NHL trade & FA rumors (Sabres & Non-Sabres)

[thewookie1]

8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

 

joy.....

[SabreFinn]

18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The *****?

 

Yzerman starting to clear cap space for something

Weird. Think the Walman - Seider pair was their best. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, LETSTUCHINGO said:

Casey Mittelstadt signed back with CO for 3 yrs at 5.75 average annually. I feel like that is a great deal for CO!

If that was his number here in Buffalo Adams is an idiot.

If he wanted substantially more here and gave Colorado a reduced number then Adams made the right decision in moving him. 

Good number for Colorado though if he can stay at 2C and produce. 

[PerreaultForever]

23 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Though why get rid of Walman who supposedly wasn't terrible

Zadorov? Outbid NJ for Pesce? Stamkos coming for some of that cap space? Who knows, but Ullmark to Ottawa might have triggered Stevie Y to get more aggressive. 

[K-9]

19 hours ago, Night Train said:

Interesting but Linus no longer scares me. He stunk in the post season. 

He never concerned me, but the team surrounding him certainly did. 

[thewookie1]

41 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Zadorov? Outbid NJ for Pesce? Stamkos coming for some of that cap space? Who knows, but Ullmark to Ottawa might have triggered Stevie Y to get more aggressive. 

I can understand wanting to free up money but why not waive him and see if anyone picks him up before using a 2nd to move him.

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

If that was his number here in Buffalo Adams is an idiot.

If he wanted substantially more here and gave Colorado a reduced number then Adams made the right decision in moving him. 

Good number for Colorado though if he can stay at 2C and produce. 

Adams allegedly never had any extension conversations with Mitts.

[Buffalonill]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

The *****?

 

Yzerman starting to clear cap space for something

Yeah stamkos 

[dudacek]

What gets me is not that Yzerman is clearing space or that Walman was the guy he moved.

What I can't grasp is that they had to give up a 2nd to move him. He's an NHL player who can play on any team, and he's on contract that is hardly onerous.

There's a piece missing in this puzzle.

[tom webster]

16 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What gets me is not that Yzerman is clearing space or that Walman was the guy he moved.

What I can't grasp is that they had to give up a 2nd to move him. He's an NHL player who can play on any team, and he's on contract that is hardly onerous.

There's a piece missing in this puzzle.Yzerman has to be getting close to the end of the rope.

[Scottysabres]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

joy.....

Thanks wookie, a freshly made bourbon and coke through the nostrils always clears my sinus 🤣 

[ShadowOnTheDoor]

On 6/24/2024 at 5:26 PM, Brawndo said:

 

From another site, He wants to play for the Sabres but probably when all other options have been exhausted 

So does that qualify as guys "who want to be Sabres?"

[Flashsabre]

 

[Doohicksie]

4 hours ago, SabreFinn said:

Weird. Think the Walman - Seider pair was their best. 

XXXXX - Seider pair was their best.  (XXXXX = any other Red Wing Dman)

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

If that was his number here in Buffalo Adams is an idiot.

We'll never know, since according to Casey's camp Kevyn never approached him about a contract.

I've decided that's what annoys me about Adams:  He makes up his mind, adds it to his "plan" and then sticks to "the plan" without checking all the options.

[GASabresIUFAN]

The fourth period has us linked to Necas, Zegras, Gustavsson, and Gibson

The site has us the leader for Kakko and Laughton.  

Not sure why the interest in the goalies, unless they don’t want to pay UPL and want to give the crease to Levi and a vet like Gustavsson or Gibson. 

[thewookie1]

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

The fourth period has us linked to Necas, Zegras, Gustavsson, and Gibson

The site has us the leader for Kakko and Laughton.  

Not sure why the interest in the goalies, unless they don’t want to pay UPL and want to give the crease to Levi and a vet like Gustavsson or Gibson. 

4th period has been shooting in the dark for years. Gibson has been linked to us since 2020. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

2 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

4th period has been shooting in the dark for years. Gibson has been linked to us since 2020. 

In their defense we did try to a quire him before he told us to take a hike.  

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

 

We'll never know, since according to Casey's camp Kevyn never approached him about a contract.

I've decided that's what annoys me about Adams:  He makes up his mind, adds it to his "plan" and then sticks to "the plan" without checking all the options.

I’ve been thinking about this specific to Casey.  Mitts netted the Sabres a top four D, which Buffalo doesn’t have anywhere near their current pipeline.  But the Sabres do have potential top six forwards to play Casey’s role very soon. 
 

If we can agree that Tage, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, JJP are locked as top six forwards (let’s see what happens with Skinner—but the financial commitment remains either way), it’s a lot easier to elevate Quinn to the top six and not lose much…than it is to elevate Ryan Johnson to the top four. I think you lose a lot there & Byram is a huge upgrade over RyJo. But Mitts is not a huge upgrade over Quinn (assuming Quinn’s trajectory continues). Maybe this is a hot take? But not to me. 
 

Mitts being a near 6MM player is a luxury this team won’t be able to afford. To use him to acquire Byram was a good move. I understand this take may not be super popular, but I get what the Sabres are trying to do.  

[GoPuckYourself]

The 4th period? Might as well listen to half of the people on this board, it's about the same caliber of information as we have just sayin.

[PerreaultForever]

7 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

I can understand wanting to free up money but why not waive him and see if anyone picks him up before using a 2nd to move him.

I'd maybe assume Yzerman called every GM and offered him up for free first. They'd still have to pay him if they waived him and there were no takers. 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Adams allegedly never had any extension conversations with Mitts.

That seems super weird if true. I believe that as much as I believe he interviewed double digits worth of coaches. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I’ve been thinking about this specific to Casey.  Mitts netted the Sabres a top four D, which Buffalo doesn’t have anywhere near their current pipeline.  But the Sabres do have potential top six forwards to play Casey’s role very soon. 
 

If we can agree that Tage, Tuch, Skinner, Cozens, JJP are locked as top six forwards (let’s see what happens with Skinner—but the financial commitment remains either way), it’s a lot easier to elevate Quinn to the top six and not lose much…than it is to elevate Ryan Johnson to the top four. I think you lose a lot there & Byram is a huge upgrade over RyJo. But Mitts is not a huge upgrade over Quinn (assuming Quinn’s trajectory continues). Maybe this is a hot take? But not to me. 
 

Mitts being a near 6MM player is a luxury this team won’t be able to afford. To use him to acquire Byram was a good move. I understand this take may not be super popular, but I get what the Sabres are trying to do.  

Here is the issues with your analysis.  By moving on from Casey and probably Skinner, Adams has eliminated most of the talented depth at forward.  Assuming Skinner is gone, your scoring forwards are 2 centers (TNT & Cozens), and 4 wingers (Tuch, Quinn, JJP and Benson).  

The depth then is Krebs and Greenway who had a total of 14 goals between them last season. To say Adams has some work to do rebuilding our forward depth is an understatement.

To make matters worse Byram is a terrible defensive defender and his game is redundant to what Power and Dahlin do better. What role does he play here? 3rd PP QB? Had he traded Mitts for D with a skill set we needed like in zone defender who could kill penalties, play physical and compliment what Dahlin and Power do, then you might have something. However adding a n unproven redundant LHD doesn’t move the needle when you eliminate our center depth in the process.

 

[PerreaultForever]

16 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

The sens sure do love trading for players that are not locked up long term.   I think Linus sees this as a year where he can prove to the league he can play 60 games as 1A and get a long term 7 mill AAV deal somewhere else.

The sens worst case have a goalie they can trade at the deadline and get a good return.

Ullmark didn't let Boston trade him at the deadline. He adds even more teams to that list on July 1. Ottawa's worst case is Korpisalo puts up better numbers than Ullmark next year, and they gave up a gritty 4th liner and another draft pick for yet another guy who walks on them at the end of his contract. 

I think this move is their desperate attempt to appease Brady Tkachuk. 

[dudacek]

8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

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To make matters worse Byram is a terrible defensive defender and his game is redundant to what Power and Dahlin do better. What role does he play here? 3rd PP QB? Had he traded Mitts for D with a skill set we needed like in zone defender who could kill penalties, play physical and compliment what Dahlin and Power do, then you might have something. However adding a n unproven redundant LHD doesn’t move the needle when you eliminate our center depth in the process.

 

Your attempts to try to characterize Byram as some kind of Marc-Andre Gragnani are getting tedious.

He played nearly 22 minutes a night in the same lineup as Dahlin and Power and averaged 20 as a baby on a Stanley Cup contender featuring Cale Makar and Sam Girard. He led all Avalanche defencemen in even-strength ice time in the Stanley Cup finals. How, in any way shape or form, is a player capable of that redundant?

The implication he’s a one trick PP specialist is ridiculous. He’s never got significant PP time in his career. What he’s been used for is significant ES time. He was 34th in the entire NHL last year in ES points by a defenceman, and 8th in ES goals. He was also 81st in hits and 111 in blocked shots - solid second-pair numbers in each category.

The implication he’s a train wreck defensively is a function of a 15-game run at the end of this season as he adjusted to a different system, city and teammates while going through some form of family issue. For his career, his 5-on-5 Corsi is 51.1%.

Maybe the trade works out, maybe it doesn’t. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that Byram was the 1st defenceman taken in his draft class and excelled in the Stanley Cup finals. One-way players don’t do either. Or that he’s proven to be a good all-around NHL defenceman since then, despite injury setbacks. He’s an elite skater, with great hands and he competes. He is more talented than Mittelstadt and has accomplished more than Casey did at age 22.

Time will tell if that translates as a Sabre, or if it was worth the price paid, but let’s not diminish who he is already, never mind what he may become, or pretend there’s no possible way a player like him could help this team.

Edited June 26 by dudacek

[PerreaultForever]

54 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Your attempts to try to characterize Byram as some kind of Marc-Andre Gragnani are getting tedious.

He played nearly 22 minutes a night in the same lineup as Dahlin and Power and averaged 20 as a baby on a Stanely Cup contender featuring Cale Makar and Sam Girard. He led all Avalanche defencemen in even-strength ice time in the Stanley Cup finals. How, in any way shape or form, is a player capable of that redundant?

The implication he’s a one trick PP specialist is ridiculous. He’s never got significant PP time in his career. What he’s been used for is significant ES time. He was 34th in the entire NHL last year in ES points by a defenceman, and 8th in ES goals. He was also 81st in hits and 111 in blocked shots - solid second-pair numbers in each category.

The implication he’s a train wreck defensively is a function of 15-game run at the end of this season as he adjusted to a different system, city and teammates while going through some form of family issue. For his career, his 5-on-5 Corsi is 51.1%.

Maybe the trade works out, maybe it doesn’t. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that Byram was the 1st defenceman taken in his draft class and excelled in the Stanley Cup finals. One-way players don’t do either. Or that he’s proven to be a good all-around NHL defenceman since then, despite injury setbacks. He’s an elite skater, with great hands and he competes. He is more talented than Mittelstadt and has accomplished more than Casey did at age 22.

Time will tell if that translates as a Sabre, or if it was worth the price paid, but let’s not diminish who he is already, never mind what he may become, or pretend there’s no possible way a player like him could help this team.

Hold on hold on, what's this I hear about us having a system last year? This is the first I'm hearing of it.