Brawndo Posted Saturday at 01:25 AM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:25 AM 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted Saturday at 01:25 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:25 AM 6 minutes ago, LTS said: 100%, but a player under contract with no protection has no choice. I just think Adams is looking for a fair trade and he's not going to get one. Every GM knows he has to win now and is going to try and make him overspend. I would. You don't win when you are dealing from the disadvantaged position. The Sabres are going to have to get in the playoffs before anyone takes them seriously. Until then, who knows.. but it's not getting any easier. Every GM is going to try to take advantage of the Sabres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted Saturday at 01:28 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:28 AM 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: So if we take an average of that, it is safe to say his draft ranking was well above 14th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 01:28 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:28 AM I will add that Helenius in comparison to Nygard is 7 months younger. Nygard is closer to Benson than Helenius so Helenius really has that growth potential. My concern is that Liiga is not a fast league, go watch it. Players can play fast but the speed in transition and the darting play that you see all over the NA game is just not really there because theres more ice and they just play a bit different. If Helenius adapts to the NA ice and can play with better pace, I think he could be pretty good. There's a bunch of NHL players that are really good 2nd line guys that aren't particularly flashy. We will see how he develops, I would focus on burst, handling, and let him continue to improve his shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM 7 minutes ago, Weave said: Both. Damn .... time for toast and coffee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM 7 minutes ago, matter2003 said: At some point, the Sabres will have too much talent to not make the playoffs regardless. I mean, the fact they have promoted so heavily already from recent drafts and still have the best prospect pipeline by a wide margin according to most is absurd. Yeah, 27-28. Only thing that separates now from then is 120 or so more losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM 24 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: H/t to my friend. Konstandya. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:29 AM Just now, matter2003 said: So if we take an average of that, it is safe to say his draft ranking was well above 14th. His consolidated ranking was 11 and the lowest I see him in that list is 15 and the highest is 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted Saturday at 01:31 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:31 AM (edited) 9 minutes ago, jad1 said: Yeah, 27-28. Only thing that separates now from then is 120 or so more losses. Considering they were a point away 2 years ago and coaching seemed like it was the biggest issue last year (along with Quinn being out far more than expected once he returned due to another fluke injury) I highly doubt it takes 3-4 more years. In fact I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen next year. 17 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: What in the world? Is this a new thing or am I just old as f*** She has gone viral because she is a hot woman with a dirty mind who is seemingly down for whatever behind closed doors and that will always be in high demand among men. Edited Saturday at 01:38 AM by matter2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted Saturday at 01:35 AM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:35 AM I would have happy with him at 11 OA. I would be happier if the pick they acquired is moved before 11am tomorrow 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 01:38 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:38 AM Helenius is closer to Benson than he is Östlund. If that helps anyone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted Saturday at 01:41 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:41 AM Just now, matter2003 said: Considering they were a point away 2 years ago and coaching seemed like it was the biggest issue last year (along with Quinn being out far more than expected once he returned due to another fluke injury) I highly doubt it takes 3 more years. In fact I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen next year. Maybe, but they were the youngest team in the league last season, and will probably be younger this season. The eight youngest teams in the league missed the playoffs last season. The goal of the Sabres is still development, not winning. And as good as Ruff is a coach, he still needed character guys like Peca, Drury, and Briere on the roster. The Sabres do not have players of that character on the roster. And when the team missed the playoffs by one point, they still finished 19th overall in the league. So they can wait for the current core of players to age up, or they can inject some experience, grit, and leadership into the lineup. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted Saturday at 01:44 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:44 AM 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Helenius is closer to Benson than he is Östlund. If that helps anyone. Hoping he someday plays with some Barkov in his game, being a Finn. Never know. I really wanted a trade and a new 2C in the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted Saturday at 01:44 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:44 AM 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Helenius is closer to Benson than he is Östlund. If that helps anyone. High floor, uncertain ceiling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted Saturday at 01:46 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:46 AM (edited) Good player, like the pick, but whatever. Just another prospect. Would rather have had Eiserman, but something turned teams off from Cole. We may regret not staying at 11 as Dickinson and Buium fell to 11 and 12 respectively. Edited Saturday at 01:47 AM by GASabresIUFAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted Saturday at 01:47 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:47 AM I'm no prospect guru but from what I read and saw on Youtube he appears to be both sound on offense and solid defensively. Am I wrong about that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted Saturday at 01:47 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:47 AM I like this kid. As many of us wanted a trade, there is some disappointment but this guy is projected as a 2-3C with an all round game. It doesn’t help us now but this guy is closer to the NHL than most picked before him. He has decent size and will be playing his second full season vs men. He also made the Finnish men’s team at the Worlds. He didn’t get much ice time but he was good enough to make it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted Saturday at 01:48 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:48 AM Hellanus could wind up being a really good pick in the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP51 Posted Saturday at 01:49 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:49 AM (edited) 35 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Okay, you keep saying this and no. Konsta Helenius is not a soft fluffy euro guy floating around the ice hoping his perm doesn't get ruffled. He engages physically the way you should and has good checking skills. He is not afraid of contact at all and also has a solid skill set. He just isn't sexy but man is he solid. 5'11" 189lbs at 18 is pretty solid. Cmon He did EXACTLY what I said he would... exactly... like clockwork... Edited Saturday at 01:52 AM by JP51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 01:50 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:50 AM 1 minute ago, jad1 said: High floor, uncertain ceiling? High floor yes. You don't put up some of the best ppg in Liiga for a 17yr old ever without being good. He was the 5th overall in Liiga history for a draft eligible skater. Ceiling wise is hard because unlike the SHL guys who I just don't worry about, Finnish league guys I don't wanna say I worry but how will they translate to the NA ice. Should be interesting and some guys get better on the smaller ice, dev camp is interesting now. Is he actually better than Östlund or Savoie or Kulich? 3 minutes ago, pi2000 said: Hellanus could wind up being a really good pick in the end. I agree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted Saturday at 01:53 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:53 AM 2 minutes ago, JP51 said: He did EXACTLY what I said he would... exactly... No he did not. You can't call every freaking player from Europe who isn't 6'4" 230lbs a soft figure skater. It just isn't true. 6 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said: I'm no prospect guru but from what I read and saw on Youtube he appears to be both sound on offense and solid defensively. Am I wrong about that? Very good 200ft player, "detailed" is the word often used. He knows where to be and when and he doesn't take zones off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted Saturday at 01:55 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:55 AM (edited) Hellanus This name alone should strike fear in to every opposing player in the league. Hide the baked beans!!! Edited Saturday at 01:55 AM by Scottysabres 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted Saturday at 01:57 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:57 AM 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: No he did not. You can't call every freaking player from Europe who isn't 6'4" 230lbs a soft figure skater. It just isn't true. Very good 200ft player, "detailed" is the word often used. He knows where to be and when and he doesn't take zones off. Sounds like a player with upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP51 Posted Saturday at 01:59 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:59 AM (edited) 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: No he did not. You can't call every freaking player from Europe who isn't 6'4" 230lbs a soft figure skater. It just isn't true. Very good 200ft player, "detailed" is the word often used. He knows where to be and when and he doesn't take zones off. Cmon man he is another European under 6 ft under 200lbs prospect in a 6'1 205 leauge that will never strike fear into the hearts of anyone in the corner... please just please... it's Adams motif and the motif of this team for 2 failing decades. Edited Saturday at 02:00 AM by JP51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted Saturday at 01:59 AM Report Share Posted Saturday at 01:59 AM Ok, decent pick I have no problems with it. Not a guy I expect to make a meaningful impact in the near future. Again, decent pick for all I know, not upset. Now lets move onto other roster improvements. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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