mjd1001 Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 (edited) Hockey IQ. I think its a term we use when a guy may not have elite, or very good 'raw' skills that are visible, but he is vey successful. A guy may not be that fast like Pavel Bure or Petr Bondra. Not be that big/tall like Eric Lindros. Doesn't have the hardest shot like Brett Hull or Al MacInnis. Doesn't stick handle so well that he has that 'puck-on-a-stick' thing when he carries it like Mario Lemieux. When you see a guy like that but he nets 30+ goals every year, is one of the better +/- guys on your team, is put out there by his coach in all situations, and his production helps you win...well, we just assign a 'high hockey iq' to them to explain their success despite the lack of visible elite skill. Edited July 4 by mjd1001 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Lee Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 The more I think on this the more convinced I am that Zucker is the replacement for the Ehlers/Necas/top-6 forward trade. Had we made a trade before noon on July 1, we would not have signed Zucker. He was the pivot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 (edited) Want to know a sad thing? We have 177 replies for Jason Zucker. Want to know how many replies were for Steven Stamkos signing? 18 lol we care way too much about this stuff. Edited July 4 by GoPuckYourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 Are people really locking the concept of hockey iq? Some players can process the game and see ahead. Others can’t. It’s a thing. Krebs doesn’t have it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 17 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Are people really locking the concept of hockey iq? Some players can process the game and see ahead. Others can’t. It’s a thing. Krebs doesn’t have it Jack Quinn has hockey IQ. I'd like ppl to tell me which skill of his is so mediocre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, triumph_communes said: Are people really locking the concept of hockey iq? Some players can process the game and see ahead. Others can’t. It’s a thing. Krebs doesn’t have it It gets better with maturity. Brandon Montour is an example of a guy who just saw the game better as he matured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 19 hours ago, Taro T said: Of course, in a few situations that's actually true. Different sport, but Jim Kelly has a tremendous "Football IQ." But he comes across as dumber than a stump. FWIW, I never thought of Jimbo as dumb – but certainly a grade A meathead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.55. Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said: It gets better with maturity. Brandon Montour is an example of a guy who just saw the game better as he matured Being on a great team didn't hurt, either. We'll see what version of BM Seattle gets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 3 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said: It gets better with maturity. Brandon Montour is an example of a guy who just saw the game better as he matured The game slow downs as players get older and get used to the pace. They also learn what they are capable of and learn what type of plays they need to make to stay in the league so they simplify things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 19 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Does/did Kelly in fact possess a tremendous football IQ? I think the Bills would have a Super Bowl if he did. Jeremy Jacobs somewhat infamously confessed to a group of colleagues that he marveled at how … well … how dumb Ray Borque was. I presume that Borque had excellent hockey IQ? Kelly definitely had a high football IQ. He was calling his own plays. However, to put it in hockey terms, the team didn’t hate to lose or didn’t have high compete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skibum Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 Well, he has a few seasons with odd-numbered PIM totals, which means he must fight once in a while, right? You can't have odd-numbered PIM without the 5s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said: It gets better with maturity. Brandon Montour is an example of a guy who just saw the game better as he matured I have to say he was much better in last years playoffs than he was this year. Didn't do much and I believe lost his role on PP1 eventually -------- Here is why Zucker is a much better need for this team that Jeff Skinner playing down the lineu “I’m not afraid to be at the net, stand at the net and kind of take a beating net-front throughout a game. I think I have a knack around the net, too.” Quote not by Skinner. Edited July 4 by Crusader1969 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 Given Lindy’s focus is both defense first and net front presence second, this players fits that mold whereas that’s the anti thesis for Skinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, .55. said: Being on a great team didn't hurt, either. We'll see what version of BM Seattle gets. Montour is a solid player but that contract is insane IMHO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, triumph_communes said: Given Lindy’s focus is both defense first and net front presence second, this players fits that mold whereas that’s the anti thesis for Skinner You don't think Skinner went to the net front? Anyone have his shot map? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 34 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: You don't think Skinner went to the net front? Anyone have his shot map? Skinner’s failings are known. Dude went to the net like a fu**ing maniac. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 47 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Skinner’s failings are known. Dude went to the net like a fu**ing maniac. He went to the net chasing loose pucks. How many times do you remember him driving the net with the puck, shoulder first against a defender? How many times hard without the puck with a man on him off the rush trying to beat the guy to the post, or create a lane for the trailer? How many times eating crosschecks to create a screen or a tip? He goes to net when the puck is there and he has a gap to exploit. His game is about creating chances for Jeff. It’s an asset and he’’s good at what he does, but his net game is mostly lurk and lunge. He doesn’t supply the other elements of the net front game that I think @triumph_communes is referring to. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, dudacek said: He went to the net chasing loose pucks. Yeah - that’s all I really meant. He scored a lot of dirty goals. Good summary of additional deficiencies in, limitations of his game. Edited July 5 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 10 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said: It gets better with maturity. Brandon Montour is an example of a guy who just saw the game better as he matured I think it will be very interesting to see what Montour does away from the tightly knit Florida system which allowed him to excel as the puck mover in the unit. Seattle does not have that type of structure so I expect there will be a huge drop off next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: You don't think Skinner went to the net front? Anyone have his shot map? There's a difference between going to the net and making things happen in front of the net. Skinner refused to play D though. He's cost us as many goals against as he's scored, if not more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 5 Author Report Share Posted July 5 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: You don't think Skinner went to the net front? Anyone have his shot map? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 28 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: I think it will be very interesting to see what Montour does away from the tightly knit Florida system which allowed him to excel as the puck mover in the unit. Seattle does not have that type of structure so I expect there will be a huge drop off next year. There already is a drop off in his game. He had 73 points in 80 games last year and 33 in 66 this year. He is 30 years old, already past his prime. Good for him for cashing in. Teams were spending like drunken sailors because the cap went up a few million. There will be some regrets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, French Collection said: There already is a drop off in his game. He had 73 points in 80 games last year and 33 in 66 this year. He is 30 years old, already past his prime. Good for him for cashing in. Teams were spending like drunken sailors because the cap went up a few million. There will be some regrets. Seattle did make 2 suspect moves that's for sure. Not sure what their plan is there. With elevating Bylsma it looked like they were going to go with lots of Coachella players but then they give way too much term to 2 aging guys, strange. I mean they will be better than they were for 3-4 years so maybe that's worth it. It's certainly more aggressive than what the Sabres are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: You don't think Skinner went to the net front? Anyone have his shot map? He might’ve sneaked in front but he didn’t contest it and cause chaos. Totally different in effect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 I don't think I have much more to say on free agency but I think my disappointment is best summed up by us signing Zucker for 5 million while Monahan goes to Columbus for a mere .5 more. Sure maybe he wants to play with Johnny Hockey or something but the money difference is small and what he'd have added in terms of filling a need is so huge it just drills home the failure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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