JohninMinn. Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 (edited) As a victim of 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses I'm looking for some kindred spirits in the Panthers fanbase. Edited June 21 by JohninMinn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 I'd definitely like to see Edmonton force a Game 7. The NBA finals were a dud and there's not a lot of drama and excitement to mid-season baseball, so a game 7 would be the best sports viewing (for me) until the fall. Assuming a Game 7 happens, I'm torn as to who to root for. It would be amazing to see the Oilers complete the rare comeback from down 3-0 and maybe see Connor McDavid cement his legacy as one of the all-time greats. On the other hand, Edmonton has 5 Cups, so it's sometimes nice to see a team that doesn't have a championship get one. Also, they're never going to have a problem promoting hockey in Western Canada, but it's good for the game to promote it in areas where it's less popular, so Florida winning a Cup would really be a plus for hockey in that part of the country. It's already very popular in Tampa, and they have 3 Cups to go with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmoe Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Screw Florida. Always root for the real hockey market. 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 A game 7 would be great. As long as the Panthers win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Florida wins turns our 7th rd pick for KO into a 5th rd pick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 24 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Florida wins turns our 7th rd pick for KO into a 5th rd pick. And a whopping increase of <5% that the pick has a cup of coffee in the NHL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Just now, Weave said: And a whopping increase of <5% that the pick has a cup of coffee in the NHL. But it’s the difference in Komarov vs Lyckasen. I honest don’t care who wins, but I’d always prefer a better draft pick. I’d also prefer that Okposo and Erod win a Cup vs Evander Kane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Sorry but screw kane no respect for that guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ska-T Chitown Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Florida cup dramatically helps Barkov's HoF chances ... and future resale value of his rookie cards! 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Florida wins turns our 7th rd pick for KO into a 5th rd pick. If this is someone’s rooting interest…I mean damn lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohicksie Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 16 minutes ago, Thorny said: 2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Florida wins turns our 7th rd pick for KO into a 5th rd pick. If this is someone’s rooting interest…I mean damn lol It's the most tangible reason for a rooting interest in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Just now, Doohickie said: It's the most tangible reason for a rooting interest in this thread. This is the part of what PA was talking about that I get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Where do you rank McDavid all time If they win the cup? Top 5? To me, I still have Sid ahead due to the 3 cups, but I bet you I’d be in the minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Where do you rank McDavid all time If they win the cup? Top 5? To me, I still have Sid ahead due to the 3 cups, but I bet you I’d be in the minority In ranking all-time greats, IMHO longevity factors in (to a certain degree). Personally can't put him in front of Gretzky, Lemieux, nor Orr in any case and really have a hard time putting him ahead of Howe at this point. (Again, longevity counts for something.) Wouldn't put him ahead of Crosby at this point either (realize that's a big point of the debate); so even w/out including any goalies, wouldn't have him top 5 YET. Could see him being there when his career is in the rear view mirror, just not yet. My 2 cents. YMMV. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 And that doesn't include guys like Harvey, Richard, Shore, Morentz, etc. So, maybe not even top 10 just yet. But it's really hard to rank guys that weren't even within 50 years of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 3 minutes ago, Taro T said: And that doesn't include guys like Harvey, Richard, Shore, Morentz, etc. So, maybe not even top 10 just yet. But it's really hard to rank guys that weren't even within 50 years of each other. His sheer dominance over the others of his era gives him a bye right to the top 10 imo i think he’s the “best” to ever do it but yes, in terms of greatness I think he’s got a ways to go to catch the top guys but he’d be flirting with ~5-6 imo with a win here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 10 minutes ago, Thorny said: His sheer dominance over the others of his era gives him a bye right to the top 10 imo i think he’s the “best” to ever do it but yes, in terms of greatness I think he’s got a ways to go to catch the top guys but he’d be flirting with ~5-6 imo with a win here Harvey was the Bobby Orr until Orr came along. Won 6 of the 1st 8 Norris' and was runner up one of those 2 times. Richard scored 50 goals in 50 games. A record that wasn't to be broken in more games for over 20 years and in the same number of game for nearly 40 years. He was Lemieux to Howe's Gretzky in his era. There were guys that were dominant over others from their era; Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr didn't have a monopoly on it. Can see an argument for him being in the top 6 if the Eulers pull this out (heck, even if they don't) but personally don't see it being a slam dunk that that's his slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Taro T said: Harvey was the Bobby Orr until Orr came along. Won 6 of the 1st 8 Norris' and was runner up one of those 2 times. Richard scored 50 goals in 50 games. A record that wasn't to be broken in more games for over 20 years and in the same number of game for nearly 40 years. He was Lemieux to Howe's Gretzky in his era. There were guys that were dominant over others from their era; Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr didn't have a monopoly on it. Can see an argument for him being in the top 6 if the Eulers pull this out (heck, even if they don't) but personally don't see it being a slam dunk that that's his slot. With what like a 6 team league on an unfairly advantaged Habs team? McDavid is better than Harvey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Where do you rank McDavid all time If they win the cup? Top 5? To me, I still have Sid ahead due to the 3 cups, but I bet you I’d be in the minority Top 5 ? He's in the top 10 right now when his career is done likely top 5 Edited June 22 by Buffalonill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 We tanked for that guy… and have yet to make the playoffs. The league was never going to let him go to Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohicksie Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 5 hours ago, Thorny said: Where do you rank McDavid all time If they win the cup? Top 5? tbh I've never bothered to rate who I think the best are. It's kind of like a mock draft.... not anything I can get excited about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, Gatorman0519 said: We tanked for that guy… and have yet to make the playoffs. The league was never going to let him go to Buffalo. Yet the NHL gave the hawks Bedard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Buffalonill said: Yet the NHL gave the hawks Bedard Look, the NFL hates Buffalo. That's why we don't get calls and have a home game in London where the opponent habitually plays and is waiting a week ahead of us and acclimated. So, for sure, the NHL hates Buffalo. The refs like to give us the business, "No Goal" is the wound that never heals, and besides, if they didn't hate us, that would mean we're just ridiculous, miserable dopes, and we can't have that, can we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ska-T Chitown Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 I have mentioned this site before - it is not perfect, but it attempts to address the discussion between @Thorny and @Taro T: Right now, McDavid is 10th for forwards. Based on having a decent length career, he picks up another 50 points, throw in 21 more for awards, 10 or more for playoffs ... puts him at 436, right where he probably should end up - behind Gretzky and Lemieux and ahead of everyone else. (note that MANY top end forwards are penalized heavily for playing in bygone eras in the TIME column) I don't recall exactly if the numbers are balanced across positions, but Orr has 525, Bourque at 497, Roy 425, and Hasek 423. So, Looks like McDavid settles into 5th place unless he decides he wants to flirt with 200 points in a season on a regular basis. www.adjustedhockey.com - I hate doing math, but I love and appreciate when others can do it to provide some context to an otherwise existential debate. 🙂 The website gives a very detailed explanation of each column and their rationale behind it. As with anything subjective, you may not agree with all of their logic. Bonus emotion: It makes me very angry that Pitt has had 3 of the top 4 forwards of ALL TIME, with Malkin casually sliding in at 16 - like, eff them. Hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 I found myself rooting for Edmonton last night. I really like that they didn't quit on the series when down 3-0, and that they gave their fans a great, great show in their last home game of the season last night to force game 7. And that crowd was awesome. And Zach Hyman is the kind of guy the Sabres are dying for. BTW, the Oilers got off to a terrible start to the season, just like the Sabres -- but they didn't just write off the season like the Sabres did. They fired their coach, and look at them now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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