Crusader1969 Posted September 5, 2024 Report Posted September 5, 2024 On 8/30/2024 at 11:42 PM, Porous Five Hole said: I remember Kevyn being excited about the Russians from 2021. Still only 21 today, but almost all duds in terms of NHL potential. Poltapov has ten goals in 112 KHL games (although positive plus minus in both years so maybe a potential 4th line guy?), Kisakov is a non factor so far in Rochester, and Sardarian can’t score in college despite being 21 and just finishing his sophomore campaign. 6th round pick Novikov might be the best of the class. Was pretty steady on there blue line for a rookie in ROC last year. Expand One thing I can't stand is people looking at stats and making a judgement on Poltapov. The man is a beast and brings everything to the game that the Sabres need Please don't take my word for it, but how about Kris Baker who watches almost every game he's played? If you follow or listen to Kris, you will know how he feels about Poltapov 1 Quote
Thorner Posted September 5, 2024 Report Posted September 5, 2024 On 9/5/2024 at 12:13 PM, Archie Lee said: Pronman does predict, as I understand the rankings, that Benson will be a 2nd line winger in the NHL. That’s not exactly dumping on Benson. He doesn’t see Benson as the next Brad Marchand, a top 25 NHL talent in his prime, as you do. I’m not sure that Pronman’s view on Benson is the outlier here. Expand Well said Quote
Porous Five Hole Posted September 5, 2024 Report Posted September 5, 2024 On 9/5/2024 at 4:20 PM, Crusader1969 said: One thing I can't stand is people looking at stats and making a judgement on Poltapov. The man is a beast and brings everything to the game that the Sabres need Please don't take my word for it, but how about Kris Baker who watches almost every game he's played? If you follow or listen to Kris, you will know how he feels about Poltapov Expand Glad to hear it. I don’t have Russian tv so all I have are stats. His draft profile said quick feet and slick hands. And given that he was taken #33 overall, I anticipated more scoring so far. Quote
Crusader1969 Posted September 5, 2024 Report Posted September 5, 2024 On 9/5/2024 at 4:43 PM, Porous Five Hole said: Glad to hear it. I don’t have Russian tv so all I have are stats. His draft profile said quick feet and slick hands. And given that he was taken #33 overall, I anticipated more scoring so far. Expand He is 21 on one of the best teams in the KHL. If you look at their opening day lineup today, there is no other forward who is under 24. Don't confuse the KHL with AHL, KHL is not a developmental league. Teams are there to win now, so he's played limited minutes down the lineup so far in his career Not that this matters long term either but he just had a SH goal in his fist game of 24/25. Had a productive preseason as well 2 1 Quote
Ctaeth Posted September 5, 2024 Report Posted September 5, 2024 Baker had this to say about poltapov in his first game: "To be blunt, Poltapov was very noticeable in his season debut. The high work rate led to him regularly attacking the net, resulting in him scoring a short-handed goal and recording a game-high nine shots in 15:05 of work (19 shifts). After a strong opening frame, Poltapov came out for the second period and ramped up his tenacious style. In the 26th minute, Poltapov took a puck hard to the net and was shoved into Spartak netminder Dmitri Nikolayev. Takhir Mingachyov deposited the puck over the goal line post-collision, but the marker was waved off due to Poltapov’s interference." Obligatory link to his post about the game: https://sabresprospects.com/2024/09/05/poltapov-excels-in-khl-opener/ 3 Quote
nfreeman Posted September 6, 2024 Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/5/2024 at 12:13 PM, Archie Lee said: Pronman does predict, as I understand the rankings, that Benson will be a 2nd line winger in the NHL. That’s not exactly dumping on Benson. He doesn’t see Benson as the next Brad Marchand, a top 25 NHL talent in his prime, as you do. I’m not sure that Pronman’s view on Benson is the outlier here. Expand This is a good post, but just one quibble: Marchand in his prime was much better than top 25 -- I'd say top 5 player in the NHL. Quote
Taro T Posted September 6, 2024 Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 1:10 AM, nfreeman said: This is a good post, but just one quibble: Marchand in his prime was much better than top 25 -- I'd say top 5 player in the NHL. Expand Disagree that he was top 5. Now, if you want to argue Bergeron was top 5, you might be able to make a case. But probably not. He was top 10. Quote
LGR4GM Posted September 6, 2024 Author Report Posted September 6, 2024 This will be fun for me. Zach Benson is going to be far better than Pronman and others think. Many are blinded by his draft position when he was a top 5 player in that class. Quote
LGR4GM Posted September 6, 2024 Author Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 1:10 AM, nfreeman said: This is a good post, but just one quibble: Marchand in his prime was much better than top 25 -- I'd say top 5 player in the NHL. Expand Would you say this post "won't be that bad" 🤔 asking for a friend. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted September 6, 2024 Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 10:59 AM, LGR4GM said: This will be fun for me. Zach Benson is going to be far better than Pronman and others think. Many are blinded by his draft position when he was a top 5 player in that class. Expand Didn’t Grigorenko have a similar fall on draft day? Quote
nfreeman Posted September 6, 2024 Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 12:07 PM, LGR4GM said: Would you say this post "won't be that bad" 🤔 asking for a friend. Expand I don't know what this means, but if you'd like to exhume Roy-for-Malkin, Josh Allen was a bad choice or some of your other greatest hits, we can certainly do so. Quote
LGR4GM Posted September 6, 2024 Author Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 1:15 PM, nfreeman said: I don't know what this means, but if you'd like to exhume Roy-for-Malkin, Josh Allen was a bad choice or some of your other greatest hits, we can certainly do so. Expand I was never a Roy for Malkin person as far as I can remember (but that was a long time ago so maybe). Lol, you are going to have a long freaking list if you want to target me and others over not liking the Allen pick. You sure that is the hill you want to be on? and I think you know exactly what it refers to. Quote
LGR4GM Posted September 6, 2024 Author Report Posted September 6, 2024 From his own mouth. "What are the main reasons for the changes on prospects since your draft list? — Jim B. The only change I made that I’m aware of was moving Ivan Demidov up two to three spots. I assumed all season he was 5 feet 11, which was his unofficial measurement from Central Scouting. Then I stood next to him at the Gold Star camp, and he was notably taller than that, so I made a mild adjustment." - Pronman https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5745873/2024/09/06/nhl-2024-prospects-rankings?source=user-shared-article 1 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted September 6, 2024 Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 4:02 PM, LGR4GM said: From his own mouth. "What are the main reasons for the changes on prospects since your draft list? — Jim B. The only change I made that I’m aware of was moving Ivan Demidov up two to three spots. I assumed all season he was 5 feet 11, which was his unofficial measurement from Central Scouting. Then I stood next to him at the Gold Star camp, and he was notably taller than that, so I made a mild adjustment." - Pronman https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5745873/2024/09/06/nhl-2024-prospects-rankings?source=user-shared-article Expand Judge Pronman by his size do you? 1 Quote
Ctaeth Posted September 6, 2024 Report Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 4:02 PM, LGR4GM said: From his own mouth. "What are the main reasons for the changes on prospects since your draft list? — Jim B. The only change I made that I’m aware of was moving Ivan Demidov up two to three spots. I assumed all season he was 5 feet 11, which was his unofficial measurement from Central Scouting. Then I stood next to him at the Gold Star camp, and he was notably taller than that, so I made a mild adjustment." - Pronman https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5745873/2024/09/06/nhl-2024-prospects-rankings?source=user-shared-article Expand How to make a ranking for nhl prospects: import name and height into excel sheet. Sort by size. Boom done, collect paycheck from the athletic 1 Quote
Crusader1969 Posted September 8, 2024 Report Posted September 8, 2024 On 9/7/2024 at 8:37 PM, steveoath said: Good feature on poltapov Expand 2 primary assists today. Watch, he will start zooming up prospects lists now from those that just look at stats. 🤣.aka Sabres Twitter. When it comes to Sabres prospects, Baker is really the only one I listen to because I trust he is watching the games If anyone is interested, the KHL has an app and you can pay $2 to watch the games live. 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted September 8, 2024 Author Report Posted September 8, 2024 On 9/8/2024 at 9:04 PM, Crusader1969 said: 2 primary assists today. Watch, he will start zooming up prospects lists now from those that just look at stats. 🤣.aka Sabres Twitter. When it comes to Sabres prospects, Baker is really the only one I listen to because I trust he is watching the games If anyone is interested, the KHL has an app and you can pay $2 to watch the games live. Expand Poltapov has been bad the last 2 years. He's actually playing a pro style this year. Quote
Crusader1969 Posted September 9, 2024 Report Posted September 9, 2024 On 9/8/2024 at 11:25 PM, LGR4GM said: Poltapov has been bad the last 2 years. He's actually playing a pro style this year. Expand Based off of viewings or box score ? i respectively disagree that he was bad. He plays a style for that would be difficult for any teenager to be successful vs men. Plus, he had very limited minutes so far if he had played with the London Knights and not SKA for the last 2 seasons, he would be ranked much much higher. I think he is a top 5 prospect and will be a key member of the Sabres in 2 or 3 years. 1 Quote
Weave Posted September 9, 2024 Report Posted September 9, 2024 On 9/9/2024 at 8:24 PM, Thorny said: The Poltapov timeline Expand 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted September 9, 2024 Author Report Posted September 9, 2024 On 9/9/2024 at 8:17 PM, Crusader1969 said: Based off of viewings or box score ? i respectively disagree that he was bad. He plays a style for that would be difficult for any teenager to be successful vs men. Plus, he had very limited minutes so far if he had played with the London Knights and not SKA for the last 2 seasons, he would be ranked much much higher. I think he is a top 5 prospect and will be a key member of the Sabres in 2 or 3 years. Expand Reports describing his game as not pro and clips showing that. Lots of attempts to 1v1 his way through ppl, not using teammates well, poor shot selection. Also you're splitting hairs, playing a style that's bad v men is playing bad. Doesn't mean he can't figure it out and accounts this year indicate improvements. Quote
K-9 Posted September 9, 2024 Report Posted September 9, 2024 On 9/6/2024 at 1:31 PM, LGR4GM said: I was never a Roy for Malkin person as far as I can remember (but that was a long time ago so maybe). Lol, you are going to have a long freaking list if you want to target me and others over not liking the Allen pick. You sure that is the hill you want to be on? and I think you know exactly what it refers to. Expand This is obnoxious. 😄 Quote
bob_sauve28 Posted September 14, 2024 Report Posted September 14, 2024 Our 7th round pick from 2022 1 Quote
Thorner Posted September 14, 2024 Report Posted September 14, 2024 On 9/14/2024 at 2:50 PM, bob_sauve28 said: Our 7th round pick from 2022 Expand Baker has never met a prospect he didn’t like. I said that to him on Twitter once and he blocked me haha Random tangent, just thought it was kinda funny 2 Quote
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