as they have earned the PT with their play. Hopefully, their fine play will take the pressure off the Cozens line and allow them to play more relaxed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago It still amazes me that people are amazed when you see significant progress from a player when they hit their 24/25 year old season Way too many people write of players / prospects before they actually mature you would think people would learn but knowing the flack Power and Cozens gets, I know they won't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted 58 minutes ago Report Share Posted 58 minutes ago McLeod is fast. He might be in the top 5 fastest guys in the NHL. Last year he was measured at skating 23.82mph during a game. For comparison, in all the games, ice time, and Minutes McDavid played, he topped out at 22.72mph. Last year Eichel's best was 23.51. So yeah, with the pads on skating in the game....McLeod is fast. But, his hands I think are under-rated. Now, he doesn't have a hard shot. I don't think he is going to be putting one-timers in the net from the faceoff circle on the PP, and he's not beating many goalies with a slap shot from 30 feet out. But we have seen, he is very dangerous right in front of the net. More than many players we think are 'better'. So the question is, can he keep putting himself in positon to be coming in on the goalie at speed and get off shots there? If he can get 50+ shots off like that over the course of a season, he may very well end up being a 20-25 goal scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted 55 minutes ago Report Share Posted 55 minutes ago 17 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: I’m thrilled with what I’ve seen from McLeod so far. However 7 games does not a season make nor is it adequate to evaluate a trade. So far so good is all we can say and hope it continues all season. I am glad that Lindy is increasing the PT for the “3rd” line as they have earned the PT with their play. Hopefully, their fine play will take the pressure off the Cozens line and allow them to play more relaxed. I don’t think we can properly evaluate the trade until Savoie becomes a full time NHL player. He’s doing OK currently in the A, so I’m guessing next year is when he makes the jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 51 minutes ago Report Share Posted 51 minutes ago 9 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: It still amazes me that people are amazed when you see significant progress from a player when they hit their 24/25 year old season Way too many people write of players / prospects before they actually mature you would think people would learn but knowing the flack Power and Cozens gets, I know they won't While there is some truth in your comment, for many players you kind of know what they are by 22. They may not be fully physically mature, but their games are pretty close to what we should expect. Take Eichel for example. He has yet to top his pt total from age 22 or his goal total from age 23. He is basically a pt a fame player who, if he plays a full season, will score 25-30 and add about 50-60 assists. The problem with Cozens is regression. Injuries are a factor, but also I think his game has slipped. He broke out at 21, regressed last year at 22 from 68 pts to 47 and now at 23 he has 2 pts in 8 games (20 pts pace). This is terrible production from the 2nd line center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted 44 minutes ago Report Share Posted 44 minutes ago 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: I don’t think we can properly evaluate the trade until Savoie becomes a full time NHL player. He’s doing OK currently in the A, so I’m guessing next year is when he makes the jump. It may be a decade before we can adequately evaluate this trade. Does McLeod keep up the scoring this season and beyond? Will he be re-signed this off-season and if so how long does he last with the Sabres? When (if?) does Savoie make the NHL? What’s his production? How long does he last with the Oilers? What impact does either guy have on their new teams? The trade perception will also be affected by how our other prospects do relative to Savoie. It may not be fair since we don’t know who Edm asked for or whom Adams refused to part with, but the comparisons will be made; such as why did we keep Kulich and Östlund over Savoie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcus Posted 26 minutes ago Report Share Posted 26 minutes ago I have to wonder if the Oilers would not have made this move if they knew they were going to lose Holloway and Broberg. From the Oilers point of view it was a forward looking money issue I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted 19 minutes ago Report Share Posted 19 minutes ago 48 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: It still amazes me that people are amazed when you see significant progress from a player when they hit their 24/25 year old season Way too many people write of players / prospects before they actually mature you would think people would learn but knowing the flack Power and Cozens gets, I know they won't 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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