Taro T Posted Sunday at 09:27 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:27 PM 4 hours ago, Huckleberry said: I think either Johnson or Samuelsson will be gone in a trade. Johnson might be. But at the B&GI w/ Ruff and Adams, they were talking about Dahlin playing a lot w/ Power & Samuelsson. Muel isn't going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Monday at 12:45 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:45 AM (edited) PLAN A JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Trade Greenway. UFA. Tuch Malenstyn Krebs UFA Plan B JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Tuch Greenway. UFA. Savoie Malenstyn Krebs UFA Edited Monday at 12:47 AM by Crusader1969 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted Monday at 01:07 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:07 AM 15 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: PLAN A JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Trade Greenway. UFA. Tuch Malenstyn Krebs UFA Plan B JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Tuch Greenway. UFA. Savoie Malenstyn Krebs UFA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Monday at 01:37 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:37 AM 27 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: The reason they didn't make it last year was coaching and the goaltending over the first 2 months a full year of Quinn, an actual 4th line that brings energy and a PP that's at worst average and they can make the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted Monday at 01:58 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:58 AM 17 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: The reason they didn't make it last year was coaching and the goaltending over the first 2 months a full year of Quinn, an actual 4th line that brings energy and a PP that's at worst average and they can make the playoffs They MIGHT be able to make the playoffs, but with the improvements to the Otters & Devils would not be banking on being able to sneak in at 91 or 92 points. They need to be targeting 99. Realizing it's still a work in progress, but at this point with the improvements around the conference (which means more tough games) 99 will be a tough slog. Hopefully tomorrow we see some new toys under the Canada Day tree. Because w/out them it won't be easy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted Monday at 07:44 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 07:44 AM (edited) A 2W and 3C, both established veterans. A gritty 4W to complement Krebs’ style would be great too. Peterka TT Tuch TBD Cozens Quinn Greenway TBD Benson Malenstyn Krebs TBD/prospect Picks/prospects might get you the 3C. The 2W is going to cost a roster player I think. Given KA spent a second on a fourth liner and it’s known he’s on the hot seat, I think Quinn + pick(s) or Benson + prospect(s) is the asking price from a trade partner. Someone looking to replace a late twenties or early thirties top six guy with younger talent. Replacing Benson in house is easier than Quinn. Especially if the 3C is a solid veteran who can mentor the 3RW along with Greenway. Oh yeah, leave the D and goaltending as is. Other options include Power or Byram to acquire the 2LW. Theoretically we are better defensively with the new 3C, more experienced goal tenders, and subtraction of Skinner. Edited Monday at 07:44 AM by SABRES 0311 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 10:19 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:19 AM 2 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: A 2W and 3C, both established veterans. A gritty 4W to complement Krebs’ style would be great too. Peterka TT Tuch TBD Cozens Quinn Greenway TBD Benson Malenstyn Krebs TBD/prospect Picks/prospects might get you the 3C. The 2W is going to cost a roster player I think. Given KA spent a second on a fourth liner and it’s known he’s on the hot seat, I think Quinn + pick(s) or Benson + prospect(s) is the asking price from a trade partner. Someone looking to replace a late twenties or early thirties top six guy with younger talent. Replacing Benson in house is easier than Quinn. Especially if the 3C is a solid veteran who can mentor the 3RW along with Greenway. Oh yeah, leave the D and goaltending as is. Other options include Power or Byram to acquire the 2LW. Theoretically we are better defensively with the new 3C, more experienced goal tenders, and subtraction of Skinner. There's not a single player in house anywhere, that's Zach Benson. Unless you're trading for Draisaitl, not interested in using 19yr old Zach Benson as a trade chip. This team needs more of what Benson brings not less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted Monday at 11:06 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:06 AM Pencil in Helenius on 3rd line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Monday at 11:15 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:15 AM 8 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Pencil in Helenius on 3rd line They really need to not use an elc year for him this season. Push it off one to help stagger some off 2nd contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted Monday at 11:39 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:39 AM 10 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: PLAN A JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Trade Greenway. UFA. Tuch Malenstyn Krebs UFA Plan B JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Tuch Greenway. UFA. Savoie Malenstyn Krebs UFA That team will be worse than last year. I am ready for it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted Monday at 12:26 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:26 PM 46 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: They really need to not use an elc year for him this season. Push it off one to help stagger some off 2nd contracts. agree but its the sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted Monday at 04:06 PM Author Report Share Posted Monday at 04:06 PM (edited) Updated & edited Forwards JJP TNT Tuch Benson Cozens Quinn Zucker Krebs(rfa) Greenway Malenstyn(rfa) Lafferty Aube-Kubel (Rousek) Defense Dahlin Power Samuelsson Joki(rfa) Byram Clifton Bryson & Gilbert Goalies UPL(rfa) Levi Edited Monday at 06:46 PM by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted Monday at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:10 PM 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Updated: Forwards JJP TNT Tuch Benson Cozens Quinn Zucker ????? Greenway Malenstyn(rfa) Krebs(rfa) Lafferty (Rousek) Defense Dahlin Power Samuelsson Joki(rfa) Byram Clifton (Johnson - Clague) Goalies UPL(rfa) Levi This isn’t a playoff team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted Monday at 04:18 PM Author Report Share Posted Monday at 04:18 PM 7 minutes ago, #freejame said: This isn’t a playoff team Who said it was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted Monday at 04:18 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:18 PM The future is bright in buffalo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted Monday at 04:18 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:18 PM Just now, GASabresIUFAN said: Who said it was? There will be plenty who believe it. There’s been plenty every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Monday at 04:25 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:25 PM 15 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: PLAN A JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Trade Greenway. UFA. Tuch Malenstyn Krebs UFA Plan B JJP. Tage Quinn Benson Cozens. Tuch Greenway. UFA. Savoie Malenstyn Krebs UFA Change to Plan B. JJP Tage. Tuch Benson Cozens Quinn Greenway. UFA / Trade. Zucker Malenstyn Krebs Lafferty One more move prior to the season I would guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Monday at 04:28 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:28 PM 8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Who said it was? I say it could be I'll say it again. Full year of Quinn . every young player a year older, an Average PP, difficult 4th line to play against and good goaltending for the entire season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted Monday at 04:41 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:41 PM I'm hoping they aren't penciling in Kulich as 3C. We should offer sheet Pinto for the Mitts replacement. Just whatever bridge contract takes him straight to Free Agency. That way if he signs and Ottawa matches, we just ***** Ottawa over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted Monday at 05:05 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 05:05 PM I expect this new shutdown line to actually get 2nd or 3rd most minutes playing under Lindy. When lessens the impact of the hole at 3C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted Monday at 05:28 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 05:28 PM 41 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Change to Plan B. JJP Tage. Tuch Benson Cozens Quinn Greenway. UFA / Trade. Zucker Malenstyn Krebs Lafferty One more move prior to the season I would guess Random side note: if we go by fancy stats per 60 with the top 6 (for lines that played more than 60 minutes last season) and only look at lines using the players remaining, your top 6 will look like: Greenway - Tage - Tuch JJP - Cozens - Quinn That leaves Benson as the odd man out. His numbers--much like the rest of the team's numbers from last season--were really only good when he was on a line with Mitts or, weirdly enough, Krebs. I don't think it was Krebs elevating Benson's game as much as Benson was on the ice matched against less skilled opponents. The Benson - Cozens - Quinn line was effective, but substantially less effective than JJP in that role. The top line with Peterka - Thompson - Tuch was not a good line, but Benson in that role wasn't any better. Skinner - Thompson - Tuch was actually more effective than both. I also doubt Lindy is going to focus that much on advance stats. We also don't know how Thompson's injuries affected his play during the periods where we were rotating his partners. I don't think Greenway is a first line winger. Anyway, there really wasn't anywhere I was going with this. It really just shows the roster holes created by the departure of Mitts and Skinner. I love JJP, but he makes the team better when he's playing with Cozens and Quinn. I love Benson too, but he isn't a top line winger (yet). I like Greenway, but we shouldn't be relying on him as a first line winger because he isn't one. Frankly, the biggest issue with using any kind of advanced stats from last season was just the massive regression the team took. Cozens in particular. Obviously Quinn missing half a season really skews things further. It's a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted Monday at 05:40 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 05:40 PM I like the signings but really… Benson will be our 2LW? 😂 Krebs is 3C? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted Monday at 05:44 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 05:44 PM 1 minute ago, SABRES 0311 said: I like the signings but really… Benson will be our 2LW? 😂 Krebs is 3C? 😂 While I'm not certain we're going to acquire one, if we do, the 3C is going to come through by trade or offer sheet. I'm guessing it's a trade. If that's the case, it's likely not going to be until the "free agency frenzy" has subsided and teams assess who has been made redundant via signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted Monday at 05:46 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 05:46 PM 1 minute ago, RochesterExpat said: While I'm not certain we're going to acquire one, if we do, the 3C is going to come through by trade or offer sheet. I'm guessing it's a trade. If that's the case, it's likely not going to be until the "free agency frenzy" has subsided and teams assess who has been made redundant via signings. I sure hope it happens. Benson is not a second liner yet. Krebs will be a career fourth liner IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted Monday at 06:08 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 06:08 PM I'm okay with the moves made today, it seems like we've gone from 220 grit down to 80, maybe. Worried about replacing the offensive production of losing Mitts & Skinner - the power play is going to have to make up for a lot of that. If no other moves are made I hope we'll be seeing some significant ice time from one of our forward prospects (Kulich, Rosen, Savoie, Östlund) - we can't bring them all up at once and there's only so much marinating in the AHL they can do - or f'n trade them for a legit top-6 forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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