LGR4GM Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 20 minutes ago, Taro T said: Cirelli is Tampa's 3C & people here have been pining for him for at least 1/2 a decade as surely THIS'LL be the year they can't keep everyone. Well, that year finally came & Cirelli is still there but Stamkos & Sergachev aren't. Defense wins championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Defense wins championships Yes. Is this the point of the show that we list truisms? If so, toast is good w/ bacon & homefries. 😉 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 20 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: There is a story going around online that Savoie missed curfew the night before his debut and then blamed Krebs for it. They were not going to play him at all but his parents flew in for the game so they gave him the least amount of ice time possible. The Sabres sent him back to juniors. Again, a story I have read but there are no sources to back it up so take it with a grain of salt. He looked tentative in his 4 minutes of game time. Gave away the puck at least one time that looked bad. I thought it must be jitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: There is a story going around online that Savoie missed curfew the night before his debut and then blamed Krebs for it. They were not going to play him at all but his parents flew in for the game so they gave him the least amount of ice time possible. The Sabres sent him back to juniors. Again, a story I have read but there are no sources to back it up so take it with a grain of salt. I could see how, there is any truth to this, it would sour his reputation in the org. Probably doesn't reflect well on Krebs either (unless Krebs didn't miss curfew and plausibly denied culpability). Edited July 8 by Doohickie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 14 minutes ago, Taro T said: Yes. Is this the point of the show that we list truisms? If so, toast is good w/ bacon & homefries. 😉 You can't pause toast. It loses its essenceness and possibly its essensa. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 22 minutes ago, Taro T said: Yes. Is this the point of the show that we list truisms? If so, toast is good w/ bacon & homefries. 😉 Pizza is good with beer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Pizza is good with beer. Even Detroit pizza? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 Just now, Doohickie said: Even Detroit pizza? If you have enough beer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 11 hours ago, GrassValleyGreg said: Confirms some whispers I heard of Jack Drury as the target. That’s a shame, like him as a player a bit more than McCleod. Will likely continue to grow as a dominant FO guy. The two will now be linked in Sabres fans’ eyes moving forward. Praying we didn’t settle for the bride’s maid. I think the deal would have been 1:1 with the same prospect going to Carolina. The fact that Tulsky, who is considered one of the smartest minds in hockey, changed his mind on the deal, adds to the belief they moved the right prospect. Drury does have slightly better defensive metrics, but the difference is almost negligible, especially when you take into account he plays in Carolina’s System and players typically do not replicate those results for other teams. McLeod does have better offensive metrics and I believe he could be moved into the 2C position in the event Cozens does not have the expected bounce back 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: You can't pause toast. It loses its essenceness and possibly its essensa. When you pause your toast in the toaster, this is what you get: https://www.saveur.com/article/techniques/burn-your-toast-on-purpose/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ska-T Chitown Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: There's more to life than fancy stats for sure. I am just pointing out that for the last 13 years, most of the analytics community has dumped on the Sabres and the moves they made. This summer, not so much. Idk if McLeod can have the same impact that Cirelli has had, I think that is part of the risk. But for the first time in forever, I don't look at microstats and see red with some more red on top of red when we add these types of dudes. Again, analytics are not the end all be all, but they are a good starting point when the eye test has failed this team for over a decade. I remember seeing some hand-wringing (in general, not by LGR that I recall) about "we already pay cozens 2C money!!" Yet, looking at that social media post, it appears TB decided they could pay their 3C $6.25M. Granted, TB has some rolling cap issues ... but they also have two recent cups. shrug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 (edited) I'm not opposed to KA making moves, but I am opposed to the idea though that this team is somehow going to be better with worse players. Who's the guy that takes us to the next level? Zucker? The guy with 3 names? Lafferty? It seems like he's gotten the worse end of the trade on every deal. In addition, all we've done is improve the bottom of our roster. Was the Sabres fatal flaw last year really our 4th line? Was not having enough Jordan Greenway's really why we aren't in the playoffs? I really don't think so. Our top 6 is objectively less skilled than it was a month ago, and we needed to inject it with more talent then. When I look at the rosters of teams that have been in the Stanley Cup for the last decade+, none of them look like ours. Who are our stars now? Dahlin and... ? Thompson? maybe? Is this the 1999 plan where you're gonna build the team around a bunch of overachievers and the greatest goalie of all time? If so, great, just gotta find that goalie I guess. I won't be floored if Lindy can sneak us into the playoffs this year, but We're absolutely at least super star away from being able to be a threat to anybody. We've dumped 30-40 goals in Skinner, who we won't be able to replace. We dump Girgensons for what seems like a downgrade in Malenstyn. and then added a bunch of career jobbers on 1 year deals. What exactly is the vision for this team? I don't see it. Edited July 8 by BullBuchanan 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 25 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm not opposed to KA making moves, but I am opposed to the idea though that this team is somehow going to be better with worse players. Who's the guy that takes us to the next level? Zucker? The guy with 3 names? Lafferty? It seems like he's gotten the worse end of the trade on every deal. In addition, all we've done is improve the bottom of our roster. Was the Sabres fatal flaw last year really our 4th line? Was not having enough Jordan Greenway's really why we aren't in the playoffs? I really don't think so. Our top 6 is objectively less skilled tihan it was a month ago, and we needed to inject it with more talent then. When I look at the rosters of teams that have been in the Stanley Cup for the last decade+, none of them look like ours. Who are our stars now? Dahlin and... ? Thompson? maybe? Is this the 1999 plan where you're gonna build the team around a bunch of overachievers and the greatest goalie of all time? If so, great, just gotta find that goalie I guess. I won't be floored if Lindy can sneak us into the playoffs this year, but We're absolutely at least super star away from being able to be a threat to anybody. We've dumped 30-40 goals in Skinner, who we won't be able to replace. We dump Girgensons for what seems like a downgrade in Malenstyn. and then added a bunch of career jobbers on 1 year deals. What exactly is the vision for this team? I don't see it. THIS version of this team is NOT a SC contender. It IS a playoff contender. (Please note, saying it is a playoff contender doesn't mean it's a lock to be in.) BUT you have to get to be a playoff contender before you can be a SC contender. Adams timeline for SC contention is IMHO 2 seasons away. UPL should be in his prime & Levi will finally be there too. Dahlin will be squarely in his prime years & Power & Byram will be mid-20's (aka entering theirs) w/ at least 1 of Samuelsson or Johnson able to round out the top 4 & Novikov would likely be available to fill into the top 6 should whatever 2 other guys are rounding out the unit by then get injured/ need support/relief. Yes, Thompson & Tuch are getting long in the tooth by then, bit Peterka, Cozens, & Quinn are all at their primes & there is at least middle 6 talent ready to step up in Kulich, Oslund, & Helenius. And we haven't even mentioned Benson nor McLeod nor should he still be in the organization Wahlberg. Find a couple other useful bottom 6ers & you're cooking w/ gas. And all Adams has taken from that squad is a 2nd round pick that wouldn't be ready to help anyway and Savoie who still would need to beat out all those other guys plus Rosen. The future looks bright. (But you can never count on the future.) But the present looks alright too & there could still be another move or 2 to happen. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krakensabr56390 Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, Taro T said: THIS version of this team is NOT a SC contender. It IS a playoff contender. (Please note, saying it is a playoff contender doesn't mean it's a lock to be in.) BUT you have to get to be a playoff contender before you can be a SC contender. Adams timeline for SC contention is IMHO 2 seasons away. UPL should be in his prime & Levi will finally be there too. Dahlin will be squarely in his prime years & Power & Byram will be mid-20's (aka entering theirs) w/ at least 1 of Samuelsson or Johnson able to round out the top 4 & Novikov would likely be available to fill into the top 6 should whatever 2 other guys are rounding out the unit by then get injured/ need support/relief. Yes, Thompson & Tuch are getting long in the tooth by then, bit Peterka, Cozens, & Quinn are all at their primes & there is at least middle 6 talent ready to step up in Kulich, Oslund, & Helenius. And we haven't even mentioned Benson nor McLeod nor should he still be in the organization Wahlberg. Find a couple other useful bottom 6ers & you're cooking w/ gas. And all Adams has taken from that squad is a 2nd round pick that wouldn't be ready to help anyway and Savoie who still would need to beat out all those other guys plus Rosen. The future looks bright. (But you can never count on the future.) But the present looks alright too & there could still be another move or 2 to happen. Good points and keep in mind that 2nd is sort of free anyways since we prob draft Helenius at 11 if we don’t move down anyways… it didn’t exist in the stockpile before last week and had zero sunk player cost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm not opposed to KA making moves, but I am opposed to the idea though that this team is somehow going to be better with worse players. Who's the guy that takes us to the next level? Zucker? The guy with 3 names? Lafferty? It seems like he's gotten the worse end of the trade on every deal. In addition, all we've done is improve the bottom of our roster. Was the Sabres fatal flaw last year really our 4th line? Was not having enough Jordan Greenway's really why we aren't in the playoffs? I really don't think so. Our top 6 is objectively less skilled than it was a month ago, and we needed to inject it with more talent then. When I look at the rosters of teams that have been in the Stanley Cup for the last decade+, none of them look like ours. Who are our stars now? Dahlin and... ? Thompson? maybe? Is this the 1999 plan where you're gonna build the team around a bunch of overachievers and the greatest goalie of all time? If so, great, just gotta find that goalie I guess. I won't be floored if Lindy can sneak us into the playoffs this year, but We're absolutely at least super star away from being able to be a threat to anybody. We've dumped 30-40 goals in Skinner, who we won't be able to replace. We dump Girgensons for what seems like a downgrade in Malenstyn. and then added a bunch of career jobbers on 1 year deals. What exactly is the vision for this team? I don't see it. A very fair post. Admittedly, the moves so far this offseason do have an overall flavour closer to, “at least we can do this.” rather than “this is our avenue to success.” Moves that keep the playoffs in reason, rather than moves that make us think playoffs are likely and get us thinking about perhaps more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guava Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 23 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Spreadsheet fandom had Sabre fans crying the blues on Twitter. Because most fans have the IQ of a rock or their picket fence. 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm not opposed to KA making moves, but I am opposed to the idea though that this team is somehow going to be better with worse players. Who's the guy that takes us to the next level? Zucker? The guy with 3 names? Lafferty? It seems like he's gotten the worse end of the trade on every deal. In addition, all we've done is improve the bottom of our roster. Was the Sabres fatal flaw last year really our 4th line? Was not having enough Jordan Greenway's really why we aren't in the playoffs? I really don't think so. Our top 6 is objectively less skilled than it was a month ago, and we needed to inject it with more talent then. When I look at the rosters of teams that have been in the Stanley Cup for the last decade+, none of them look like ours. Who are our stars now? Dahlin and... ? Thompson? maybe? Is this the 1999 plan where you're gonna build the team around a bunch of overachievers and the greatest goalie of all time? If so, great, just gotta find that goalie I guess. I won't be floored if Lindy can sneak us into the playoffs this year, but We're absolutely at least super star away from being able to be a threat to anybody. We've dumped 30-40 goals in Skinner, who we won't be able to replace. We dump Girgensons for what seems like a downgrade in Malenstyn. and then added a bunch of career jobbers on 1 year deals. What exactly is the vision for this team? I don't see it. Quinn will be if he stays healthy and Peterka could be a 40 goal scorer. I would definitely expect a bounce back year from Cozens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 (edited) Is there a competition around here where the person lowest on Jack Quinn gets exiled from the board or something? I’m as high on him as anyone (see: or, at least I thought I was (I’ve predicted he’ll become our best F)) but the level of projection certainty seems to be bordering on absurd. I’ll probably get torched for this, and it’s not like the more bullish predictions cant or won’t happen. But I’m seeing a fair bit of commentary along the lines of, “oh Quinn just needs to stay healthy and he’s got 30-40 goals easy” he had 9 last year, injuries or not. He’s got 24 since being drafted 4 years ago. We kinda have to wait and see what happens when he GETS a ton more games and minutes…basically I just hope it’s not also the GM’s plan to bank on an 80 point season from him or something Edited July 8 by Thorny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 3 minutes ago, Thorny said: Is there a competition around here where the person lowest on Jack Quinn gets exiled from the board or something? I’m as high on him as anyone (see: or, at least I thought I was (I’ve predicted he’ll become our best F)) but the level of projection certainty seems to be bordering on absurd. I’ll probably get torched for this, and it’s not like the more bullish predictions cant or won’t happen. But I’m seeing a fair bit of “oh Quinn just needs to stay healthy and he’s got 40 goals easy” he had 9 last year, injuries or not. He’s got 24 since being drafted 4 years ago. We kinda have to wait and see what happens when he GETS a ton more games and minutes…basically I just hope it’s not also the GM’s plan to bank on an 80 point season from him or something Everything shows that Quinn is very capable of 30+ goals with a full heathy season. I’m not going to deposit any assumption he’ll get 80 pts though. Give me 60 pts from both him and Peterka and we are likely looking very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 minute ago, thewookie1 said: Everything shows that Quinn is very capable of 30+ goals with a full heathy season. I’m not going to deposit any assumption he’ll get 80 pts though. Give me 60 pts from both him and Peterka and we are likely looking very good. Ya. Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 Jack Quinn's my favourite player on my favourite team. I'm not exactly sure why. But, hey, I know what I like and I know it when I see it. I just love the young man's game. All that said, 30 goals is a lot - even by modern NHL standards. (Scoring is up, right?) I do think Quinn has some 30 goal seasons in him, provided he can stay healthy. But I'm not sure when those seasons will occur. And I'm not sure they'll be the norm. In the meantime, let's just pray for his health and the evolution of his game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said: Jack Quinn's my favourite player on my favourite team. I'm not exactly sure why. But, hey, I know what I like and I know it when I see it. I just love the young man's game. All that said, 30 goals is a lot - even by modern NHL standards. (Scoring is up, right?) I do think Quinn has some 30 goal seasons in him, provided he can stay healthy. But I'm not sure when those seasons will occur. And I'm not sure they'll be the norm. In the meantime, let's just pray for his health and the evolution of his game. Lord knows I'm not the expert, but if Quinn gives us 82 games, I don't think 30 Gs are unreasonable. I'd expect it actually. Maybe I'm shooting too high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 8 Report Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said: Jack Quinn's my favourite player on my favourite team. I'm not exactly sure why. But, hey, I know what I like and I know it when I see it. I just love the young man's game. All that said, 30 goals is a lot - even by modern NHL standards. (Scoring is up, right?) I do think Quinn has some 30 goal seasons in him, provided he can stay healthy. But I'm not sure when those seasons will occur. And I'm not sure they'll be the norm. In the meantime, let's just pray for his health and the evolution of his game. This is interesting. I'm not one of "those people" making predictions about Quinn, however my impression has been that Quinn is expected to be a goal scorer. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 9 minutes ago, ... said: This is interesting. I'm not one of "those people" making predictions about Quinn, however my impression has been that Quinn is expected to be a goal scorer. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case? It’s the case. I’m pretty sure he was the highest goal scorer in his draft class (52 goals in 62 games) and he got 26 goals in 45 games as a rookie in Rochester. Add in a goal every 3 games pace last season without time on the PP and the expectation is definitely there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 13 minutes ago, ... said: This is interesting. I'm not one of "those people" making predictions about Quinn, however my impression has been that Quinn is expected to be a goal scorer. Is that not the case? Was it ever the case? He was talked up as potentially the best goal scorer of his draft class. He put up 52 in his draft season. @Thorny, he was ahead of Peterka prior to the injury and JJ just put up 28 last year. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that he should surpass him again if/when healthy. Those 9 goals, by the way, were in only 27 games. That projects out to 27 over a full season. 30 should be easily within grasp, again, if/when healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 9 Report Share Posted July 9 41 minutes ago, stinky finger said: Lord knows I'm not the expert, but if Quinn gives us 82 games, I don't think 30 Gs are unreasonable. I'd expect it actually. Maybe I'm shooting too high? Not really, not if you aren’t a GM responsible for the result, and not just hindsight plausibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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