Thorner Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Overpaying for guys you really want to target is okay. Far better than moneyballing some stupid stat or assuming all 4th liners are equivalent so choose the cheapest one. We just all have PTSD from Murray overpaying a decades worth of capital within a season for a whole bunch of duds and not a thought to cultural fit. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but they definitely moneyballed the “speed” attribute Quote
Thorner Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 (edited) They do seem to obsess over specific on-the-fringes, pidgeonholed data points rather than focusing on the broad picture - I imagine they feel they either can’t figure out a way to make sense of the whole, so dive deep, or feel their analytics present them with underutilized, “moneyball” avenues for improvement problem is the results have been less akin to Billy Beane, and more so Mr. Bean Edited July 15 by Thorny 1 2 Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 11 minutes ago, Thorny said: Not saying it’s right or wrong, but they definitely moneyballed the “speed” attribute I don't agree entirely. They found players with very good shot suppression metrics who are also fast. Think it's a combination. Quote
Thorner Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Just now, LGR4GM said: I don't agree entirely. They found players with very good shot suppression metrics who are also fast. Think it's a combination. Their reported interest in Ehlers leads to to believe they were targeting fast players, who also have good suppression metrics, sometimes Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 Oh I think speed is important to them but it's gotta be in combination with the other asset they want. I'm warning against simplifying it down to "they only want fast players" Quote
triumph_communes Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 16 minutes ago, Thorny said: Not saying it’s right or wrong, but they definitely moneyballed the “speed” attribute Targeting an attribute is a little different than moneyballing one. The latter is about finding guys for dirt cheap and paying them dirt cheap because the stat isn’t universally recognized. These weren’t all cheap Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Targeting an attribute is a little different than moneyballing one. The latter is about finding guys for dirt cheap and paying them dirt cheap because the stat isn’t universally recognized. These weren’t all cheap Money wise they are. The bottom 6 is worth what? 9 million or less? Quote
Thorner Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Targeting an attribute is a little different than moneyballing one. The latter is about finding guys for dirt cheap and paying them dirt cheap because the stat isn’t universally recognized. These weren’t all cheap Double edged sword. I’d venture a guess they are more likely to be right by doing so, but if they aren’t it’s a more disastrous miss. I’m not sure the distinction you draw is a meaningful one: the sabres aren’t getting anyone for dirt cheap, I agree with those saying there’s a buffalo tax on pretty much every addition. the moneyball distinction isn’t about paying players less than their true value, aka cheaply, it’s about utilizing players at an appropriate rate of pay that have a perceived *underutilized* skill set league wide Edited July 15 by Thorny Quote
dudacek Posted July 15 Report Posted July 15 And while Malenstyn and McLeod were cheap salary-wise, they weren't exactly that when it came to acquisition cost. The cap has really upped the awareness about the value of cheap contracts. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 17 Report Posted July 17 Not the exact same but I think the Sabres could use this as a reasonable cap on Malestyn's salary, at least +/- a little bit. Truthfully Malestyn should be below this number but I found it interesting. We could also compare Drury to McLeod if wanted to think about them as 3rd line centers. Anyways, regardless of the comparison, thought I would post it. 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 17 Report Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: We could also compare Drury to McLeod That's a better comparison. Quote
Happy Days Posted July 28 Report Posted July 28 4th line LW comparison 2022-2023 season. Malenstyn to Girgensons Age 26 to 30 Height weight 6’3 200 to 6’2 200 Games played 81 to 63 Minutes per game 14:14 to 11:50 Goals 6 to 8 Assists 15 to 6 Points 21 to 14 Points per games played .259 to .222 Shots 98 to 73 Hits 242 to 141 Blocked Shots 93 to 36 +/- -1 to -1 Power Play Points 0 to 0 Short Handed Points 1 to 0 Top Speed 23.63 to 22.88 Bursts Over 18 mph 786 to 503 Distance Average Per 60 (mi) and percentile 9.76 and 78 to 9.63 and 70 3 1 Quote
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