Kevyn Adams: likes where his group's at

[Thorner]

10 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

I have a Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can only assume it doesn’t involve reading comprehension of any kind 

[TRIP65]

9 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Benson has never played in the minors and Savoie has just a few games.   Savioe just became eligible for Rochester this season.  I don’t care what they did in Juniors. It is irrelevant.  
 

Kulich might make the team as a winger if they don’t replace Skinner.  Maybe.  
 

This was supposed to be a season the put out a tough and competitive playoff team.  

Both played on the same Team in 2022-23. Savoie was the Center and Benson Winger. Patrick said they were the best Tandem he has seen. Wasn't just a couple games, 34.

[Thorner]

8 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Both played on the same Team in 2022-23. Savoie was the Center and Benson Winger. Patrick said they were the best Tandem he has seen. Wasn't just a couple games, 34.

He’s talking the minor leagues (pro) not minor hockey 

Edited July 3 by Thorny

[TRIP65]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

I can only assume it doesn’t involve reading comprehension of any kind 

I retired after 35 years as a Service Engineer on CardioVascular Labs, Catscans, Radiation Therapy and all Xray Imaging Equipment These are Multi-Million Healthcare Imaging Machines that save lives. Worked for Siemens and Philips, also direct for Strong Memorial (U of R)

Guarantee you my Troubleshooting on High Tech, Mechanical, Software are some of the Best in the Business. I was the Top Cardio-Vascular guy in Western, Central and Upstate NY till I retired. Also for Philips was the Cardiovascular Specialist in Eastern NY, NH, VT and Maine. Dartmouth Hitchcock and U of Vermont Fletcher Allen had both 60 Million Contracts that I led a Team of guy for 5 years installing all new Imaging Equipment in both Hospitals.

You can't run with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thorner]

2 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

I retired after 35 years as a Service Engineer on CardioVascular Labs, Catscans, Radiation Therapy and all Xray Imaging Equipment These are Multi-Million Healthcare Imaging Machines that save lives. Worked for Siemens and Philips, also direct for Strong Memorial (U of R)

Guarantee you my Troubleshooting on High Tech, Mechanical, Software are some of the Best in the Business. I was the Top Cardio-Vascular guy in Western, Central and Upstate NY till I retired. Also for Philips was the Cardiovascular Specialist in Eastern NY, NH, VT and Maine. Dartmouth Hitchcock and U of Vermont Fletcher Allen had both 60 Million Contracts that I led a Team of guy for 5 years installing all new Imaging Equipment in both Hospitals.

So what the heck happened after you retired?  

[TRIP65]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

So what the heck happened after you retired?  

In 1000 Islands on St Lawrence River

[Thorner]

1 minute ago, TRIP65 said:

In 1000 Islands on St Lawrence River

Can I borrow your timeshare? 

I know you aren’t using the guesthouse 

[TRIP65]

7 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Can I borrow your timeshare? 

I know you aren’t using the guesthouse 

Have a Large Family

[Pimlach]

4 hours ago, TRIP65 said:

https://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/nhl-draft-zach-benson-matt-savoies-center-could-be-strong-pick-for-sabres/

Really?   Using buffalohockeybeat?   
 

Benson and Savoie played WHL Juniors together, that is not in the minors, not ever.  Benson is still 19 and is not eligible for minors (pro).  Learn what these terms mean.  
 

If Savoie is ready to be the 3C in the NHL right now I will be happy.   Based on his limited action last season it is a stretch to think that.  But maybe we can count on good luck.  Most people see him as a winger.  

Edited July 3 by Pimlach

[tom webster]

I don't know what has been said in this thread but as I have said before, some of you need to worry more about what he does/doesn't do and less about what he says. Two years ago or so, he went on and on about being happy with his goaltending despite completing negotiations for both Matt Murray and John Gibson that only fell through because the players wouldn't waive. This year he had deals in place for Necas and Ehlers but in both cases the players wouldn't commit to extensions and he thought the price was too high without the extensions. You can argue about his negotiation skills, about how well he presents his message, about the contracts offered but he knows what this team needs. He just doesn't seem to know or have the ability to get the job done. It also wouldn't surprise me if he thinks Winnipeg or Carolina would be fooled by his message to the fans.

[oddoublee]

20 minutes ago, tom webster said:

I don't know what has been said in this thread but as I have said before, some of you need to worry more about what he does/doesn't do and less about what he says. Two years ago or so, he went on and on about being happy with his goaltending despite completing negotiations for both Matt Murray and John Gibson that only fell through because the players wouldn't waive. This year he had deals in place for Necas and Ehlers but in both cases the players wouldn't commit to extensions and he thought the price was too high without the extensions. You can argue about his negotiation skills, about how well he presents his message, about the contracts offered but he knows what this team needs. He just doesn't seem to know or have the ability to get the job done. It also wouldn't surprise me if he thinks Winnipeg or Carolina would be fooled by his message to the fans.

I agree about observing what he does versus listening to what he says. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be a great closer. But that is also an organizational effort and not just the GM. No one in the organization seems to know what levers to pull and when. It's concerning. 

[nfreeman]

Good stuff @tom webster.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to criticize KA for not being able to convince Ehlers or Necas to sign extensions, if that's what some posters here are inclined to do.  Those guys are 1 year from UFA -- they aren't going to give that up to sign extensions in NHL Siberia.

Then the question becomes how much are you prepared to give up for 1-year rentals who mentally have one foot out the door upon arrival and are likely to play that way all year.  I'm not inclined to give up that much for that kind of player, but YMMV.

[GASabresIUFAN]

56 minutes ago, tom webster said:

He just doesn't seem to know or have the ability to get the job done.

Isn't that ultimately all that matters.   Maybe it's time for TP to find a experienced NHL GM with credibility with players and other GMs to run his team.  If not, maybe it's time for TP to sell the team to someone who will bring in legit professionals. 

[triumph_communes]

Botterill couldn’t get anything done. Then he signed Skinner atrocity because he had no leverage after getting nothing done. 
 

Adams need to bite a bullet. Though pricey players without an extension aren’t what we should get. They’d help; but he can find it elsewhere. I get that casual fans want a top6 player, but all we need is a 3C vet

Edited July 3 by triumph_communes

[JohnC]

3 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Good stuff @tom webster.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to criticize KA for not being able to convince Ehlers or Necas to sign extensions, if that's what some posters here are inclined to do.  Those guys are 1 year from UFA -- they aren't going to give that up to sign extensions in NHL Siberia.

Then the question becomes how much are you prepared to give up for 1-year rentals who mentally have one foot out the door upon arrival and are likely to play that way all year.  I'm not inclined to give up that much for that kind of player, but YMMV.

If the GM didn't have a grasp on who the replacement players were going to be for the players he sent packing, then he was taking an unnecessary gamble. Mitts was traded and Skinner was bought out. Who is going to fill the void? It's inarguable that Skinner isn't well rounded enough for this staff, but when placed in the right situation he is an accomplished goal scorer. Why not keep him for another year? Mitts wanted to be here. The trade for Byram made sense and is a good trade if a Mitts replacement is brought in. Without an adequate replacement, it becomes in my view a net deficit.

I'm not criticizing the GM for not willing to give up substantial assets for players such as Ehler or Necas without their agreeing to sign extensions. But that goes back to my original point that roster holes were created without a plan to satisfactorily fill them. 

This organization is spinning its wheels in the rut that it created. We're competing against teams that work hard to get better. The arithmetic is simple: When you take two steps forward, and then two steps back you have not moved forward. It just seems that this earnest GM doesn't have the ability to strategically think. It's tiresome to witness. 

 

[French Collection]

37 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

Good stuff @tom webster.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to criticize KA for not being able to convince Ehlers or Necas to sign extensions, if that's what some posters here are inclined to do.  Those guys are 1 year from UFA -- they aren't going to give that up to sign extensions in NHL Siberia.

Then the question becomes how much are you prepared to give up for 1-year rentals who mentally have one foot out the door upon arrival and are likely to play that way all year.  I'm not inclined to give up that much for that kind of player, but YMMV.

Getting a late 20’s player on an expiring contract is different than getting an overdone Eric Staal or even a Taylor Hall with a full NTC.

This player should be motivated to have a good year and to showcase his skills in order to get one more big deal. Whether he re-signs with Buffalo, leaves at season’s end or is traded at the deadline will be determined over the course of the year. Relationships can be cultivated, team success can change perspectives or another failure can bring prospects.

As discussed once or twice, KA has tons of picks and prospects to get a top seven player, who is preferably a C.

[That Aud Smell]

5 minutes ago, French Collection said:

As discussed once or twice, KA has tons of picks and prospects to get a top seven player, who is preferably a C.

In the beginning, there were 4 lines. Then we had top 6, bottom 6. The concept of middle 6 emerged at some point. At one point, I recall seeing talk of the top 9.

Is top 7 a thing now as well?

And whodat? Is it that player who resides just outside the top 6 and is ready to move up the lineup when needed? If such a player were a centre, it would call to mind Derek Roy circa 2005-2007 (iirc, he centred the third line (that thing was deadly) but then would slide up to play wing with Drury?).

[French Collection]

16 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Is top 7 a thing now as well?

I read this in one of the threads and liked the sound of it. I am tired of just saying 3C, wanted to change it up.

Derek Roy is a good comparable to what I am looking for.

If the guy is good enough to make Cozens 3C or move him to the wing, even better. A player that is closer to 4C will be useless filling in for TNT or Cozens in the case of injuries.

Right now it seems like KA is penciling Krebs as 3C and most of us agree that is a big risk. Lafferty can play 4C but Krebs could learn even more from the new guys than he did from KO and Girgs. Lafferty, Aube-Kubel and Malenstyn never came into the league expected to score and be the new shiny toys. They embrace the opportunity to play on the 4th line and muck it up. Krebs can play bigger with guys like this.

[nfreeman]

41 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Getting a late 20’s player on an expiring contract is different than getting an overdone Eric Staal or even a Taylor Hall with a full NTC.

This player should be motivated to have a good year and to showcase his skills in order to get one more big deal. Whether he re-signs with Buffalo, leaves at season’s end or is traded at the deadline will be determined over the course of the year. Relationships can be cultivated, team success can change perspectives or another failure can bring prospects.

As discussed once or twice, KA has tons of picks and prospects to get a top seven player, who is preferably a C.

It's an interesting question -- what's the right price for the Sabres to pay for a good, but not great, winger who is 1 year from UFA and who has refused to sign an extension as part of a trade?  If the Sabres' 1st-round-equivalent assets are:

Rosen

Levi

Ryan Johnson

Östlund

Savoie

Helenius

Kulich

2025 #1 

 

...how many of those are you prepared to give up for Necas or Ehlers, when both have already said no thanks to an extension?

I'd have a hard time giving up more than 1, but YMMV.

[triumph_communes]

11 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I read this in one of the threads and liked the sound of it. I am tired of just saying 3C, wanted to change it up.

Derek Roy is a good comparable to what I am looking for.

If the guy is good enough to make Cozens 3C or move him to the wing, even better. A player that is closer to 4C will be useless filling in for TNT or Cozens in the case of injuries.

Right now it seems like KA is penciling Krebs as 3C and most of us agree that is a big risk. Lafferty can play 4C but Krebs could learn even more from the new guys than he did from KO and Girgs. Lafferty, Aube-Kubel and Malenstyn never came into the league expected to score and be the new shiny toys. They embrace the opportunity to play on the 4th line and muck it up. Krebs can play bigger with guys like this.

Krebs just doesn’t have good hockey IQ. He’d ruin the line. 

If the rumors were Tuch for two 1year rentals with no extension then yeah, look elsewhere and don’t do that deal 

 

I think that’s bigger than what we really need tho

Edited July 3 by triumph_communes

[That Aud Smell]

1 minute ago, triumph_communes said:

Krebs just doesn’t have good hockey IQ.

Hmm. I hadn't previously considered this. It would explain a lot.

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, tom webster said:

I don't know what has been said in this thread but as I have said before, some of you need to worry more about what he does/doesn't do and less about what he says. Two years ago or so, he went on and on about being happy with his goaltending despite completing negotiations for both Matt Murray and John Gibson that only fell through because the players wouldn't waive. This year he had deals in place for Necas and Ehlers but in both cases the players wouldn't commit to extensions and he thought the price was too high without the extensions. You can argue about his negotiation skills, about how well he presents his message, about the contracts offered but he knows what this team needs. He just doesn't seem to know or have the ability to get the job done. It also wouldn't surprise me if he thinks Winnipeg or Carolina would be fooled by his message to the fans.

I’m not giving Adams a pass on improving the top 6 just because Ehlers or Necas wouldn’t commit to an extension.  There are plenty of fish in the sea who aren’t rentals or have NTC/NMC, that would allow him to better the roster. 
 

It’s his job to identify said players and pull the trigger. 
 

 

[Cascade Youth]

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

I don't know what has been said in this thread but as I have said before, some of you need to worry more about what he does/doesn't do and less about what he says. Two years ago or so, he went on and on about being happy with his goaltending despite completing negotiations for both Matt Murray and John Gibson that only fell through because the players wouldn't waive. This year he had deals in place for Necas and Ehlers but in both cases the players wouldn't commit to extensions and he thought the price was too high without the extensions. You can argue about his negotiation skills, about how well he presents his message, about the contracts offered but he knows what this team needs. He just doesn't seem to know or have the ability to get the job done. It also wouldn't surprise me if he thinks Winnipeg or Carolina would be fooled by his message to the fans.

This is the most depressing thing I’ve read here in a long time (but appreciate you sharing the info).

17 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I’m not giving Adams a pass on improving the top 6 just because Ehlers or Necas wouldn’t commit to an extension.  There are plenty of fish in the sea who aren’t rentals or have NTC/NMC, that would allow him to better the roster. 
 

It’s his job to identify said players and pull the trigger. 
 

 

I don’t read @tom webster’s post as giving KA a pass.

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, Cascade Youth said:

I don’t read @tom webster’s post as giving KA a pass.

My comment wasn’t regarding Tom…all about KA’s incompetence.  

[That Aud Smell]

I'm glad I caught tweb's post - I'd missed it initially.

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

He just doesn't seem to know or have the ability to get the job done.

Which is to say -- Opie Adams has been in a Tijuana brothel for four years, but he's still struggling to figure out how to dock his d1ck at a receptive port.