Huckleberry Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 8 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I wouldn't have bought out Skinner until next summer. Lowers the cap penalty and you get another year for the young guys to develop. If Adams doesn't use the cap saving, this move was trash. You now need 30g and 30a replaced plus you need add to that total overall. And this move turned out to be ***** as expected 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 24 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: And this move turned out to be ***** as expected 🙂 He doesn't fit in the top 6 (would rather have Benson on Cozens line than Skinner) & seeing what they just did to reshape the bottom 6, he sure as #### doesn't fit on the bottom 6. Would've been fine keeping him 1 more year, but they obviously didn't see a fit for him & having a $9MM F sitting in the pressbox waiting for a top 6 injury doesn't exactly scream healthy team dynamics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 15 minutes ago, Taro T said: He doesn't fit in the top 6 (would rather have Benson on Cozens line than Skinner) & seeing what they just did to reshape the bottom 6, he sure as #### doesn't fit on the bottom 6. Would've been fine keeping him 1 more year, but they obviously didn't see a fit for him & having a $9MM F sitting in the pressbox waiting for a top 6 injury doesn't exactly scream healthy team dynamics. I don't mind the bottom line's thing being that they are fast and hit stuff, whilst being a bit rubbish doing anything else. It gives Lindy a tool to wield. That said, the third line feels a bit like the spare-part line. Krebs and Greenway are closer to fourth liners than decent third liners. And Zucker is fine but doesn't have a thing he does particularly well. I'd rather have Benson - Cozens - Quinn be our defensively responsible wild card third line, and then have Skinner and two other players as our second line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Didn't exactly fly off the shelf in free agency did he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 On 6/30/2024 at 9:54 AM, Mr Peabody said: I read on here he has a GF in Nashville. If so, no state tax, a great city for someone his age. Just don't get her pregnant there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Peabody Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 22 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Just don't get her pregnant there. I’ve got 3 grandkids down there - all 12 and under. No hawk tuahs from them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos1963 Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 15 hours ago, LGR4GM said: I wouldn't have bought out Skinner until next summer. Lowers the cap penalty and you get another year for the young guys to develop. If Adams doesn't use the cap saving, this move was trash. You now need 30g and 30a replaced plus you need add to that total overall. Or not be down 3-0 early in the first period for half the games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 2 Report Share Posted July 2 35 minutes ago, klos1963 said: Or not be down 3-0 early in the first period for half the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 He’s gonna score so many goals for the oilers Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 On 7/1/2024 at 3:22 AM, LGR4GM said: If Adams doesn't use the cap saving, this move was trash. Still in EEE phase and just happy to be here until proven otherwise. On 7/1/2024 at 3:22 AM, LGR4GM said: You now need 30g and 30a replaced plus you need add to that total overall. As a breakdown: JJP had 9 goals in his final 22 games once he started getting top line minutes. That's 32G per 82. I believe Skinner's top line production is more than covered. The question remaining on LW is: can Zucker/Benson outproduce 2JJP/3Benson-Skinner's production of last season? 19JJP in those first 5 months; 11Benson; 5Skinner in those final 2 months. Need 35 goals from the 2nd/3rd LW. (And can we get any scoring whatsoever from the 4th line?) 42 minutes ago, aristocrat said: He’s gonna score so many goals for the oilers Jesus Eichel and McDavid/Draisaitl are going to make Skinner so much money -- and make 2 fanbases lament the follow-up contract. Although we now will have to see just how good Skinner is in the playoffs. A huge season and a great playoff run and... does it kindle any HOF chatter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Still in EEE phase and just happy to be here until proven otherwise. As a breakdown: JJP had 9 goals in his final 22 games once he started getting top line minutes. That's 32G per 82. I believe Skinner's top line production is more than covered. The question remaining on LW is: can Zucker/Benson outproduce 2JJP/3Benson-Skinner's production of last season? 19JJP in those first 5 months; 11Benson; 5Skinner in those final 2 months. Need 35 goals from the 2nd/3rd LW. (And can we get any scoring whatsoever from the 4th line?) Eichel and McDavid/Draisaitl are going to make Skinner so much money -- and make 2 fanbases lament the follow-up contract. Although we now will have to see just how good Skinner is in the playoffs. A huge season and a great playoff run and... does it kindle any HOF chatter? Skinner will either be great in the playoffs due to his pesky attitude and skills or downright awful due to his lack of defensive effort and proclivity to over ply the puck at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 4 Report Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said: Still in EEE phase and just happy to be here until proven otherwise. As a breakdown: JJP had 9 goals in his final 22 games once he started getting top line minutes. That's 32G per 82. I believe Skinner's top line production is more than covered. The question remaining on LW is: can Zucker/Benson outproduce 2JJP/3Benson-Skinner's production of last season? 19JJP in those first 5 months; 11Benson; 5Skinner in those final 2 months. Need 35 goals from the 2nd/3rd LW. (And can we get any scoring whatsoever from the 4th line?) Eichel and McDavid/Draisaitl are going to make Skinner so much money -- and make 2 fanbases lament the follow-up contract. Although we now will have to see just how good Skinner is in the playoffs. A huge season and a great playoff run and... does it kindle any HOF chatter? Your math is to break even, but we need to be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 8 hours ago, aristocrat said: He’s gonna score so many goals for the oilers Jesus It will be interesting to see. Skinner is good at scoring 2 ways...off the rush, and garbage goals right in front of the net. That seems to be most of his scoring. PP, not really. Cycling the puck around in a controlled way in the Offensive zone, he's not all that dangerous there. So, you would think with fast guys like in Edmonton, he will thrive off the rush. But, can he keep up? Skinner is a decent skater, but he as hardly any speed. Skinner doesn't even have average top end speed, he is SLOW. McDavid strength is he plays at full speed almost all the time with the puck. Will Skinner be able to keep up, or in order to do so will he have to 'cheat' even more away from the D-zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohicksie Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Lol you think Skinner's playing on McDavid's line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 On 6/29/2024 at 4:00 PM, Crusader1969 said: At least something good came out of today !!! now they MUST use that money to bring in a legit NHL player or two! So this was an "addition by subtraction" move? I just wonder what this is going to look like a year from now. Edmonton seems fine with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 38 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: So this was an "addition by subtraction" move? I just wonder what this is going to look like a year from now. Edmonton seems fine with him. They were "fine" with Evander Kane and Corey Perry too. They're "fine" with everybody. Let's see how it works out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 17 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: They were "fine" with Evander Kane and Corey Perry too. They're "fine" with everybody. Let's see how it works out. I’d suggest they were quite happy with how it worked out last season. I won’t bet against them being right again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 6 minutes ago, Weave said: I’d suggest they were quite happy with how it worked out last season. I won’t bet against them being right again. I will. That team is so close, but it has moved in the wrong direction this summer. If they take the final step, it will be because of McDavid and Draisaitl, not what they’ve changed around them. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: They were "fine" with Evander Kane and Corey Perry too. They're "fine" with everybody. Let's see how it works out. I just hope we are "fine" with this. I can see a few injuries happening and we end up wishing we just kept him, but it is what it is 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 Skinner will score 50 in Edmonton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Skinner will score 50 in Edmonton Well, let's be fully transparent then. He may very well score 50 in Edmonton, only, it won't be because he's Jeff Skinner. If it does happen it will be specifically because of team mates McDavid and Draisaitl. The likelihood he'd pot 50 in Buffalo was near non-existent. Look at the bright side, if he does net 50, at least it's in the Western Conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 On 8/14/2024 at 1:42 PM, dudacek said: I will. That team is so close, but it has moved in the wrong direction this summer. If they take the final step, it will be because of McDavid and Draisaitl, not what they’ve changed around them. If those two weren’t majorly injured for the last three games they win the cup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Skinner will score 50 in Edmonton and yet still somehow a -5 in +/- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 On 8/14/2024 at 12:42 PM, dudacek said: I will. That team is so close, but it has moved in the wrong direction this summer. If they take the final step, it will be because of McDavid and Draisaitl, not what they’ve changed around them. I agree. See how they manage that offer sheet situation too. If anything at all goes wrong for them I can see that locker room falling apart fast too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Skinner will score 50 in Edmonton I don't think so. I mean, its POSSIBLE. Zach Hyman scored over 50..so its possible. But, Hyman is a very good/fast skater. Skinner is not. Hyman gets all of his goals in front of the net, Skinner used to but not so much anymore. The thing is, to get that time with McDavid and/or Draisatl, he would have to take time away from Hyman. I'm not sure Edmonton is going to want to give 32/33 year old newcomer Jeff Skinner the ice time and opportunities that nearly 40 goal scorer 2 years ago and 54 goal scorer last year Zach Hyman had. Finally, look at the numbers. Jeff Skinner for his career shots 11%. Last year he shot 11.4%. For his career in Buffalo he shot 11.2%. He has never had a season at 15%, and only 3 times in his career he was above 14%. Also, once forwards get over 30, the thing that causes their goal totals to go down is usually the shooting percentage doesn't get better with age, it gets worse. So, lets say Skinner plays the entire year. He takes away Hyman's ice time and spot with the top forwards. He gets plenty of PP time. And, playing with those better players, even at 32/33 years of age he bumps his shooting percentage up to 14%. If, IF all those thing happen, to get over 50 goals, he would need to take 360+ shots. I just don't see ALL of those things happening. Is it possible...MAYBE, but I don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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