Trade: C Ryan McLeod - Oilers for Matt Savoie

[Archie Lee]

Some re-draft thoughts re: McLeod and Savoie. 

McLeod went 40th in 2018. He is 17th in games played and points from that class.  If 2018 was redrafted he is most definitely a 1st rd pick, maybe top 25. 

Savoie went 9th. I think his injury history and his failure to rise to the occasion on the biggest stages since (underwhelming performances in the World Juniors and Mem Cup) have lowered his stock. He’s still a first rounder on redraft, but might go late teens or maybe low 20’s  

I’ve seen some twitter stuff about the Oilers getting a 9th oa for a 40th oa. This is quite misleading, though Savoie still has the much higher ceiling if he hits. 

Also, a player who is linked to this trade by the impact it has on his roster position is Krebs.  He was 17th in the 2019 draft  he is 6th in GP and 16th in points in the class. Way too soon to call him a bust, though perhaps not too soon to say he isn’t likely to hit as high as what we hoped when considering he was a centre-piece of the Eichel trade. 
 

 

 

 

[Big Guava]

13 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I’m gonna disagree.  I think Greenway is very effective defensively, and on the PK.  He has a physical side to his game.  His playing speed is fast enough and it may be complimentary to the others.  I want to keep him and see.  

Also has a very long reach with that stick and can be sneaky effective offensively although it seems to come in spurts where he will score a few goals in a game and then nothing for 15 games.

[triumph_communes]

7 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Some re-draft thoughts re: McLeod and Savoie. 

McLeod went 40th in 2018. He is 17th in games played and points from that class.  If 2018 was redrafted he is most definitely a 1st rd pick, maybe top 25. 

Savoie went 9th. I think his injury history and his failure to rise to the occasion on the biggest stages since (underwhelming performances in the World Juniors and Mem Cup) have lowered his stock. He’s still a first rounder on redraft, but might go late teens or maybe low 20’s  

I’ve seen some twitter stuff about the Oilers getting a 9th oa for a 40th oa. This is quite misleading, though Savoie still has the much higher ceiling if he hits. 

Also, a player who is linked to this trade by the impact it has on his roster position is Krebs.  He was 17th in the 2019 draft  he is 6th in GP and 16th in points in the class. Way too soon to call him a bust, though perhaps not too soon to say he isn’t likely to hit as high as what we hoped when considering he was a centre-piece of the Eichel trade. 
 

 

 

 

Krebs was a part of a weak draft though

[Archie Lee]

8 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Krebs was a part of a weak draft though

I’m not sure. I think 2018 and 2019 are considered average draft classes. Krebs with 66 points is 16th in scoring in the 2019 class. McLeod with 75 points is 17th from the year earlier. That’s not a scientific evaluation, but if I would bet Krebs will have more than 75 points when this year is over. 

[Doohicksie]

3 hours ago, stinky finger said:

Rumor has it, when you pan down the hickster is sporting one of these guys as well.

 

 

[Doohicksie]

2 hours ago, ska-T Chitown said:

LOL, right? It is similar to baseball.

Yeah I was gonna mention baseball too but I felt like I'd already blathered on long enough.

[PotentPowerPlay21]

In this offseason summary, the Oilers get Jeff Skinner and Matt Savoie from the Sabres and Buffalo gets Ryan McLeod and a bag of pucks and still has to pay Skinner a boatload of cash. Kevyn Adams worked his magic! 

[Taro T]

Interesting how the Eulers seem to have come to the conclusion the reason they couldn't get that 1 extra win was not enough firepower (at least based on their Sabre related moves).  Foegele out as a FA; Skinner in.  McLeod out; Savoie in.

Really not the conclusion most outsiders would've come to IMHO.

[Doohicksie]

2 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

Oilers fans are just looking for outs 

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

I don’t think so. I think he’s just one of those guys where the public focus turned more to his flaws than his strengths.

With the Oilers and the focus on McDavid and scoring, I can see what the fan base would be sour on a guy that doesn't score that much and not look for his other talents.

[Doohicksie]

3 minutes ago, PotentPowerPlay21 said:

pay Skinner a boatload of cash.

Incorrect.  They're only paying him $3 million.

The Sabres bought him out; he'll be on the Sabres' books for some time.

[Flashsabre]

 

[Taro T]

Still wouldn't be surprised to see 1 more move later this summer, but if this is the roster, as others had mentioned that Krebs was being discussed as a winger & with how compared to the rest of the bottom 6 Greenway skates like his blades are rusted; starting to wonder too if it isn't Greenway as the 13th F and Krebs clinging to that 3W spot.

It does give Ruff some flexibility as they are very different players.

(And again, still believe Adams is trying to work 1 more deal that'd put Benson onto the 3rd line & both Krebs & Greenway into the pressbox or out the door.)

Edited July 7 by Taro T
Fixed typo

[Crusader1969]

15 hours ago, Pimlach said:

I’m gonna disagree.  I think Greenway is very effective defensively, and on the PK.  He has a physical side to his game.  His playing speed is fast enough and it may be complimentary to the others.  I want to keep him and see.  

He's a good 3rd line player.  I agree, I think he remains there to start the season as 3rd line LW 

 

[Crusader1969]

40 minutes ago, PotentPowerPlay21 said:

In this offseason summary, the Oilers get Jeff Skinner and Matt Savoie from the Sabres and Buffalo gets Ryan McLeod and a bag of pucks and still has to pay Skinner a boatload of cash. Kevyn Adams worked his magic! 

I would have take less than a bag of picks to get rid of Skinner and saving $7.4 million on the cap 

[That Aud Smell]

27 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Greenway skates like his blades are rusted; starting to wonder too if it isn't Greenway as the 13th F

I was reflexively defending Greenway until today. Because it occurred to me: Greenway was brought in as a Granato guy. Ruff may not have much use for him?

Otoh, Greenway’s PK numbers were quite good, were they not?

[Doohicksie]

I think it's likely that Greenway is a "transitional" guy.  He's signed for one more year.  I don't think he'll be a Sabre beyond that.

[Taro T]

49 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

I was reflexively defending Greenway until today. Because it occurred to me: Greenway was brought in as a Granato guy. Ruff may not have much use for him?

Otoh, Greenway’s PK numbers were quite good, were they not?

Could see him being played against certain opponents & somebody else (Krebs) getting different ones.

Ruff used to rotate the bottom the lineup guys in & out depending on the opponent.  Don't see a reason for that to not happen again.

[Broken Ankles]

1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said:

I was reflexively defending Greenway until today. Because it occurred to me: Greenway was brought in as a Granato guy. Ruff may not have much use for him?

Otoh, Greenway’s PK numbers were quite good, were they not?

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=pk&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=BUF&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
 

Sabres PK stats above from Natural Stat Trick.  Greenway had the best GA/60 rate than any Sabre with significant minutes.  I expect McLeod and Beck to take the lion share of minutes but the question is who are the forwards slotted for 3 & 4.  Last year it was Cozens and Tuch.  If Greenway is not part of a trade than I would presume he gets third TOI leaving the 4 spot open.  I am more concerned about the deployment of Defensemen.  With Mules injury, Power took an excessive number of minutes and wasn’t very good.  No new faces, so what’s the plan there?  Clifton and Mule?  Dahlin and Power.  Hope Samuelsson stays healthy? 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

Interesting how the Eulers seem to have come to the conclusion the reason they couldn't get that 1 extra win was not enough firepower (at least based on their Sabre related moves).  Foegele out as a FA; Skinner in.  McLeod out; Savoie in.

Really not the conclusion most outsiders would've come to IMHO.

You make a keen observation about an organization objectively evaluating their team and season. The penetrating questions were asked: What happened and what do we have to do differently to get across the finish line. Edmonton recognized that scoring had to be spread out more widely beyond the big two. They took decisive actions to make the corrections. That's good management. 

[dudacek]

45 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=pk&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=BUF&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
 

Sabres PK stats above from Natural Stat Trick.  Greenway had the best GA/60 rate than any Sabre with significant minutes.  I expect McLeod and Beck to take the lion share of minutes but the question is who are the forwards slotted for 3 & 4.  Last year it was Cozens and Tuch.  If Greenway is not part of a trade than I would presume he gets third TOI leaving the 4 spot open.  I am more concerned about the deployment of Defensemen.  With Mules injury, Power took an excessive number of minutes and wasn’t very good.  No new faces, so what’s the plan there?  Clifton and Mule?  Dahlin and Power.  Hope Samuelsson stays healthy? 

Yeah, what Lindy does with both special teams really fascinates me.

I liked Greenway and Cozens in that role last year, and I like Tuch there as well.

But the Sabres added a ton of guys who have done that job elsewhere and done it well.

Samuelsson will be the key guy on the back end. I disagree a bit on Power. I thought he grew into the role as they fed him more minutes as the season progressed.

He has the length and hockey IQ to excel in the role as he gains experience.

Clifton would be the 3rd and I'd go with Dahlin as #4. Donnie prefered to save him for more 5-on5 minutes, but I think Byram's presence should ease that need somewhat.

Lindy has a history of balanced deployment in terms of minutes, so it will be interesting to see where that goes.

[Taro T]

24 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Yeah, what Lindy does with both special teams really fascinates me.

I liked Greenway and Cozens in that role last year, and I like Tuch there as well.

But the Sabres added a ton of guys who have done that job elsewhere and done it well.

Samuelsson will be the key guy on the back end. I disagree a bit on Power. I thought he grew into the role as they fed him more minutes as the season progressed.

He has the length and hockey IQ to excel in the role as he gains experience.

Clifton would be the 3rd and I'd go with Dahlin as #4. Donnie prefered to save him for more 5-on5 minutes, but I think Byram's presence should ease that need somewhat.

Lindy has a history of balanced deployment in terms of minutes, so it will be interesting to see where that goes.

Lindy has historically deployed minutes in a balanced fashion on the back line.  But he never had a Dahlin before.

He's going to ride Ras hard.

But not sure if Ras will be the 4 or the 5 as far as rotation into the PK is concerned.  Remember, he tends to be the D-man in the box if one took the 2 minutes.  Jokiharju is decent on the PK.  Could see him or the new guy (if he's not the 7) slotting in front of Dahlin usually on the PK.

[Big Guava]

5 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

Some re-draft thoughts re: McLeod and Savoie. 

McLeod went 40th in 2018. He is 17th in games played and points from that class.  If 2018 was redrafted he is most definitely a 1st rd pick, maybe top 25. 

Savoie went 9th. I think his injury history and his failure to rise to the occasion on the biggest stages since (underwhelming performances in the World Juniors and Mem Cup) have lowered his stock. He’s still a first rounder on redraft, but might go late teens or maybe low 20’s  

I’ve seen some twitter stuff about the Oilers getting a 9th oa for a 40th oa. This is quite misleading, though Savoie still has the much higher ceiling if he hits. 

Also, a player who is linked to this trade by the impact it has on his roster position is Krebs.  He was 17th in the 2019 draft  he is 6th in GP and 16th in points in the class. Way too soon to call him a bust, though perhaps not too soon to say he isn’t likely to hit as high as what we hoped when considering he was a centre-piece of the Eichel trade. 
 

 

 

 

 

We still have 10 players like Savoie, we need more players like McLeod.

It's about balance. The team needs to be properly balanced with varying skill sets.

[LGR4GM]

 

 

[That Aud Smell]

11 minutes ago, Big Guava said:

 

We still have 10 players like Savoie, we need more players like McLeod.

It's about balance. The team needs to be properly balanced with varying skill sets.

Spreadsheet fandom had Sabre fans crying the blues on Twitter.

[bob_sauve28]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

 

 

Wow, he is good on the rush, it would appear