Thorny Posted Saturday at 05:07 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:07 PM 1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said: We won't ever know if the trading avenue would have worked because no one is willing to come to Buffalo We are the least desirable spot in the entire league Winnipeg struggled with and continues to struggle with the exact same issues or worse, they’ve made the playoffs *7 times* after returning in 2011, and us not at all. i live here, I read the papers, you can see the “desired destination lists” voted on by nhl players: winnipeg is LOWER than buffalo the difference, again, is the aptitude of the person pulling the strings 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Saturday at 05:16 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:16 PM 6 minutes ago, Thorny said: Winnipeg struggled with and continues to struggle with the exact same issues or worse, they’ve made the playoffs *7 times* after returning in 2011, and us not at all. i live here, I read the papers, you can see the “desired destination lists” voted on by nhl players: winnipeg is LOWER than buffalo the difference, again, is the aptitude of the person pulling the strings Sure but when you look at the jets roster who was brought in via trade? Besides the eichel type trade they got from the LAK? The biggest differentiator between the 2 clubs is coaching and goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted Saturday at 05:18 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:18 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Sure but when you look at the jets roster who was brought in via trade? Besides the eichel type trade they got from the LAK? The biggest differentiator between the 2 clubs is coaching and goaltending. The jets have traded their first around deadline day like 5 years running lol they’ve made a multitude of impact deals. It’s the combination of several good moves to build a cohesive whole, that’s my point your arguments don’t support the idea it can’t be done, they support the idea it takes a skilled maneuverer. No one is debating that Those 2 things you mentioned are *differences* not the main difference - and those two components also fall to the GM and, again, SEVEN TIMES take it all away and say even winnipeg has an easier time because…reasons the gap isn’t 7-0 severe - - - 99.9% of the arguments in defence of this regime fall apart on the basis of the goal being utterly low We are asking for almost nothing and still can’t get it Edited Saturday at 05:21 PM by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:23 PM (edited) 7 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Sure but when you look at the jets roster who was brought in via trade? Besides the eichel type trade they got from the LAK? The biggest differentiator between the 2 clubs is coaching and goaltending. And it doesn’t matter how they did it. Isn’t drafting open to Adams? The point is that they did it, with less goodwill player destination wise than buffalo. Chevy configured the tools at his disposal 7 times successfully I just want us to do it once The answer to that can’t be “patience” Edited Saturday at 05:24 PM by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM 4 minutes ago, Thorny said: The jets have traded their first around deadline day like 5 years running lol they’ve made a multitude of impact deals. It’s the combination of several good moves to build a cohesive whole, that’s my point your arguments don’t support the idea it can’t be done, they support the idea it takes a skilled maneuverer. No one is debating that Those 2 things you mentioned are *differences* not the main difference - and those two components also fall to the GM and, again, SEVEN TIMES take it all away and say even winnipeg has an easier time because…reasons the gap isn’t 7-0 severe - - - 99.9% of the arguments in defence of this regime fall apart on the basis of the goal being utterly low We are asking for almost nothing and still can’t get it The Jets are well coached team with great structure but we all saw them exposed vs a talented team like Colorado. I'll give you that the The GM did great to get rid of PLD and get some of their core pieces signed but what trade was he able to accomplish brining in a vet player for draft picks or prospects? hopefully Buffalo is in playoff contention next year and they too trade away their first round pick for a rental. I dare to dream honestly, we have to hope that coaching and goaltending lift the existing roster cause I don't see a trade happening and I doubt they accomplish much in the UFA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted Saturday at 05:31 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:31 PM 1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said: The Jets are well coached team with great structure but we all saw them exposed vs a talented team like Colorado. I'll give you that the The GM did great to get rid of PLD and get some of their core pieces signed but what trade was he able to accomplish brining in a vet player for draft picks or prospects? hopefully Buffalo is in playoff contention next year and they too trade away their first round pick for a rental. I dare to dream honestly, we have to hope that coaching and goaltending lift the existing roster cause I don't see a trade happening and I doubt they accomplish much in the UFA market. I doubt we are that far apart. Am I firing Adams right now? No. Are you firing him if we miss next season? If you are, I mean..we’re not far apart here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Saturday at 05:32 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:32 PM 6 minutes ago, Thorny said: And it doesn’t matter how they did it. Isn’t drafting open to Adams? The point is that they did it, with less goodwill player destination wise than buffalo. Chevy configured the tools at his disposal 7 times successfully I just want us to do it once The answer to that can’t be “patience” What the GM did was hire a real coach. Lucked into having a vezina level goalie and got rid of PLD. but I do agree he has done a better job than Adams hopefully Adams now has a real coach and Vezina level goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Saturday at 05:36 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:36 PM 1 minute ago, Thorny said: I doubt we are that far apart. Am I firing Adams right now? No. Are you firing him if we miss next season? If you are, I mean..we’re not far apart here 90% yes this is it for him I guess I'm believing he wants to make trades but no player is willing to come so he is handcuffed. Yes that's partly on him but not sure a new GM changes that aspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted Saturday at 05:37 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:37 PM Just now, Crusader1969 said: 90% yes this is it for him I guess I'm believing he wants to make trades but no player is willing to come so he is handcuffed. Yes that's partly on him but not sure a new GM changes that aspect If we agree on the deadline, we are barely disagreeing at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted Saturday at 05:47 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:47 PM 7 minutes ago, Thorny said: If we agree on the deadline, we are barely disagreeing at all 2 Canadians disagreeing? I'm sure we would just end up apologizing to each other anyways 🙂 im a pretty optimistic fan but seeing all these trades for players that could help and Sabres on the sidelines really sucks sorry if I came across argumentative. See I told you there would be a "sorry" in here somewhere. 🇨🇦 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted Saturday at 11:35 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:35 PM So the buyout was after the draft, right? I guess the "no's" win. Also swapping Jeff for Beck is currently a step in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted Sunday at 12:17 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:17 AM 41 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: So the buyout was after the draft, right? I guess the "no's" win. Also swapping Jeff for Beck is currently a step in the wrong direction. Sorry, but after reading that I couldn't resist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted Sunday at 01:21 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:21 PM Looks like the ayes had it! Not a very sweet victory yet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted Sunday at 03:14 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:14 PM 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: Looks like the ayes had it! Not a very sweet victory yet though. Major move as in... Trading the top pick, acquiring Malcovich or initiating the process with JS? That is very thin gruel. You might even need a consenting opinion from Judge Smell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted Sunday at 03:29 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:29 PM 14 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Major move as in... Trading the top pick, acquiring Malcovich or initiating the process with JS? That is very thin gruel. You might even need a consenting opinion from Judge Smell. As stipulated upthread, buying out Skinner constituted a major move. Don't hate the playa, hate the game (although in this case of course the playa created the game, sooooo...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted Sunday at 03:36 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:36 PM Actually the buyout came after the draft, so technically there was no major move during the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted Sunday at 03:52 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:52 PM 14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Actually the buyout came after the draft, so technically there was no major move during the draft. They traded down 3 spots in the first to acquire the 43rd pick. That's a major move. They traded said 43rd pick to address bottom 6 need, that's a major move. So.....technically, there wasn't "a" major move, there was 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted Sunday at 03:55 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:55 PM 2 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: They traded down 3 spots in the first to acquire the 43rd pick. That's a major move. They traded said 43rd pick to address bottom 6 need, that's a major move. So.....technically, there wasn't "a" major move, there was 2. Morgan stipulated a top six acquisition. Morgan... How come that's never been a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted Sunday at 03:57 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:57 PM I'm tellin ya this one is going to the High Court. Swamp, ink, probably Woody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted Sunday at 04:03 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:03 PM (edited) 7 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Morgan stipulated a top six acquisition. Morgan... How come that's never been a thing? 5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: I'm tellin ya this one is going to the High Court. Swamp, ink, probably Woody. Your Honors, if it pleases the court I would like submit the following evidence in to the court record.... Exhibit A: Prediction Time: Will the Sabres make a major move before the end of the draft? As is clearly shown, the parameters are broadly defined by the individual consumers of the title. The specifics of the thread title are left to interpretation of the reader. Edited Sunday at 04:04 PM by Scottysabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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