Thorner Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Maybe for free agents, but a need to overpay for this guy? Comical. Ya we could have signed the same guy for 750k so that theory doesn’t check out here Quote
... Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Agreed 3., plus this is a type of player we need. Imho. I agree this guy looks like, on paper, the grit we need. Haven't seen him play and don't know how he was used by/thought of by the Cap's coaches. I mean we have no choice but to hope he works out but Adams conception of a "gritty player" has been way off the mark - see Greenway, Robinson. 2 Quote
Porous Five Hole Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 So we got the guy KA would have drafted 11th at 14, and got a bottom six NHLer for the move down. All I can assume is that no move clauses are murdering the Sabres right now. 1 Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 My colleagues now wondering who this Kevyn idiot is 😄 4 Quote
Thorner Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Just now, Porous Five Hole said: So we got the guy KA would have drafted 11th at 14, and got a bottom six NHLer for the move down. All I can assume is that no move clauses are murdering the Sabres right now. 75% of the league doesn’t have one. I don’t think Beck is the best of the 75% unfortunately 2 Quote
RochesterExpat Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 1 minute ago, Porous Five Hole said: 14, and got a bottom six NHLer for the move down. Yeah if we look at it that way, fine, we got a free bottom six guy. But that ignores the trade values and we act like the 2nd had zero value. 2 Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Just now, ... said: I agree this guy looks like, on paper, the grit we need. Haven't seen him play and don't know how he was used by/thought of by the Cap's coaches. I mean we have no choice but to hope he works out but Adams conception of a "gritty player" has been way off the mark - see Greenway, Robinson. No dissenting voice here. I think the D zone starts are worth it though. We still need more on the back 6, but I'm betting that top 6 issue is addressed in FA. Just a guess. Quote
Thorner Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Just now, RochesterExpat said: Yeah if we look at it that way, fine, we got a free bottom six guy. But that ignores the trade values and we act like the 2nd had zero value. Every deal we’ve seen is reasonable value. The point of the matter is that making reasonable value deals and selections has never been the issue with Adams: but, his focus on these types of moves being the priority, has Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Didn't know Jerry Forton was such a good pro scout. Nepotism hack. 1 1 1 Quote
Rasmus_ Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Adams only has an affinity for players like he was in the league, a hard working bottom six player. He gives up valuable assets for trash. 1 Quote
Buffalonill Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 My problem is how does this organization let that deal go through are they all morons? 2 2 Quote
Second Line Center Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 8 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said: This is the first time I'm going to say this ever, please stop Kevyn Adams from trading now. Just let him get fired without worsening our hockey team. This is where I’m at. My patience is gone. The seriousness of this situation - not being able to get guys to come here - he is in over his head. This is why missing the playoffs 2 years ago when we were right there was such a big deal. 3 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Oh my! A menace in the AHL! Wow so cool. ***** off. 2 Quote
GoPuckYourself Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 (edited) I don't know I'm actually starting to like this pickup as I read more about him, had 241 hits last season (tied for 12th), was on Washingtons shutdown line. Seems like the guy I was asking for, he's not a good offensive player but seems very hard to play against, energy guy, i'm starting to come around to it regardless of the 2nd round value. Edited June 29 by GoPuckYourself 2 1 Quote
Turbo44 Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 This board is ridiculous I honestly don’t know this guy, but. young, 26 grit plus big on the PK 2nd rounders have meaningful nhl careers about 25% of the time quit overreacting - we can overreact if he doesn’t acquire any top 6 players 4 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 7 minutes ago, ... said: Haven't we established in every single active thread on this board that we're going to have to over pay to bring an NHL roster player here? This is what that looks like. Even the non-glamorous moves are going to be that way. Yes. That is the common theme. Quote
DarthEbriate Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RochesterExpat said: And Utah gets Sergachev. And Marino. And for only a few picks. Remade their top 4. Edited June 29 by DarthEbriate 1 2 Quote
That Aud Smell Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 14 minutes ago, ... said: Haven't we established in every single active thread on this board that we're going to have to over pay to bring an NHL roster player here? This is what that looks like. Even the non-glamorous moves are going to be that way. This is such a good point. It feels a bit like there’s a camp of people saying “another 1st round forward prospect? where can he even fit?” and also a camp of “Adams overpaid.” Maybe those are different people? I don’t care a bit if this is an overpayment (within reason). Mangiapane was clearly not coming here. All I care about: Is this guy a useful NHLer? I sure hope so. 3 1 Quote
Trettioåtta Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said: And Marino. And for only a few picks. Remade their top 4. Urgh that Marino trade hurts Quote
RochesterExpat Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: 2nd rounders have meaningful nhl careers about 25% of the time That’s the average across the round and it isn’t linear. It drops off substantially after 46. Quote
Trettioåtta Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Just now, That Aud Smell said: This is such a good point. It feels a bit like there’s a camp of people saying “another 1st round forward prospect? where can he even fit?” and also a camp of “Adams overpaid.” Maybe those are different people? I don’t care a bit if this is an overpayment (within reason). Mangiapane was clearly not coming here. All I care about: Is this guy a useful NHLer? I sure hope so. If this dude is a legit shutdown, defence-first PKer. Then I don't care if we overpaid. My concern is that he is simply a gritty 4th liner that you can get for $1 million on 1 July for free every year. Hopefully I'm wrong. 1 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 Hahaha ahahaha what a own show this is. Meanwhile, a real hockey team does more with less. Hey Kevyn! Wake up. This is what good players cost Quote
Thorner Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 (edited) Again, it’s not a bad trade but making a lot of not bad trades isn’t working for Kevyn Adams to build a good team Edited June 29 by Thorny 2 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 29 Report Posted June 29 I will take the trade and not worry about value. We already saw Girgs, Rousek, Robinson, etc., in that role. I will give this guy a chance in hopes that Lindy/Apert sees something. Lindy said he wants a shut down line. Maybe this guy helps us get one. 2 Quote
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